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bennyboy
Sep 07, 2007, 12:45 PM
After a long fortnight's break, F1 returns to one of the best circuits in the world, the legendary Monza track 15 miles north east of Milan.
This is one of the most successful F1 tracks in the world, with it only missing one race weekend since 1950 when the Italian GP was held at Imola.
With wide, flowing straights and fast corners and a few tight chicanes, a minimal drag set-up comes into play here with cars regularly breaking the 200mph barrier on track this weekend.
Hopefully the racing this weekend will get F1 fans in a better mood, and get the focus on the title battle on track and not the politcal issues that are going on off-track.
In previous years, this track has been totally dominated by Ferrari, who's superior straight line speed has given them the edge on this fast track.
This year though, things are a lot more open with McLaren seeming to have the edge on raw performance, and a lot more consistent runs throughout the season.
Will the McLaren drivers of Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso get the better of the Ferraris of Kimi Raikkonen and Felipe Massa, or will the Reds come back with a brilliant win which would make it two consecutive wins.
Ferrari desperately need a 1-2 here, and without that their title challenge will become even more difficult.
The leading Ferrari driver, Felipe Massa, is one point ahead of his team-mate in the standings on 69 points, and 15 ahead of championship leader Lewis Hamilton.
Here are the practice times:
P1, Ferrari dominate:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40544
P2, Alonso hits back:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40549
Hopefully it should be a great race weekend, and post away guys and girls!
PS, I'm adding a pole this race as it's incredibly close and I want to see the results, any problems let me know.
Nemphis
Sep 07, 2007, 1:37 PM
Well we all know Kimi led practice 1 today soo thats good news for Ferrari but with all the current press around McLaren I think they will feel it the pressure here especially has they are in Ferrari territory.
I see the race finishing like this:
Kimi
Massa
Kubica (I have a strange feeling that Kubica can do it !)
*#turbinas#*
Sep 07, 2007, 2:15 PM
Well we all know Kimi led practice 1 today soo thats good news for Ferrari but with all the current press around McLaren I think they will feel it the pressure here especially has they are in Ferrari territory.
I see the race finishing like this:
Kimi
Massa
Kubica (I have a strange feeling that Kubica can do it !)
You have great feelings mate :p. I want for BMW to have a good race. I would be glad if i saw the BMW's to the 5th or 6th place. MAybe to the 4th place if this is possible.
Beaver
Sep 08, 2007, 6:59 AM
May as well put this here,
Kimi escapes massive practice crash unharmed:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40565
Stan
Sep 08, 2007, 7:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyD84bdzNFk
video of the crash, Thankfully there was a huge tire wall there or he would have been much more worse
Beaver
Sep 08, 2007, 7:45 AM
OMG! It just snapped right, hope Ferrari find out what caused that and fix it before quali. It would have been much worse without that enourmous tyre wall there. Glad he's alright though.
Stan
Sep 08, 2007, 7:55 AM
it looks like a rear supension failure or loss of pressure in the tire
*#turbinas#*
Sep 08, 2007, 8:41 AM
I think it's a mechanical error. MAybe the suspension. Terrible crash and this happened in the straight. It's a pity for KImi. I'm going to see the action now.
Nemphis
Sep 08, 2007, 12:38 PM
First of all I would like to say congratulations to ITV for praising another British driver other than Hamilton, keep it up ITV and you might actually be broadcasting an F1 show not a Lewis Hamilton show !
I have to admit I'm not happy with Kimi fifth come on thats perfetic, disgusted in fact but hey I think McLaren have fueled light so that might be there downfall and hopefully Kimi can take out Heidfeld within the first lap and deal with Massa, Hamilton & Alonso and show them all how it is done :D.
*#turbinas#*
Sep 08, 2007, 12:54 PM
Hm. Kimi will not overpass Heidfeld so easy, i think. He must fight. But in starts the BMW F1 cars aren't so good. We will see tomorrow.
The qualifyings were good. I am pleased with Heidfeld and Kubica. They did well.
Mclaren's were great and so strong in Monza. They did a great job. Ferrari should try more.
Did you see the rear wings of the F1's. They have adjusted the wing's height in order to have a good top speed. Impressive rear wings. Really. The downforce now isn't so much and this has disadvantages in corners.
Also Kimi crashed due to his rear tire. The track had a small jump and the tire hadn't enough traction and the tire jumped.
Honda did a good race also. Benny you should be happy.
bennyboy
Sep 08, 2007, 4:23 PM
First of all I would like to say congratulations to ITV for praising another British driver other than Hamilton, keep it up ITV and you might actually be broadcasting an F1 show not a Lewis Hamilton show !
I have to admit I'm not happy with Kimi fifth come on thats perfetic, disgusted in fact but hey I think McLaren have fueled light so that might be there downfall and hopefully Kimi can take out Heidfeld within the first lap and deal with Massa, Hamilton & Alonso and show them all how it is done :D.
I generally jinx myself when it comes to predictions and stuff but I cannot see Kimi winning the race tomorrow. The black and white of the situation is that the McLarens are faster than the Ferraris over longer runs and shorter runs. Simple. The McLarens are around 2-4 tenths of a second faster than the Ferraris over a single lap, and there are around what, 60-70 laps tomorrow? That's gonna count for around 30 seconds slower race pace than the McLarens. Kimi might be lucky to get onto the podium tomorrow because as far as I am concerned, the top two positions on the podium have been locked out, but what McLaren drivers will occupy those positions I don't know, as of yet. Massa's basically fighting to stay in 3rd position, and if the Ferraris don't get a 1-2 tomorrow, which is looking highly, highly unlikely, the championship is over as far as I'm concerned. Their season has been a melee of mistakes from team and driver alike, and that's through their own fault, nobody elses. I reckon a 3rd for Kimi at best.
Honda did a good race also. Benny you should be happy.
I am extremeley happy. Button's qualifying pace was brilliant and I thought that Barrichello was astonishingly unlucky not to make it two Hondas into the top ten. I don't care that some of their troubles were masked by Monza, I have a feeling that this will be a good race for the Honda team and I really hope they can score some points this weekend because that would mean so much for next season, because they would get money for the points. Go Button and Barrichello and Honda!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyD84bdzNFk
video of the crash, Thankfully there was a huge tire wall there or he would have been much more worse
Bloody hell that was a big crash. Speared right and straight into the wall and into the barriers. I don't care what Ferrari says, that was not a driver error and someone who has never watched F1 could so obvious see that. Kimi's not going to turn right at a left-entered chicane is he? Ferrari have even bigger problems than I first anticipated...
And putting him into the T-Car put him at a disadvantage and his 5th place definitely showed that.
But, qualifying, on a whole was quite good, and there were some good battles there.
But whenever I see a driver get on pole, I say to myself ''I take my hat off to you'', whether it be Sutil, Trulli or Button, I'll always be happy for them, but Alonso? Not so much. What has happened over th last months just gives me no reason to respect him anymore. Sure, he's still one of the most talented drivers on the grid but his personality and attitude towards the sport aren't to be looked up to.
Hamilton's, by contrast, are. A great lap by him, but unfortunately for him I guess he didn't find as good as setup as Alonso did, but to be fair to him he only missed out on pole by a measly four hundredths of a second, and if Lewis had found some more time somwhere he would have been on pole, but I have a hunch that Lewis is, as ITV said, carrying a few more laps of fuel than Alonso, and hopefully he can get him at the start of leapfrog him going into the first round of pit stops as those two are probably two stopping, so he has two chances of winning the race from there. You can't win at Monza from the front but you can always lose it.
A little further down the grid, gotta give Honda a mention. brilliant qualifying for him, hopefully he can grab some points.
Session was fairly clean, aprt from Yamamoto smacking the barriers and and Sato and DC spinning, unfortunately for DC, his anti-stall didn't kick in so he couldn't get it started to get another lap in.
But, looking forward to the race tomorrow, should be a good one.
SpArKy
Sep 08, 2007, 5:03 PM
Well, work prevented me watching it again, but highlights are on tonight, so it's all good. It sounded like quite an exciting quali session.
However, my feelings towards alonso are similar to yours benny. I got home and looked straight on teletext, and when i saw Alonso on pole, my lips curled and my heart dropped. I just don't like him anymore. I mean, all racing drivers are in it for themselves, but he seems to have no spirirt for the sport, just his own personal gain. I don't like that in a racing driver.
However, I reckon the results tomorrow will be identical to the qualifying, unless we have a crash or something. As we all know, passing an F1 car is extremely hard, and Alonso more than likely won't make a silly mistake as he has in other grand prix. However the thought has just entered my head, if he does, he will somehow take out Lewis too, and they'll have a fight. Yeaaahhhhh. Tenner on Lewis, he's bigger than Hamilton and he's got big guns. :p
It should be one hell of a midfield race though. I mean, the Honda's might be able to push up, unlikely, but I ain't seen them yet, Coulthard, very near the back, who could be looking to push up through the field, the super aguri's and Toyota's scrapping it out, I'm rather looking forward to it.
Saying that, it could be one of those races where the most exciting things is the pit stops. Only time will tell. COME OOON LEEWWWWIIIIS !!!!!!
Nemphis
Sep 08, 2007, 5:59 PM
I have faith in Kimi & Ferrari !
We all know bad luck follows Kimi around and no doubt people will criticise Kimi for that crash and all the Kimi haters will love that.
Also guys why all the hate for Alonso ????
I hate him but lately (well since the Hungarian GP) I have started to respect him as a driver and I don't think he desereves all this hate that people have towards him since the Hungarian GP.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Sep 08, 2007, 6:44 PM
Wahey, Alonso really showed his skill today. Also, Jensen in 10th is good, how much fuel does he have though. Also...Rosberg did well, and quick Nick in his BMW =)
So much for the 'fast' Spykers...umm..yeah. What is wrong with Ralf, also!
bennyboy
Sep 09, 2007, 8:09 AM
What the hell? No ITV1 coverage? Where the hell is the race!
EDIT: This is fu*kin pathetic. ITV1 are showing live coverage of Wales' crappy game against Canada and then on ITV4 they're showing EXACTLY THE SAME PROGRAMME?! No sign of any F1 over four of their bloody channels. Only a measly one hour highlights show at a ridiculous hour tonight, compared to the brilliant three hours we get usually. This is pathetic. I'm complaining to ITV.
JoeProte83
Sep 09, 2007, 10:28 AM
Alonso won. Hamilton second and Kimi third...
GT King
Sep 09, 2007, 11:12 AM
2007 Italian GP results:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7811/untitledes6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Well unfortunately due to the rugby world cup going on, the race will be broadcasted here at 2am which is just ridiculous, so i'm going to have to miss it.:(
But i've been watching the race through live timing and i have to say, i'm a little disappointed. Massa retired in the early stages of the race which left Kimi to bring home the points, but he only came 3rd. Well it was a great result nonetheless but i expected a little more from him. As or the Mclarens, they did a great job with their 1-2 result.
Mclaren now have a 23 point lead over Ferrari in the Constructors Championship. If Ferrari at least want a chance of winning the Championship, they will have to give their all and do their absolute best in the next 4 races. I'm looking forward to the Belgian GP in a weeks time.
bennyboy
Sep 09, 2007, 12:14 PM
I have faith in Kimi & Ferrari !
We all know bad luck follows Kimi around and no doubt people will criticise Kimi for that crash and all the Kimi haters will love that.
Also guys why all the hate for Alonso ????
I hate him but lately (well since the Hungarian GP) I have started to respect him as a driver and I don't think he desereves all this hate that people have towards him since the Hungarian GP.
Ferrari keep claiming that Kimi went over a slight bump and the rear of the car went light, which unsettled it, causing him to crash. Strange, since nobody else's car has gone and done that, ever. Still, whether it was sometihng to do with the track, a driver error (highly unlikely, mostly impossible) or a mechanical failure, it put him on the back foot for the weekend, and I think 3rd place is a pretty damn good result for him considering.
Anyway, not the most eventful race today but quite a good one I reckon from Monza. Some great overtaking and some drama aswell.
After saying I don't feel anything for Alonso's success today, I have to take my hat off to him today, albeit not as much as I would another driver or something. From Practice 2 I knew he was the favourite to win this race, and that came out true. He was the best driver over the course of the weekend and he had the best car over the course of the weekend. He drove away from Hamilton in the early part of the race, and after he opened up a little bit of a gap there was no stopping him; the only way he was going to lose was if he got an engine failure or he crashed. He found the sweet spot today in Italy and he's now only three points behind Hamilton in the standings, and it's getting incredibly close. If Alonso has another day like this at Spa then there will only be two points deperating the two if Lewis comes second, but if Lewis finds the sweet spot on his setup of the car then it could all turn around, but one thing I know is is that it's incredibly close, but a deserved victory for Alonso I reckon.
As for Hamilton, I think he drove a great race today and bagged 8 points which will help his championship a lot. Just didn't have the pace of Alonso. Could have been much, much worse when Kimi took him at the pit stops but a really great move saw him get second place back again. Right down the inside of Kimi, bit of sideways action and bam he was through. Kimi should have been aware because he only jumped him by a few seconds in the pit stops, and Lewis will come back at him very strong. But, still a good race from Hamilton's point of view and 8 points will help his title challenge a great deal.
But Ferrari.....they will not win the world championship this season is this trend continues. I knew Kimi wouldn't win from 5th on the grid, and as I said 3rd place is the best he could do today. Ferrari just didn't have the pace today or the relaibility. It was tough to get both drivers in the hunt for the championship today, but now it's even tougher and I can't see them doing it to be honest. Kimi nearly got second, but he was outclassed by Hamilton in the end, and 3rd was the best he could get. For Massa though, well, his season has just been ridden with reliability issues. As soon as he entered the pits I knew something was wrong. Then, he coasted back into the garage and had to retire. Ferrari can have no complaints about this race though, their speed and their relaibility issues have been their own fault and McLaren have been the better team this season. This year was a great chance for Ferrari, Raikkonen and Massa to stamp their authority on a new era of F1 but it just hasn't happened and it's a good oppurtunity missed not only for today, but this year. They can get good results for all drivers for the remaining four races but in my opinion it's just really a lost cause because the damage has been done, and I think next season is their best hope for a title challenge, but it would be immoral to give up on this season, but I just can't see it happening for them this year to be honest.
Behind the top four though there was some stunning racing going on, particularly between Jenson Button and Nico Rosberg. Unfortunately Button had to cede his place to Rosberg about 20 laps in but he was driving really nicely and defended his position resiliently and only gave up when he knew he wasn't going to get it back. But still, I'm over the moon with Button getting a point, that's extra money for next season to go with their new car and it's a brilliant boost for Button aswell, I'm so happy. Barrichello was unlucky not to get into the points today but a 10th place finish is definitely an improvement and hopefully next year they can be up there challenging for wins and hopefully championships.
Webber missed out on the points by three seconds, finishing behind Button, and it wasn't a good weekend for RBR, with DC crashing out at the Parabolica at 170mph and going straight into the wall. No points for them unforatunately.
Williams did well as I said, with Rosberg finishing in the points but Wurz, yet another non points finish for him in 13th place. I know he has been a tester for a few years and knows some of the cars quite well, but he has been given the same equipment as Rosberg so he should be in the points this season I reckon.
Toyota, not a good weekend for them, 11th and 15th, just can't really seem to get the points in. Their qualifying pace is good but they just drop down the order as the race goes on, which will be disappointing for them because they were looking good (for Trulli, anyway) because he was in 9th, but Schumacher was down in 18th.
Renault, great result for Kovalainen, finishing in 7th, getting the better of Fisichella now, and he's been doing better than him for a long time now, finishing in the points in a good few races, and Fisi needs to pick up his game because Flavio should be deciding which drivers he wants in his team for next season.
Toro Rosso, Super Aguri, Spyker, fairly uneventful race for them, but Davidson battling with the Renault of Fisichella and keeping up with him which was a good sign for them.
All in all, a good win for Alonso which makes the title battle become even more interesting, and Spa should be a mega-race next weekend.
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Also, I managed to watch the race on terrestrial TV, ITV sent me an e-mail saying that they had decided to 'opt-out' of showing the race on Digital, so I had to watch the race with a fuzzy picture, but at least I got to see it.
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Race Report:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40598
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Sep 09, 2007, 12:30 PM
Wow, well that was a perfect race from Alonso.
Mr. Hamilton was a little bit cheeky at the beginning, and what he said in the press conference about it made me laugh, he was nowhere near Alonso! I feel a bit sorry for Kimi, but I will admit he was pretty much outraced. Lovely pass from Lewis. As for Jensen, he got a point :) YAY!!!
But, yeah, overall I thought it was a good race, I'm a bit worried about all these sabotage/fraud charges which seem to be on the horizon though...
Nemphis
Sep 09, 2007, 1:22 PM
I didn't get to watch all the race only the first 15 mins or so I had to go out and I went out just before Kimi had his pitstop.
Can I say what the hell happened to Kubica's first stop ???? Come on BMW your professionals get your act together lol !
I will watch the highlights tonight and make a proper post once I have seen the rest of the race.
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Sep 09, 2007, 1:23 PM
Yeah, the couldn't get the wheel on because the car kind of 'flopped' to one side, and then the jack wouldn't come off either.
*#turbinas#*
Sep 09, 2007, 4:42 PM
It was a great race but Ferrari had problems. Massa didn't finish the race due to problems. Kimi was slow. Very slow. Mclaren F1 cars are so fast. They have done magic. I can't explaint it.
Alonso did a great race without problems. He was comfortable and no one pushed him really hard. Only Hamilton at the beggining of the race pushed hard Alonso.
BMW F1 cars did a great job. Heidfeld drove very good without any mistakes. Kubica missed time in his pit stop. What a pity for him. Really. But he finished 5th. I'm pleased.
Also Rosberg did a nice race. But Kubica overpassed him :p.
Button took some points. Bennyboy, now you should be happy. He did a good race. C'mon Honda.
It was a great race but Ferrari had problems. Massa didn't finish the race due to problems. Kimi was slow. Very slow. Mclaren F1 cars are so fast. They have done magic. I can't explaint it.
Alonso did a great race without problems. He was comfortable and no one pushed him really hard. Only Hamilton at the beggining of the race pushed hard Alonso.
BMW F1 cars did a great job. Heidfeld drove very good without any mistakes. Kubica missed time in his pit stop. What a pity for him. Really. But he finished 5th. I'm pleased.
Also Rosberg did a nice race. But Kubica overpassed him :p.
Button took some points. Bennyboy, now you should be happy. He did a good race. C'mon Honda.
Kimi wasn't THAT slow. I thought it was blatantly obvious that he backed off in the 2nd half of the race after Hamilton passed to save the engine. What, 1-2 seconds slower than his normal race time?
lambo or holden
Sep 09, 2007, 6:56 PM
I am still to watch the race properly as I could not find somewhere to stand in view of a TV but I did get a nice little spot in between the 2 turns way up the top of the track. It was about 20-50 meters down from where DC crashed.
My only real comments are that Mclarens were visabily faster than the rest. Not so much you could see them going faster but every lap you could tell the gap was getting wider and wider. It was over 20 seconds difference between Alonso and Kimi towards the end. (I checked this with my high tech timing system of counting in my head)
Anyway, its 2 mins till tomorrow over here and I have been up since 5am.
mclaren_mercedes_f1
Sep 09, 2007, 6:58 PM
woohoo, total domination by mclaren this weekend. I guess that really shut the doors for the constructors championship this season!
clutch
Sep 09, 2007, 7:26 PM
Ahh, once again F1 has turned into the snore sport. McLaren will more than likely win the constructors championship, and if things go the right way, we will have a rookie champion.
Startling crash for Kimi during practice, but at least he salvaged a podium, although it really is pointless at this point. Too bad Alonso won, I don't really like him much. Shame for Massa and no points once again, its been that way most of the season, a win, then terribleness then a win again. Congrats to Button for another point and for Honda for having a mini turnaround which will hopefully go on for the final 4 races.
Didn't watch the race, and I am glad I didn't.
SteveFX
Sep 09, 2007, 9:35 PM
What the hell? No ITV1 coverage? Where the hell is the race!
bennyboy: the F1 threads tend to be quiet after Lewis fails to walk on water; as he has failed to do recently. Peeps who don't post can still vote on a poll. Polls count lots of ignorant/stupid people. Ditch yours, "smart guy."
Out late last night; I set an alarm clock (gentle ancient Casio) for the GP race. It woke me up to hear "GP live up next"... I fell asleep til noon during the commercial. Dammit!
I got to watch some early laps of the replay @ the EARL after Jupiter Watts (see music thread); and the last 10 laps at home.
bennyboy
Sep 10, 2007, 12:19 PM
It was a great race but Ferrari had problems. Massa didn't finish the race due to problems. Kimi was slow. Very slow. Mclaren F1 cars are so fast. They have done magic. I can't explaint it.
Alonso did a great race without problems. He was comfortable and no one pushed him really hard. Only Hamilton at the beggining of the race pushed hard Alonso.
BMW F1 cars did a great job. Heidfeld drove very good without any mistakes. Kubica missed time in his pit stop. What a pity for him. Really. But he finished 5th. I'm pleased.
Also Rosberg did a nice race. But Kubica overpassed him :p.
Button took some points. Bennyboy, now you should be happy. He did a good race. C'mon Honda.
As GT3 said, Kimi wasn't that slow, it's just that the McLarens are too fast this season. Too fast for anyone, really. Will be quite an upset if one of their drivers fails to win the driver's championship, and the constructors championship is practically set if things carry on like this.
And yes, I am very very happy that Button got a point. Hopefully they can go back to being competitive at Spa, because it has a lot of fast turns, and it is a fast track which suits the Hondas, so hopefully they can be fast there.
I am still to watch the race properly as I could not find somewhere to stand in view of a TV but I did get a nice little spot in between the 2 turns way up the top of the track. It was about 20-50 meters down from where DC crashed.
My only real comments are that Mclarens were visabily faster than the rest. Not so much you could see them going faster but every lap you could tell the gap was getting wider and wider. It was over 20 seconds difference between Alonso and Kimi towards the end. (I checked this with my high tech timing system of counting in my head)
Anyway, its 2 mins till tomorrow over here and I have been up since 5am.
Great you got to see the race in person, the sounds, smells and sighst must have been awesome. Nice one!
@Steve, I will get rid of the polls after this race because, as you said, a lot of ignorant people vote on them. What's it now, 30 votes for Ferrari and only five of them are members, a similar situation for the McLaren one aswell. It's a shame we haven't got more people posting and viewing, though.
lambo or holden
Sep 10, 2007, 1:11 PM
^The smells weren't that great. There were about 6 people around me smoking and somebody had started a fire.
Otheriwse it was great. No TV or sound system can give you an impression of how loud those things are. You don't just hear them but you can feel your ear drum vibrating. As well as the ground and parts of your clothing.
The speed is just amazing as well, if you don't move your head and eyes with the car it will just be a little blur on the edge of your vision.
Get your self down to the British GP next year. You'd love it.
sonicadg
Sep 11, 2007, 12:06 PM
I'm back, at last, explain why later.
For now, the italian Gp
ANGER, Massa, could've, would've and should've won that GP, or at least come 2nd.
In his second stint he would have been on a shorter one with soft tyres, giving him a speed advantage, and unlike Kimi, could of kept that Gap short enough to overtake, plus he wasn't in pain, so his laps would of been faster again.
Damn, i have to admit, the result of this year has just came down to politics.
But yeah Button, that was great between him and Rosberg, also Rosberg jumping Kovy, nevered noticed that till later, but a great race. Williams have showed some real promise, now they need rid of wurz, in exchange for a driver who can consistently score points.
bennyboy
Sep 11, 2007, 12:27 PM
^The smells weren't that great. There were about 6 people around me smoking and somebody had started a fire.
Otheriwse it was great. No TV or sound system can give you an impression of how loud those things are. You don't just hear them but you can feel your ear drum vibrating. As well as the ground and parts of your clothing.
The speed is just amazing as well, if you don't move your head and eyes with the car it will just be a little blur on the edge of your vision.
Get your self down to the British GP next year. You'd love it.
Shame about the smokers, they ruin everything. But yeah I'd love to get down to the British GP, the sound would probably make me crap my pants! Lol..
Unfortunately, Northamptonshire (place where Silverstone is) is ages away from where I live, and it would have to be a weekend trip down there, plus I have school, etc etc so it's all a bit complicated, but I'll get my nagging cap on.
I'm back, at last, explain why later.
For now, the italian Gp
ANGER, Massa, could've, would've and should've won that GP, or at least come 2nd.
In his second stint he would have been on a shorter one with soft tyres, giving him a speed advantage, and unlike Kimi, could of kept that Gap short enough to overtake, plus he wasn't in pain, so his laps would of been faster again.
Damn, i have to admit, the result of this year has just came down to politics.
But yeah Button, that was great between him and Rosberg, also Rosberg jumping Kovy, nevered noticed that till later, but a great race. Williams have showed some real promise, now they need rid of wurz, in exchange for a driver who can consistently score points.
Yeah, where you been?! Explain boy! Lol.
sonicadg
Sep 11, 2007, 12:32 PM
^^well heres the story again
Internet providers. just a tip off, if you want an internet provider, don't deal with these people. "Talk Talk"
http://www.talktalk.co.uk/talktalk/s...gben-home-Home
First of we registered with them, cause they had a nice deal, then swapped our connection to there whatever, but didn't give us our account name, or any details for that matter. The stuppidty.
Then we changed bank accounts, and told talk talk that we had changed so our payments are coming from there, but no, they were stupid again, forgot to do it, thought we hadn't paid up, so they cutt of our internet.
So when we tried to get access, it told us to contact this number, and it would be back within 48 hours, 2 weeks later and its still not. For the last two weeks we have had to phone there asses to keep yelling at them, and every single phone call they said, "it'll be back on tommorrow". Unbelievable, so then we ask to talk to the superviser and they said "no". We had to actual threaten them till we got through.
So basically we changed provider on Monday, then they said fine, it should be up by friday, and it was done overnight. Thats service, talk talk need a giant pole up a certain area.
So some friendly advice, avoid talk talk
I had to watch F1 without live timing, which is very confusing.
Also, bennyboy, i found a channel that show the live Gp2 race, watched it and its brilliant. Eurosport 2 show it, just after F1 quali. I think its channel 411 on Sky
bennyboy
Sep 11, 2007, 12:34 PM
Yeah, just read about the Internet, I shall take that advice and never go with TalkTalk!
And shame on me, I only have Digital TV, so no Eurosport or Sky for me. Still, I can watch the race on ITV4 (providing there's no Rugby coverage on!)
lambo or holden
Sep 11, 2007, 1:09 PM
Shame about the smokers, they ruin everything. But yeah I'd love to get down to the British GP, the sound would probably make me crap my pants! Lol..
Unfortunately, Northamptonshire (place where Silverstone is) is ages away from where I live, and it would have to be a weekend trip down there, plus I have school, etc etc so it's all a bit complicated, but I'll get my nagging cap on.
It can't be that far, I mean Britain isn't that big :p
Anyways all up I spent 8 hours on the train. And went to school the next day.
Or you could always see if your family want a holiday to western Germany in late July next year.
astonmartin138
Sep 11, 2007, 1:52 PM
I'd never touch Talk Talk anyway. Their adverts are bogus and free internet? Gimme a break...
bennyboy
Sep 12, 2007, 12:22 PM
It can't be that far, I mean Britain isn't that big :p
Anyways all up I spent 8 hours on the train. And went to school the next day.
Or you could always see if your family want a holiday to western Germany in late July next year.
It's tiny compared to other countries, but my sister has the most important examinations in her life coming up right when the GP is and coming from a single-parent family makes it even more difficult. Still, I'd love to go!
lambo or holden
Sep 12, 2007, 2:38 PM
^Ah well, thats a pity. I guess edumacation is a little bit more important than sport.
I'm sure you'll make it to one eventually.
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