Which is the faster car around any track?

Depends on the track and the driver.

ok, what about same track leguna seca and same driver

^^in that case then TVR speed 12...

^^in that case then TVR speed 12...

why, please explain

if i am not wrong there r 3 tvr speed 12's
on is a cerbera looking one...the other god knoe s wat n the racing version of that.

the mclaren wud win coz the speed 12 is a wild beast.tuff to tame.

there is only one road version speed 12 it is dark red coloured, their is a white racing one, not sure about the other

I guess McLaren F1 cuz TVR speed 12 will be driven full throttle only for a miniscule percentage of the total time else it will spin and crash just like in Top Gear

1.
http://www.carnote.co.uk/pictures/TVR/TVR08.jpg

2.
http://eat-my-dust.tripod.com/tvr/img1.jpg

3.
http://www.damox.com/cars/thumbs/TVR/2000_tvr_cerbera_speed_12-3.jpg

If a bunch of test drivers tested both cars i reckon the F1 would be faster since it does its job a lot less edgy and more controlled but if u find someone with no nerves to test then maybe the Speed 12. It has more HP , less weight and more torque but the power delivery is probably much more jolty and harsh and older TVRs supposedly have a great tendency to oversteer greatly so i dunno.

second pic doesnt work.

on a english magazine called EVO one of the issues had a dark red speed 12 on the cover. here it is
https://secure.widearea.co.uk/dennissubs/backissue/images/DENN_EVO_EVO0079.jpg

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/2002/Silverstone-2002-06-03-027.jpg
http://www.velocelebri.com/speed121.jpg
that makes it four now....but i seriously doubt who can tme this beast....and this will surely spin out in the corkscrew.(laguna seca)

hang on thats 5, doh

i think final verdict..tvr will lose against the mc laren

Tvr would lose, remember that vid Ghalos posted showing it was a beast and it span out

If it was F1 LM it would be the Mc... Now i'm not sure...

The McLaren F1 would win on laguna Seca. It would go faster in corners because of the mid-engine, and the Speed Twelve's engine is simply worse than the F1's. Heck, The speed twelve engine is made of steel while the F1 engine is made of gold and aluminium.

on the average track the road going Speed Twelve would lose against the road going F1. The TVR is too powerfull and front engine-RWD doesnt help either. if the engine was sitting over the rear wheels you might have more traction, but because there's about 200lbs sitting over the wheels you're gonna spin if dust falls on the gas. there's little traction when accelerating in the speed 12 until you get to 3rd gear, based on the clips i've watched of it driving

If we are talking about street cars; the obvious choice is the car built by a multiple world championship car constructor vs. the car built by some small shop craftsmen-with-hammers that lucked into some new money.

Cubic money can buy technology; but it can't buy experience.

This is a no-brainer (yawn). Sue me.

Again depending pretty much on teh driver as well.
If I would have to drive both the TVR would be first because it looks better :p

I'm only slightly biased in this.

Hammers rule the world.

In all honesty, for everyone else the McLaren offers better handling and better application of force (traction) in comparison.

TVR just went out of business because nobody buys their crappily built cars.

McLaren's own Gordon Murray told Mercedes-Benz they were wrong, moved the engine in their own supercar 3 feet, and got away with it.
Then he said, "I'm out of here", and when he says he's planning on making a new city car, like a Smart Roadster, and beat every competitor out there, even in pricing it's tough to swallow, even for a huge manufacturer...And yet, with Gordon Murray, it seems kinda' doable.

McLaren F1.

They'll both twitch their rears day in and day out. In interest of fairness, production "runs" and direct competition, the F1LM is the one I'd compare it to, and yeah, that's like shooting fish in a barrel...


With a howitzer.

which has the higher top speed?

mc laren i guess.
i don't think the tvr was ever tested to max speed.

The TVR would be quicker if you could keep the rear planted

which has the higher top speed?

like that matters....

1.
http://www.carnote.co.uk/pictures/TVR/TVR08.jpg

2.
http://eat-my-dust.tripod.com/tvr/img1.jpg

3.
http://www.damox.com/cars/thumbs/TVR/2000_tvr_cerbera_speed_12-3.jpg

The 3rd pic is a TVR Cerbera Speed 12...not a speed 12...

yeah 2 diff cars..

ANYWHO...Depending on the skill of the driver..
if the cars are put to their limits without risk of mistakes..the speed 12 without a doubt..

but the speed 12 is a monster that takes ALOT of f'in talen to work.

sick, i didnt know image hosted by tripod was a speed 12 variant

sorry...it's this one..
http://www.4wdonline.com/TVR/PiCs37/1999spd12.jpg

Depends on the track and the driver.

He is right and I agree . IMO , the F1 should be better .

^^false(not being a *** or anything)

but thge Mclaren F1...is a fast car by almost ANY standards...

but the Speed 12 is a Race car..

the Speed 12 is rivaled by the Mclaren F1 GTR and Longtail....

The Cerbera Speed 12 and the F1 are the 2 models on the same playing feild...the "speed 12" is just a monster outside of a "normal"(for lack of a better word) F1's territory

Negotiator: why didn't you think (a tiny bit); then post this in "Comparisons" (nothing "motorsport" about it all!)? Then only magazine-flippers would have to read it in the first place.