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jjo
Jul 31, 2006, 12:28 PM
Taken at the 2006 SRT Nationals

special of the day "smoked neon w/ Tabasco sauce" ;)

http://gallery.srtforums.com/photopost/data/3164/DSC_3788B.jpg

Track look familiar Monk? :cool:

porsche944
Jul 31, 2006, 12:56 PM
Did you take that?

Nice pic.:cool:

BMW speed
Jul 31, 2006, 12:59 PM
look at all that smoke... really nice;)

jjo
Jul 31, 2006, 1:02 PM
These were taken by one of the US attendees of the SRT Nationals

more pixs:

http://www.haknslash.com/pictures/2006SRT_Nats/dragracing/7_21/allsrt8slineup.jpg

new age Hemi vs. Old school

http://www.haknslash.com/pictures/2006SRT_Nats/dragracing/7_21/cudaandmagnum.jpg

http://www.haknslash.com/pictures/2006SRT_Nats/dragracing/7_21/blacksrt8charger2.jpg

http://www.haknslash.com/pictures/2006SRT_Nats/dragracing/7_21/maroonmag.jpg

jjo
Jul 31, 2006, 6:50 PM
http://www.haknslash.com/pictures/2006SRT_Nats/random/blueviper.jpg


http://www.haknslash.com/pictures/2006SRT_Nats/random/dodgemotorsportviper.jpg


http://www.haknslash.com/pictures/2006SRT_Nats/random/hooterssrt4.jpg


http://www.haknslash.com/pictures/2006SRT_Nats/dragracing/7_21/vipertrucksdriversmoment.jpg

gman23rules
Jul 31, 2006, 7:24 PM
nice pic, love the one with the old vs. new hemi. those Vipers are sweet too, and i like that SRT-4, just in black...all black. i hope to go to the SRT nationals one day. hopefully i can buy an 05 black srt-4 when i get home and throw on an AGP GT3082R turbo kit with all the other goodies, and race it at the nationals when its done...well thats the general plan.

what about u jjo? plan on going one day?

monkeyfkker
Jul 31, 2006, 7:35 PM
That Cuda looks familiar! lol... That's pretty impressive considering the track he's on. The Division 5's were that weekend at Great Bend or I would've been at Heartland.

E-TEC 4
Jul 31, 2006, 7:40 PM
I had saw a Chrysler SRT-8 rollin' around today. You almost can't tell it's an SRT-8 unless you look real close at the front end and then in the back with the boot lip and the big exhaust tips as well as the SRT-8 badge

jjo
Aug 01, 2006, 12:57 PM
nice pic, love the one with the old vs. new hemi. those Vipers are sweet too, and i like that SRT-4, just in black...all black. i hope to go to the SRT nationals one day. hopefully i can buy an 05 black srt-4 when i get home and throw on an AGP GT3082R turbo kit with all the other goodies, and race it at the nationals when its done...well thats the general plan.

what about u jjo? plan on going one day?

Last year's SRT Nationals was held in Louisiana. This year was in
Topeka Kansas. Both times I decided not to put too much mileage on
my car (24 hr drive from Toronto). Like last year, a Canadian contingent
drove down to represent ! This is what they encountered on the way down to Kansas...

A little "southern hospitality" :rolleyes:

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/2041/copsip4pz7.th.jpg (http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=copsip4pz7.jpg)

there's no place like home, there's no place like home, etc. :D

p.s. the 3082 is more of a track turbo...for the street you should look into the 3071/3076, the GT35R or the 50 trim DBB, less turbo lag with almost the same powah ! But that's just me...

gman23rules
Aug 01, 2006, 2:54 PM
either one would be good actually. its all gonna depend on the amount of money i plan on spending. i plan on redoing the whole car, engine, suspension, transmission, brakes, wheels and tires, exterior, and interior, i got a whole list of mods i wanna do. but we'll see what the future brings. hahahaha

Heretic
Aug 01, 2006, 3:07 PM
I find it fitting that the old cuda is beating the new Hemi. Unless someone has done some mod work to that 70 cuda it is not a hemi, and I am not convinced that it is even an R/T. In 1970 hemi cudas came with a flat black hood decal, that covered most of the hood (contrary to popular belief the hood was not painted black), Hemi badges on the hood scoops, an R/T badge inn the grill, and a slightly different grill. I think this one is just someone's impressive toy.

Skyline07
Aug 01, 2006, 8:59 PM
I find it fitting that the old cuda is beating the new Hemi. Unless someone has done some mod work to that 70 cuda it is not a hemi, and I am not convinced that it is even an R/T. In 1970 hemi cudas came with a flat black hood decal, that covered most of the hood (contrary to popular belief the hood was not painted black), Hemi badges on the hood scoops, an R/T badge inn the grill, and a slightly different grill. I think this one is just someone's impressive toy.

Good call. I looked at the picture, and I thought it was fitting as well, that the old ones are superior to the new ones. But I had to read your post to realize that that wasn't a hemi. The only Hemi it came with was the 426, and didn't all of those come with the huge "hemi" writen above the rear tire and the shaker hood scoop?

jjo
Aug 01, 2006, 10:21 PM
But, but, I never said it (Cuda) was a Hemi...:emb: ;)

Anyways, more pixs...

http://gallery.srtforums.com/photopost/data/500/DSC_3548.JPG

http://gallery.srtforums.com/photopost/data/500/DSC_3567.JPG

http://gallery.srtforums.com/photopost/data/500/DSC_3564.JPG

Diesel349
Aug 01, 2006, 10:27 PM
That last viper looks amazing....

Venom 1000
Aug 01, 2006, 10:37 PM
the blue viper with white stripes, i believe that's the new one right?

jjo
Aug 02, 2006, 1:59 AM
Whoops !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/teamxballer/SRT%20NATS/PICT2079.jpg

here's some vids:

old charger: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/d3e95fa6-0dc9-42f1-857a-980e01493ed9.htm
Still squeezes out a 8.25@173.5mph after crossing the median

new charger: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/85a7e0db-81a1-439a-97f6-980f00dca412.htm

:cool:

Ravenous
Aug 02, 2006, 2:34 AM
Looks like a redneck circlewank to me.

(just kidding :p)


http://gallery.srtforums.com/photopost/data/500/DSC_3564.JPG

Love that pic.

porsche944
Aug 02, 2006, 8:38 PM
Whoops !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/teamxballer/SRT%20NATS/PICT2079.jpg

here's some vids:

old charger: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/d3e95fa6-0dc9-42f1-857a-980e01493ed9.htm
Still squeezes out a 8.25@173.5mph after crossing the median

new charger: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/85a7e0db-81a1-439a-97f6-980f00dca412.htm

:cool:



Why, oh why, did they make that charger FWD?

Venom 1000
Aug 02, 2006, 8:46 PM
Whoops !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/teamxballer/SRT%20NATS/PICT2079.jpg

here's some vids:

old charger: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/d3e95fa6-0dc9-42f1-857a-980e01493ed9.htm
Still squeezes out a 8.25@173.5mph after crossing the median

new charger: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/85a7e0db-81a1-439a-97f6-980f00dca412.htm

:cool:
hahaha poor viper....

monkeyfkker
Aug 02, 2006, 11:10 PM
I find it fitting that the old cuda is beating the new Hemi. Unless someone has done some mod work to that 70 cuda it is not a hemi, and I am not convinced that it is even an R/T. In 1970 hemi cudas came with a flat black hood decal, that covered most of the hood (contrary to popular belief the hood was not painted black), Hemi badges on the hood scoops, an R/T badge inn the grill, and a slightly different grill. I think this one is just someone's impressive toy.Yeah, you're right. It's not a Cuda anyway... I think it's a Baracuda (yes before anyone says anything, there's a difference). But I may be wrong...

porsche944
Aug 03, 2006, 1:19 PM
The new Barracuda, the product of the design team of Plymouth Chief Stylist Dick McAdam, was Chrysler's (http://www.allpar.com/model/cuda.html#) first application of the flowing-curves style introduced by General Motors in 1965, largely because Barracuda didn't have a sedan to compromise its sporty styling. The new Barracuda seemed purposely designed for the fastback style and, in a reversal of 1964, the hardtop and convertible seemed afterthoughts. With the three body styles, Barracuda matched Mustang, which had been marketing hardtops, fastbacks, and convertibles since 1965. However, Plymouth decided not to match Mustang's long-hood-short-deck dimensions that had been adopted by the new-for-1967 Cougar, Camaro and Firebird. Ironically, Plymouth had championed the long-hood/short-deck style on its 1960 Valiant and 1962 Plymouth, but it was quickly abandoned, only to be picked up by Ford's Mustang. When Barracuda finally adopted the accepted sporty car dimensions in 1970, its profile appeared similar to that of the 1967 Camaro while, in another irony, the new 1970 Camaro sported a fastback roof that seemed to be a direct copy from the 1967 Barracuda. Had the 1967 Barracuda had been designed in the long-hood, short-deck style, General Motors might never have introduced its 1970 Camaro/Firebird for fear of accusations of blatant plagiarism!
Thus, for all its new good looks, the Barracuda suddenly seemcd a bit out of style. A driver sat higher in a Barracuda than in its competitors, comfortably practical but not as sporty.
Restrictive exhaust manifolding (due to the tight engine bay space) helped keep the 383's horsepower down to 280, compared to its 325 hp counterpart in the bigger Plymouths. (The 325 hp version apparently did become available in the Barracuda later in the model year.) The big engine left room for neither air conditioning nor the power steering that would have been especially welcome in such a front-heavy car. And changing spark plugs on a hot engine was difficult. On the other hand, a relatively stock 1968 383 Barracuda ran the quarter in 14.20 @ 100+, using 3.23:1 gears and a 4-speed (Performance for the Chrysler Car Enthusiast, March 1992). Some reviewers prefered the sport Plymouth with the smaller V8, since it provided good enough acceleration with far better balance than the nose-heavy 383s would.
The 340 cubic inch engine (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/mopar340.html)used starting in 1968 provided the best of both worlds: relatively light weight with amazing speed. In 1968 the 340 engine was added to the option list. A 1969 road test clocked the 340 A-fish at 7.1 sec 0-60, and 14.93 @ 96.6 in the quarter.
The big news for 1968 A-bodies was the Super Stock 426 Hemi package, available in the Dart and Barracuda. This was a drag race only package, featuring a race-tuned Hemi and a seriously lightened body. Acid-dipped doors, lexan in place of glass, factory delete of anything not essential to life on the dragstrip (e.g. back seat, sound deadener, window cranks). Lightweight van seats on aluminum brackets were used in place of the factory bench. They had a little sticker which indicated that the car was not for use on public highways, but for "supervised acceleration trials" only. It ran the quarter in the mid 10's in '68. Today, these cars dominate the top NHRA Super Stock classes (SS/A and SS/AA), and have broken into the eights! (Mopar Muscle Apr/94, Mopar Action Dec/93, Mopar Action Apr/94, Chrysler Power Mar/94). Spaulding Dodge also produced some 440 Barracudas in 1968, but these weren't true factory packages, even if they did masquerade as a "dealer installed option."
1969 saw the first appearance of the 'Cuda designation for a performance Barracuda package. A limited number of 440 Darts and Barracudas were produced. Car Life tested the 'Cuda 440 at 0-60 in 5.6 sec, and 14.0 @ 103 in the quarter mile. They were disappointed. It seemed that they just couldn't get the car to hook up. It kept spinning the tires. (Car Life, June/69). Another period road test, reprinted in Musclecar magazine, backs up the 14-flat quarters, but they also tried it with ten-inch slicks, and ran low 12s. Modern street tires are better than those slicks ...
E-body Barracudas: moving to their own platform (by Kelly Doke-Journigan and Allpar)

Tom Murden wrote: In 1970, I had an AAR 'Cuda 340/6, and my friend had a 440/6 'Cuda. Mine had a 727, 3.55 rear, his, a 4 SPD, 3.91 rear. We were well matched - while he spun tires through 1st, 2nd, and part of 3rd gear, I'd be moving! A fender one way or the other was the difference in a quarter mile, both of us over 100 MPH! The only thing that could come close to us was a 1968 427/6 Corvette, and that got so squirrely the driver couldn't stay in it. We took a lot of money from that boy that summer!
The E-bodies were first started in about 1965. Carl Cameron refined the car for some time, and, by 1968, they were building 1970 prototypes. Finally, in the fall of 1969, the nearly identical 1970 Plymouth Barracuda and Dodge Challenger were introduced. Both were made in hardtop and convertible versions. The Plymouth version was two inches shorter in wheelbse than the Dodge.
The E-bodies had a huge range of powerplants - from the slant six engine to the 426 Street Hemi, with just about every other engine in between, and a choice of four-speed sticks and tough three-speed TorqueFlite automatics.
The 340 pushed out a rated 275 hp (gross) and 340 lb-ft of torque at a low 3,200 rpm; the 340 Six Pack (triple two-barrel Carter carburetors) provided the muscle of bigger engines with much lower weight, helping traction and cornering. The 383 was up to 335 gross horsepower standard, with three optional engines: the legendary Hemi (425 hp), the 440 Magnum (375 hp with a single four-barrel carb), and the Hemi-challenging 440 Six Pack, with three two-barrel carburetors (390 gross hp and a stunning 480 lb-ft of torque at a very low 2,300 rpm).
The ‘Cuda, with its 340 six-pack engine, seemed perfect for Trans Am racing, but the package didn't work as well as they had planned; traction remained an issue, and the AAR ‘Cudas, acid-dipped and generally weight-reduced, didn't remain in production long. (A small number were sold to the public, but worksmanship seems to have been unusually poor.) Tom Murden mentioned that the Plymouth 'Cuda was an inch too short for Can-Am, so the Challenger, being two inches longer, was raced three.
A heavy duty torqueflight 727 automatic transmission was standard on the 440s and Hemi engines, with a four-speed manual as an option; the TorqueFlite could outrun the manual, despite its Hurst pistol-grip shifter and bulletproof Dana 60 rear axle. A limited slip differential, which would be a coveted feature, was optional, but a heavy duty suspension was standard across the R/T line. Even the Hemi was given 15-inch 60-series tires, which today are reserved for economy cars and family sedans.
The dual-scoop hood pushed air into the engine bay, rather than forcing it into the engine; for that, you need the "shaker" hood, which was essentially an attachment to the air cleaner that protruded through the hood.
The highest-performance E-bodies limited to two years only, 1970 and 1971. In 1972 the horsepower ratings fell, and the various B engines disappeared.

From:

www.allpar.com (http://www.allpar.com)

EriK23z
Aug 03, 2006, 10:15 PM
Nice pics. The Viper looks pretty cool!

jjo
Aug 03, 2006, 11:14 PM
http://www.1320video.com/img/SRTNats06/DSC05043.sized.jpg

http://www.1320video.com/img/SRTNats06/DSC05037.sized.jpg

http://www.1320video.com/img/SRTNats06/DSC05019.sized.jpg


http://www.1320video.com/img/SRTNats06/DSC05027.sized.jpg


http://www.1320video.com/img/SRTNats06/DSC05006.sized.jpg

Diesel349
Aug 03, 2006, 11:18 PM
That viper looks hot from the back...so does the last viper...

SteveFX
Aug 03, 2006, 11:30 PM
The alledged "cuda" could have the correct hood for a '71 340. The shadows are too dark to tell the year from the grille. It would be quite a bit lighter than Daimler-Chrysler's fatass offering.

You do cut/paste good, nine-four-four. You could have just said:

The '66-'69 Barracuda was a sleek body on a Dart/Valiant A-body chassis. The factory sold a few '68 Darts & Barracudas w/HEMI's to the right people. Sox & Martin, Dick Landy, & others kicked GM/Ford butt. On the street; small fenderwells and small 5 X 4 wheel bolt pattern made them problematic beyond a certain level. There were factory street 440 Barracudas; one lived in my town.

The '70-'74 Challenger/Barracuda was called an E-body. It was a Belvedere/Coronet/Charger B-body with 1-1.5' chopped off the back. Taking 150-200 lbs. off the back end of an already nose-heavy 440/HEMI car was absolutely BRILLIANT!

porsche944
Aug 04, 2006, 12:19 PM
I wanted to give unadulterated info man, so I cut/pasted

VickSupra
Aug 04, 2006, 11:51 PM
I wanted to give unadulterated info man, so I cut/pasted
Practice adulteration next time............;)

Kellydoke
Sep 01, 2006, 3:46 AM
Hey guys, Thanks for mentioning my article Porsche944!:cool: Steve, as far as Ma Mopar engineering the E-body platform, they did hack off a small portion off the rear (if you look at the rear bumper guards on a Challenger, they meet a raised area in the rear valence panel--made to clear the spring shackles...Bill Brownlie and Carl Cameron had a hell of a time before they came up with that!), but the B-body platform was also sectioned in the middle as well (more so for the 'Cuda than the Challenger).
As far as removing wieght from the rear being a good thing, it was actually far from it. The Challengers (and all the musclecars back then) were plauged with less than perfect wieght distribution because of the big heavy powerplants up front. Those cars needed AS MUCH wieght as possible over and behind the rear axle to counter balance the wieght up front. I can't remember if it was an engineer or ChryCo top brass, but someone took an HD suspension mule big motor R/T home in the last quarter of 1969. He woke up the next morning to a light dusting of snow on the ground. The ride to work was less than impressive. The HD suspension, in all its engineering grandeur couldn't compensate for the nose-heavy Challenger's weight.

As far as the Go-Mango '70 Cuda goes...It does not look like it is a 'hemi' simply because the emblem is too long (the "hemi 'cuda" script is shorter than say, "440 Six Pack"). The only 'Cudas with blacked-out hood treatment were the AARs. Hemi Cudas had the dual-snorkel hood option, although the SHAKER was standard. The Hockey-Stick Stripe, again, an option to have it deleted. The huge billboard decal wasn't availible until 1971.
A quick way to tell the '70 cudas from the '72-'74 units (if the grille isn't clearly visible) are the side marker lights...The '70 'Cuda's lights are thin and long (and shared with the '70 Fury). The later units are rectangular, but shorter, squatter, and protrude out from the side of the car (meaning visibility when the car is viewed head- or tail- on. The later 'Cudas also had Skyline-esque round taillights (all four equal size).
No Hemi 'Cudas had R/T trim. Don't say your uncle had one, or you saw one...The 'Cuda is to the BARRACUDA what the Challenger R/T is to the Challenger. No Plymouth ever came with an availible R/T package! As far as a different grille, it depended on the amount of LSD the assembly line guy took before his shift. Generally the R-Code cars had a Dark Argent Grille with a red stripe bisecting the grille halves in 1970. The E body hemi cars had G60 (?) 15 polyglas tires, with unique front fenders (inner wheel well lip rolled in for tire clearance). Everything else had the 14" tires (AARs had 14" fronts and 15" rears). They would have a few suspension and unibody upgrades as well.
Kelly Doke

michael
Sep 01, 2006, 11:27 AM
dude, old thread.

porsche944
Sep 01, 2006, 9:34 PM
dude, old thread.

shut up, it doesn't matter if its a good post, if its just "omg skyline pwns!!!11!!11one!1" then its bad