Imagine opening a bank account and they tell you that you are 50 bucks overdrawn...

#9 Evernham Dodge driver Kasey Kahne and #17 Roush Ford driver (past champion) Matt Kenseth had their Sunday qual times dissallowed for illegal aerodynamic mods and will start at the back of the 2nd Gatorade 150 qual race Thursday. Both teams were fined a chickenfeed $50000; both crew chiefs were suspended for 4 races (just like the reigning champion JJ's crew chief was suspended for the 1st 4 races last year, LOL!); and the drivers and car owners were penalized 50 points..., BEFORE the first race!

#10 and #18 drivers Scott Riggs and Elliott Sadler and teams got half those penalties.

#55 premier Toyota driver Michael Waltrip had his car + an alternate intake manifold impounded and may not be allowed to start the Daytona 500 at all.

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30 years ago, the 3 fastest qualifiers for the Daytona 500 were put to the back for using nitrous oxide. NASCAR couldn't even find the juice on one of the cars; but said, "You're 2.5 mph faster than your fastest practice lap. Get rid of it/start in back." 2 of the cheaters gave 2 of the best ever racing quotes. SuperTex AJ Foyt Jr said, "There's a difference between cheating and ingenuity. Cheating is doing something w/no finesse." Darrell Waltrip ("Jaws") said, "There are 3 main rules in NASCAR. If you gotta smoke; smoke Winstons. If you gotta drink; drink Gatorade (his sponsor). If you gotta cheat; don't get caught."

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A sponsor putting up 20 mil wants a level playing field. Fans love/hate a bad boy. What to do?

Rules are rules I suppose, $50,000 sounds like a rather paltry fine to me though.

I am not sure how the points system works in NASCAR but I assume starting the seaon with -50 points is going to be costly to the drivers championship aspirations.

Holy smokes! I hadn't even heard about this yet. Thats some pretty tough penelties. I thought Micheal Walltrip's problem was somehow oil was getting into the manifold, because they replaced it and still had the same results. But I guess they found out something new.

To tell you the truth, Ive been working on a restrictor plate cheat of my own. I have some of the layouts done, but haven't dont any cutting yet. But I am going to maching a restrictor plate out of a piece of T6 aluminum plate. I think I will see if I can get it to fit the Rochester E4ME I have right now or a Quadrajet. I will then open up the holes beyond the size I had previously and see if there is any type of filler I could replace the removed materiel with. (Note: I will NOT be running this on a car, because I wouldn't want any epoxy injected into the cylinder bores or engine.)
My next step is to see what tempurature I could get the epoxy to melt at.
My hopes... the restrictor passes inspection, the race starts, 10 laps in the epoxy melts away and I then have signficanly larger size holes, therefore resulting in increased flow and power. I win the race. (yippee!)
Then... postrace inspection. (oops)
LOL oh well it's gonna be fun trying to get it to work.

Holy smokes! I hadn't even heard about this yet. Thats some pretty tough penelties. I thought Micheal Walltrip's problem was somehow oil was getting into the manifold, because they replaced it and still had the same results. But I guess they found out something new.

To tell you the truth, Ive been working on a restrictor plate cheat of my own. I have some of the layouts done, but haven't dont any cutting yet. But I am going to maching a restrictor plate out of a piece of T6 aluminum plate. I think I will see if I can get it to fit the Rochester E4ME I have right now or a Quadrajet. I will then open up the holes beyond the size I had previously and see if there is any type of filler I could replace the removed materiel with. (Note: I will NOT be running this on a car, because I wouldn't want any epoxy injected into the cylinder bores or engine.)
My next step is to see what tempurature I could get the epoxy to melt at.
My hopes... the restrictor passes inspection, the race starts, 10 laps in the epoxy melts away and I then have signficanly larger size holes, therefore resulting in increased flow and power. I win the race. (yippee!)
Then... postrace inspection. (oops)
LOL oh well it's gonna be fun trying to get it to work.



Yeah I was wondering how you were going to deal with that.


Also what if they see its epoxy ?

even if you paint it, it will have a different texture.

#10 and #18 drivers Scott Riggs and Elliott Sadler and teams got half those penalties.

#55 premier Toyota driver Michael Waltrip had his car + an alternate intake manifold impounded and may not be allowed to start the Daytona 500 at all.




Not to be picky, but Sadler drives the 19, small mistake, no big deal.

As for the penalties I am ok with the suspensions and fines, because like last year NASCAR needs to keep consistant penalties to all the competitors. Man I feel for Mikey I mean what does the guy have to do, introduces 3 brand new teams and he himself won't make it in. I hope he makes it.

50 points sounds like quite a deficit to me, and suspensions for the team and crew sounds pretty drastic.

But, cheating is cheating, and it's all not fair, but the fine is a little pathetic.

Turish GP organisers got fined US$5 MILLION for introducing someone wrongly on the podium presentations....someone cheats badly in NASCAR: $50,000 penalty?

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30 years ago, the 3 fastest qualifiers for the Daytona 500 were put to the back for using nitrous oxide. NASCAR couldn't even find the juice on one of the cars; but said, "You're 2.5 mph faster than your fastest practice lap. Get rid of it/start in back." 2 of the cheaters gave 2 of the best ever racing quotes.

I am too lazy to look it up, but wasn't the juice the officials could not find when then crew chief Smokey Yunik sealed up the roll cage, and filled that up with nitrous?

I couldn't tell you, Heretic. I read the story as a sidebar long ago.

Smokey Yunick topped one writer's list of NASCAR cheaters:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/3473888

#3 Gary Nelson left Bill Elliot/Junior Johnson(the real JJ) to become the first turncoat to work for NASCAR. At the time, diehard racer/funnyman Ken Shrader said, "When an ex-bank robber is guarding the bank; it makes for tough plowing."

#5 Robin Pemberton paid the most fines as crew chief before 2001. One of his gaffes cost Mark Martin 46 points. Martin lost the championship to Dale Sr. by 26 points. Robin Pemberton is the guy handing out the penalties this week...

It got worse. Michael Waltrip was docked 100 driver/owner points and crew chief($100,000 fine) and competition director were suspended indefinitely.

Waltrip appeared devastated by the news and considered withdrawing from the qual race. As a new Toyota team(3 cars), he did not have a guaranteed start. Alledgedly, Toyota and NASCAR CEO Helton advised him to go for it. He ran a teammate's backup car Thurs 2/15 in the 2nd 150 qual race and got a starting slot for the Daytona 500. Both of his Toyota teammates also made the field.

It got worser. 4 time champion #24 jeff gordon won (last lap) the 2nd qual race for the outside row 2 starting slot. His can was found to be 1 inch low (ONE INCH!)in postrace inspection; alledgedly due to a broken shock.
NO points penalty. NO fine. NO crew suspensions. gordon will start 42nd.

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/02/16/jgordon.duels.follow/index.html

waah!

IMO they all cheat. Just most of them don't often get caught.
I say remove all the restrictions.
Oh, and make the ovals 10 miles long!

They don't cheat, the are just working in the gray area of the rulebook.:D

They don't cheat, the are just working in the gray area of the rulebook.:D

Spoken like a crew chief. I have used that line myself

Someday I will post a thread about the cheats we used to use

They don't cheat, the are just working in the gray area of the rulebook.:D
Did you read Carroll Smith?
He said
"I differentiate between taking advantage of the loopholes in the regulations, stretching the grey areas and outright cheating".

He also said he would not start the cheating but if the officials could/would not stop it, he would "show them how it is done - and I learned from the best".
He said he could write a "Cheat To Win" in his series of books if he retired.:D

isn't cheating in any racing sport punished harshfully?

50 points sounds like quite a deficit to me, and suspensions for the team and crew sounds pretty drastic.

But, cheating is cheating, and it's all not fair, but the fine is a little pathetic.

Turish GP organisers got fined US$5 MILLION for introducing someone wrongly on the podium presentations....someone cheats badly in NASCAR: $50,000 penalty?

yeah, i know, the Turkish GP Organizers were fined too harshly and the NASCAR person was not fined harsh enough! its just weird, it should be the complete opposite...

isn't cheating in any racing sport punished harshfully?
depends on what you consider harsh.
And they can't punish what they can't find!

In 2005, BAR Honda were not fond to be breaking the rules as such, just taking an advantage over a grey area, and the FIA fined them loads of money and banned them for two races.

^ yeah that was true i remember it vaguly