I wouldhope they could make a U.S. rally maybe in the forrest of maine or something but the counttry I would love to see the WRC go to is Canada. The terrain and enviroment is georges and i think it would provide some slippy roads maybe even as a second snow rally :D but what do you think?

Come to Canada, sure. As long as it's near where I live :D

Come to Canada, sure. As long as it's near where I live :D
haha yea but I dont think they will ever come to the u.s. I want them to go to canda for a snow rally or back to kenya for the safari rally.

Come too the Netherlands. In the south there are some great roads for rallying :D And it's also very close to where i live :D

well they looked at the US after a request, and dismissed it saying something like "not enough fans" or something, so they added a rally Mexico which statistically had more fans per square mile or something like that :P and they are introducing a new snow rally in Norway soon, so there will be 2 snow events.
Kenya is unlikely to be put back in the near future, but it is back on the list of recommendations. Also China is trying to get the WRC back again, which sould be quite good.
I cant remember the others now :(

Those new snow rallies sound great, but I just wish the WRC would come to America. It makes perfect sense that they won't, I mean I dont know too many ppl that follow the WRC in my high school let alone the state of New Jersey. I guess we Americans just dont follow the rallies as religiously as other countries... :(

We follow rallying just not like all in one area I kno some kids who follow rallying in my high school but it spread far out but the rally in my area has alot of local followers. I kno we wont see safari stages anytime soon b/c of regulations but I really want them to bring back night stages (not counting the super specials). But Canada is the best place for another north american rally great scenery and tough rally roads could cause a problem for some rally drivers

I think Canada would be great but I really would like to see the Rally of Poland to become WRC event. The Rally of Poland is the second oldest rally in the world after the Rally of Monte Carlo. And it has some really good special stages. But that probably won't happen in the nearest future.

i find it very difficult to come WRC in the states
the philosophy in the states is fast cars whitch are not good for turns!!! GTO,corvet,viper...... thats why you have the best Drag shows...

Have you ever been in any of those cars or even seen them roadrace. The Corvette is one of the best track cars in the world. Honestly, I'm a little tired of hearing American cars can't turn. Just because they have more than 2 liters and more horsepower than most cars from other continents doesn't mean they don't have handling to go with it. And until your country starts to actually build cars then I suggest not bashing how other countries do it. Also, if you don't live here then don't say how we think or what our philosophies are.

But to get back on topic I think maybe a rally Nevada would cool. Racing through the sandy deserts. Or Arizona like in Death Valley.

But to get back on topic I think maybe a rally Nevada would cool. Racing through the sandy deserts. Or Arizona like in Death Valley.
Thank you, Captain America :wink: but I think a rally in Death Valley would get kinda boring, with the terrain not changing much. Not to mention, what are the roads like out there. I'm mean I dont really know if there are that many to begin with, besides interstate.

I'm pretty sure there are. I know MotorTrend has done many comparison tests with 4x4s, SUVs and pick-ups out there.

Yeah but for WRC you need gravel or something like that. Death Valley would be great for a Dakar type event though...

Have you ever been in any of those cars or even seen them roadrace. The Corvette is one of the best track cars in the world. Honestly, I'm a little tired of hearing American cars can't turn. Just because they have more than 2 liters and more horsepower than most cars from other continents doesn't mean they don't have handling to go with it. And until your country starts to actually build cars then I suggest not bashing how other countries do it. Also, if you don't live here then don't say how we think or what our philosophies are.

But to get back on topic I think maybe a rally Nevada would cool. Racing through the sandy deserts. Or Arizona like in Death Valley.
which is faster 206 WRC,focus RS or corvet (for turns)? come on maybe is good for tracks but not for europe and japan(evo, scooby) standard !!!

Dimitris, what you say is a bit weird, you say that you don't want the WRC to go to the USA because they don't build cars that can turn, but they don't build any cars in Greece... So then whey is the WRC still in Greece??

which is faster 206 WRC,focus RS or corvet (for turns)? come on maybe is good for tracks but not for europe and japan(evo, scooby) standard !!!
Let's examine some numbers: Roadholding
Your Beloved Ford Focus RS creates 0.94g of lateral force
The new Corvette Z51 makes 0.92g to the left and 0.97g to the right.
I'm currently looking for turning circles... but even if you average the two numbers for the Corvette you'll end up with a better number than the RS. I don't care if its 0.05g or 10g its still better and thats what you wanted to know.

ok lets draw a line here, for the Americans, your cars are the best and no-one will persuade you otherwise, for us Europeans who live in tight windy roads have developed cars to handle them, you would be surprised if you took a Corvette and a Focus RS along the road we took from Switzerland to Nice (S.France) then the Focus would get there much faster, because all you need is good handling quality and "niftyness" around the tight twisty roads.

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And back to Rallying, you say they test 4x4's in the Death Valley, well look at the Safari rally, average speed on alot of stages was just 20mph

Notice the cars were made specially for the event
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/584/3leg2_5mo.jpg

And some more pics :wink:
http://www.cars.ru/sport/pics/safari_2002_1.jpg
http://www.linear-photographs.com/safari/52.jpg
http://baudinf.free.fr/images/090safari%20rally.jpg

But the thing is a focus rs is built from the focus WRC I mean of course its gonna handle but the corvette is an all around car for the track, for the strip, and for the street its not just built for handling its built to hit these three these which are key in the ameriacn market but back to topic death valley would be to hard for the crews drivers fans and event organizers (think of how hot it gets) but i was thinking about maybe having a rally in the rockies of colorado like the colorado cog www.coloradocog.com or they should go to the maine forrest rally http://rally.subaru.com/rally/servlet/Gallery?page=1&raceId=5

Maybe something through those old roads in Louisiana that run through the swamps. Of course the mosquitoes would be very bad there.

ok lets draw a line here, for the Americans, your cars are the best and no-one will persuade you otherwise, for us Europeans who live in tight windy roads have developed cars to handle them, you would be surprised if you took a Corvette and a Focus RS along the road we took from Switzerland to Nice (S.France) then the Focus would get there much faster, because all you need is good handling quality and "niftyness" around the tight twisty roads. I'm not saying American cars the best, I know there's better but my point is that I'm sick of people saying American cars can't handle because they can and very well. I mean should I start going around saying European cars can't accelerate? It's the exact same thing.

ok lets draw a line here, for the Americans, your cars are the best and no-one will persuade you otherwise, for us Europeans who live in tight windy roads have developed cars to handle them, you would be surprised if you took a Corvette and a Focus RS along the road we took from Switzerland to Nice (S.France) then the Focus would get there much faster, because all you need is good handling quality and "niftyness" around the tight twisty roads.
I don't doubt you one bit and I am fairly biased toward American sportscars(see I said sportscar because I will admit when our products suck, like family sedans, compacts, SUVs etc). But I dont go around making over generalized statements like "Euro cars are good for turns, but are not good at all in a straight line!!!!" I know that this would offend some European members, as I was offended by the American comment.

Sorry if I stepped over the line at all. Now let's get back on topic.

Rally Nepal would be sick as would India but it wouldnt have the fan base. Oh, and on the whole american cars are more power baised than European cars which tend to stress smaller engines to larger extent therefore making them more prone to screw ups. Just my opion

ok lets draw a line here, for the Americans, your cars are the best and no-one will persuade you otherwise, for us Europeans who live in tight windy roads have developed cars to handle them, you would be surprised if you took a Corvette and a Focus RS along the road we took from Switzerland to Nice (S.France) then the Focus would get there much faster, because all you need is good handling quality and "niftyness" around the tight twisty roads. ((((((I'm not saying American cars the best)))))!!!!!,(((( I know there's better)))))!!!!!!!! but my point is that I'm sick of people saying American cars can't handle because they can and very well. I mean should I start going around saying European cars can't accelerate? It's the exact same thing.

i don't think that u.s people like WRC so much, the races won't be much crowded!!
European cars don't accelerate :lol: 1)ferrari 2)Lamborghini 3)McLaren and more!!!!
P.S RS is faster in turns than corvet!!!!!!!

Dimitris, what you say is a bit weird, you say that you don't want the WRC to go to the USA because they don't build cars that can turn, but they don't build any cars in Greece... So then whey is the WRC still in Greece??

we are a very small country and i am proud for all things we achieve we don't have heavy intestry because in times when germany and england pass the industrial revolution we had problems in our country!!!!!!!!! also our roads fits for WRC!!!!
plus if you watch a Greek race like WRC the people are so much how they stop the race because the people siting wrong spots

Guys I think you're getting awfully off-topic...... please stop...

please we are so off topic its not even funny its turn from What country should the WRC go to next into American cars vs. European Cars War Dimitris if you want to start a topic about what is better do it on Comparisons dont do it in a Racing topic about the WRC thank you! :evil:

please we are so off topic its not even funny its turn from What country should the WRC go to next into American cars vs. European Cars War Dimitris if you want to start a topic about what is better do it on Comparisons dont do it in a Racing topic about the WRC thank you! :evil:
you shouldn't tell that only to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they say that european cars don't accelerate
and i said no!!!!

Maybe the Ice-Pole? That would be raelly cool! Get it... Ok thats was'nt funny! :wink:

Maybe the Ice-Pole? That would be raelly cool! Get it... Ok thats was'nt funny! :wink:

Would be pretty cool though, but i think the people from Greenpeace won't be so happy with that....

Maybe the Ice-Pole? That would be raelly cool! Get it... Ok thats was'nt funny! :wink:

Would be pretty cool though, but i think the people from Greenpeace won't be so happy with that....
who cares about them, they have no law on their side, they just hate everything thats slightly fun.

i find it very difficult to come WRC in the states
the philosophy in the states is fast cars whitch are not good for turns!!! GTO,corvet,viper...... thats why you have the best Drag shows...
What did you think it was gonna do to the american ppl who favor American cars?I take it as an insult am I'm sure they would too thats why they replied back w/ that statement b/c the american cars can turn you shouldnt judge us on our philosphies of what we like and dont like unless you live here same goes for the americans who said that european cars cant accelerate. This is the last comment on this sub topic that got formed end of post!!!

EDIT by jimkk29: ok, PLEASE from now on don't reply to this "subtopic"... anyone. I will probably delete or edit replies to this to prevent a good thread from being locked.

i find it very difficult to come WRC in the states
the philosophy in the states is fast cars whitch are not good for turns!!! GTO,corvet,viper...... thats why you have the best Drag shows...
1) What did you think it was gonna do to the american ppl who favor American cars?2) I take it as an insult am I'm sure they would too thats why they replied back w/ that statement b/c the american cars can turn you shouldnt judge us on our philosphies of what we like and dont like unless you live here same goes for the americans who said that european cars cant accelerate. This is the last comment on this sub topic that got formed end of post!!!

3) EDIT by jimkk29: ok, PLEASE from now on don't reply to this "subtopic"... anyone. I will probably delete or edit replies to this to prevent a good thread from being locked.

1)i don't know nothing!!!!!(calm as long as GM is not yours who cares??)!!!! 2)t isn't an insult it is the true maybe drift but not turn (good) do you think that american cars sales will fall?? i don't think so...
i don't need to live there to understund your philosofy!

3) i don't care it isn't mine!!!

can we get this page deleted

can we get this page deleted

Indeed, please delete all the posts from the "subtopic"(as Jim calls it)

I just thought of another great place what about Iceland ? I mean my teachers say great scenery can anyone give me info on if rallyings popular there? I'm hearing from WRC rally Mag. (a rally show on speed channel) that the FIA is making a new scedule ( no new venues) and are planning to keep it that way for several years :cry: . (rumor though)

i find it very difficult to come WRC in the states
the philosophy in the states is fast cars whitch are not good for turns!!! GTO,corvet,viper...... thats why you have the best Drag shows...
1) What did you think it was gonna do to the american ppl who favor American cars?2) I take it as an insult am I'm sure they would too thats why they replied back w/ that statement b/c the american cars can turn you shouldnt judge us on our philosphies of what we like and dont like unless you live here same goes for the americans who said that european cars cant accelerate. This is the last comment on this sub topic that got formed end of post!!!

3) EDIT by jimkk29: ok, PLEASE from now on don't reply to this "subtopic"... anyone. I will probably delete or edit replies to this to prevent a good thread from being locked.

1)i don't know nothing!!!!!(calm as long as GM is not yours who cares??)!!!! 2)t isn't an insult it is the true maybe drift but not turn (good) do you think that american cars sales will fall?? i don't think so...
i don't need to live there to understund your philosofy!

3) i don't care it isn't mine!!!I have to say this and I don't really care if you ban me or not. I'm defending what I know to be true and to make a point. You completely missed my about saying Euro cars can't accelerate. My point was that is unfair to make a general statement like that. American handle great, most euro cars handle better than some American but that doesn't mean they don't handle good. Some Euro cars accellerate better than Americans but on a large scale American cars accelerate better, Viper, Corvette, Saleen, Mosler to name a few. You can't go around saying things like that and not expect to get a rebuttle.
My second point is that you no nothing of American life or our ways. Don't ever say you do unless you've lived here for a few years. I don't know much about Greek life and philosophies and I don't claim to. You don't no anything about our ways and don't try to act like you do. All you know is what read about and see on T.V. So stick with your own country's philosophies and don't bash some one else's when you know nothing about them.

As for where the WRC should go next?? Go to Nepal, that sounds absolutely incredible. And if it ever comes to the U.S. and it no doubt will, it'll just take alot longer. I mean, look at the JGTC, it's gonna be in the US in December!!!!
Also, Iceland would be sweet, I went there once, well, it was a stop off on a flight to the UK. But it was great, looked like Mars on the landing approach from the air! And btw:IcelandAir has the most AMAZING looking stewardess'.
And for the American versus Focus versus Europe versus whatever, everyone needs to just realize the Focus is damn good at what IT does, and the Corvette is damn good at what IT does. And the European cars are damn good at what they do.

SO PLEASE, just shut it up! If you wanna bash eachother do it elsewhere, not on SCF.
Or I'll slap you all silly...






With a fish... 8)

i find it very difficult to come WRC in the states
the philosophy in the states is fast cars whitch are not good for turns!!! GTO,corvet,viper...... thats why you have the best Drag shows...
1) What did you think it was gonna do to the american ppl who favor American cars?2) I take it as an insult am I'm sure they would too thats why they replied back w/ that statement b/c the american cars can turn you shouldnt judge us on our philosphies of what we like and dont like unless you live here same goes for the americans who said that european cars cant accelerate. This is the last comment on this sub topic that got formed end of post!!!

3) EDIT by jimkk29: ok, PLEASE from now on don't reply to this "subtopic"... anyone. I will probably delete or edit replies to this to prevent a good thread from being locked.

1)i don't know nothing!!!!!(calm as long as GM is not yours who cares??)!!!! 2)t isn't an insult it is the true maybe drift but not turn (good) do you think that american cars sales will fall?? i don't think so...
i don't need to live there to understund your philosofy!

3) i don't care it isn't mine!!!I have to say this and I don't really care if you ban me or not. I'm defending what I know to be true and to make a point. You completely missed my about saying Euro cars can't accelerate. My point was that is unfair to make a general statement like that. American handle great, most euro cars handle better than some American but that doesn't mean they don't handle good. Some Euro cars accellerate better than Americans but on a large scale American cars accelerate better, Viper, Corvette, Saleen, Mosler to name a few. You can't go around saying things like that and not expect to get a rebuttle.
My second point is that you no nothing of American life or our ways. Don't ever say you do unless you've lived here for a few years. I don't know much about Greek life and philosophies and I don't claim to. You don't no anything about our ways and don't try to act like you do. All you know is what read about and see on T.V. So stick with your own country's philosophies and don't bash some one else's when you know nothing about them.

ok! it's boring to continue!!!!! it's a dead end , you will say your ideas i will say mine.......
Πας μη Έλλην βάρβαρος.!

ill have to ask jim but are you any more intelligent/coherent in your own language

We all are, if I had to type in Spanish, god knows I'd sound like a stuttering 5 year old.

No offense to stutterer's. :P

baseclly i wanted to write it in sign but it didin't fit so...........
and i wrote ancient Greek.

Ok, so now that we all stopped with this debate, lets go on with the topic subject, please. :)

Ok, top three place WRC should go:
1-Nepal, that's just too cool of a place to not go.
2-The US, toooons of places in the Northeast, southwest, midwest, hell, you get my idea...It will get here, it might just take a little longer that's all. :D
3-Iceland, that's got pleeenty of places to race, only problem would be spectatorship, only half a million people live in Iceland, I think...But yes, alot would watch it so I guess it doesn't really matter.

All those places sound good to me Ghalos. I think another cool place to be would be Peru. Mountains, snow, all the ancient ruins. Or maybe a jungle rally would be cool.

My top five :
1.Canada or Alaska- great roads and lots of snow
2.U.S.A-Northeast or in the rockies
3.Safari rally(Kenya)- Brutal on cars and BRING IT BACK!!!!
4.Nepal- very nice place for a mountain rally
5.Iceland-all around cool place w/ hopefully some cool rally roads

I love the rally of Portugal. One of the best rally of the season

I love the rally of Portugal. One of the best rally of the season
Do you mean WRC or another rally b/c there is no rally Portugal on the WRC calendar

yea i would love for them to go to canada for sure...i know a lot of people would appreciate it here..

I love the rally of Portugal. One of the best rally of the season
Do you mean WRC or another rally b/c there is no rally Portugal on the WRC calendar
yes, not for 3 seasons now, Germany replaced Protugal in 2002

ok thanx SK37 for clearing that up BTW congrats to Solberg in winning the Sardina rally

congrats to Solberg in winning the Sardina rally

YAY :D
=D> \:D/ :smt023 :smt030 :smt041 :smt081 :smt029

:lol:

now all he has to do is win the next 3 rallies and Loeb must be stopped!! :lol:
maybe I will stop him in Spain to help Petter... maybe im not that stupid :roll: 8)