I've read alot about people talking about Lewis Hamilton, and either saying hes the best thing since sliced bread or that he shouldn't be in F1 because he's always complaining. Just wondering, what do you all actually think of Lewis Hamilton... Honestly?

I hate Lewis only because he does not drive for Ferrari.

But he is a good driver very talented, yes he complains way to much, but he is new to the whole F1 saga, so its understandable, Senna was a whining ***** too.

But his championship has been based on great luck as well, without Alonso Mclaren would not be the car it is, and without all the setup info from Alonso , Hamilton would have not done as good as he did.

Still annoys me to think that he is going to win the constructed championship and both of Ferrari's drives will not. Man I hate Hamilton for that and will probably do ever after... call me superficial or just a Ferrari nut its all the same.

I hate Lewis only because he does not drive for Ferrari.

But he is a good driver very talented, yes he complains way to much, but he is new to the whole F1 saga, so its understandable, Senna was a whining ***** too.

But his championship has been based on great luck as well, without Alonso Mclaren would not be the car it is, and without all the setup info from Alonso , Hamilton would have not done as good as he did.

Still annoys me to think that he is going to win the constructed championship and both of Ferrari's drives will not. Man I hate Hamilton for that and will probably do ever after... call me superficial or just a Ferrari nut its all the same.


I dont think the set-up stuff is thanks to Alonso though, Mclaren has alot of talented engineers and some of them do wonders. You have to remeber that these people get paid alot and know more about set-up than everyone on this forum, but Alonso has helped Hamilton and I think Lewis should be grateful to him to some extent.

I like Hamilton, I think he's godd for the sport and he's always very polite and nice to people from what you see on TV. He is R. Dennis baby though, so he gets all the attention he needs, which must be difficult for Alonso, so in some respects Hamilton annoys me. I can just see him stamping his feet at Ron if he dosn't get his own way.

^^^ you can have the crack team of engineers to set up a car for you but at the end, only the person actually driving the car will improve the setup. Setup is based on theory, and then the driver fine tunes this. So I still believe that alonso's setup helped him a lot.

And yeah Alonso also complains to much with his 2 inch thick eyebrows but he is Spanish what else do you expect from him. All the Spanish always complain. And then some how they managed to conquer all of south and most of central America, go figure.

Best thing since sliced bread! :D

Imo, he is like a phemomenon, no one in the history of the sport has someone come in and done what hes done. He has broken about 6 records so far, if he wins the championship he will get 3 more. Youngest ever world champion, first rookie to ever win the championship, and most wins in first season (he is currently first anyway, tied at 4 with i think Jim Clarke). He has also become the first driver to get over 100 points in only 15 GP starts.

But enough of records, his driving talks for itself, he has beaten his double world champion on numerous occasions in an identical car. He has drove several, literally flawless races, when Alonso has been off the road, spun etc. He is so calm, so focused, he doesnt let what everyone else is doing effect himself. When he is put under massive pressure, he delivers, like in Fuji last week, he knew he only had one chance to set a lap, he had been off the pace all day, but he came out of the pits and gave it 110% and pulled out a pole winning lap. That is something we used to see Alonso doing last season where he'd wait until the dying minutes of qualifying and put it all out and deliver. But Alonso was an experienced driver, with a world championship, Lewis is a rookie. People seem to forget that when they talk about him, this is his first season, its simply unpresidented that a rookie can perform so well in their first season. Even Senna, on his debeut season didnt do this well, granted Senna probably didnt have the same chance that Hamilton does with how competitive a car the McLaren is this year, but everyone praised Senna for nearly winning a race in his first season. Hamilton has won 4! And is on the verge of winning the world championship. He is an amazing overtaker aswell, in Australia, no one really knew what to expect from Hamilton. The lights went out and he was behind Heidfeld in 5th place. Into the first corner he darted out passing Nick and by taking a different line got past Alonso. It was like he had been in F1 for years. I for one was stunned by how bold he was, he didnt think about Alonso, he just saw an opportunity and went for it. He did it again and again, time after time, putting amazing passes past seasoned drivers.

He is a stunning driver, a brilliant racer and I hope he wins this championship, he does deserve it, no matter what anyone else may say.

HAMILTON FTW!!!

Hamilton is a phenomenon,he deserve to win the championship.It will be (I hope)the first time that a driver win the championship during his first rookie year in F1.Alonso is always crying and complaining:JEALOUSY.I hope he goes to RENAULT next season,he doesn't deserve a seat at Mc laren.

I think it is interesting how Hamilton is becoming more and more vocal as the season goes on. At first, he was the crowd-pleaser, he didn't get on anyone's nerves and always performed. Now, he seems to be getting flack from a bunch of people, drivers and fans alike, and retaliating.

I personally don't like him at all, but he is a very talented driver. I need to see him put in a sensational drive, such as coming from the way back of the pack, winning on a 3 stop strategy, dicing it up with some of the other racers (side-by-side), etc. before I am a fan. To me, he just puts in a good qualifying lap, starts near the front, and stays there - nothing spectacular, just calm driving.

I think what bothers me about him is that he is the prodigal son of McLaren. Brought up with their sponsorship, constantly in their eyes, and literally handed the seat to McLaren on a silver platter. I've seen a lot of talented drivers have to go through the Minardi - Sauber - Toyota - Renault/Ferrari/McLaren/Williams route and I wonder if people like Vettel, Kubica, Button, Massa, or someone else would have had the same successes if they were given a seat to a top team as soon as they entered the sport.

I do think he complains a lot, but so does every other driver. It must be in their nature to nitpick at every caution flag, driver, penalty, and driving tactic used in a race.

But, he has driven the most consistently this year, and consistency wins championships, plain and simple. I am looking forward to 2008 though, with Ferrari having another year to improve, along with Renault and BMW/Sauber, we could see a really good fight for points.

I like Hamilton, i wasn't really into F1. But now i tend to watch it more just too see him race. He is a Brilliant driver with a no fear basis, he has not had a big smash so he thinks he is invincible and goes for it. I hope he wins the championship this year, just to prove that rookies can do just as good as the ex-world champs. As for complaining who cares? i watch him to race, not to get gossip on what he has been complaining about to Mclaren and the media. So i don't care what he does off track its racing i turn the TV on for and racing is what he gives.

He's a race driver. He'll complain when he wants to, and while people might think what he says is a bit wrong from time to time, it's just an aspect of his profession.

He'll go racing every other weekend, and whatever happens happens. If McLarne give him a good car, he goes well. If not, then, well, so be it.

What's all this complaining malarky about? Not once have I heard Hamilton properly ''complain''. Complaining is like when Alonso said F1 was ''no longer a sport'' and the like. Hamilton is voicing his opinions, which he has a right to do.

Personally I think his is brilliant, and if he wins the championship tomorrow, it is fully deserved. He has been the most consistent driver out of everyone this season and he has beaten his two times world champion fair and square on numerous occassions with an identical car with an identical oppurtunity.

Also, his mental strength is also something that is...unfathomable, to say the least. He has the ability to focus on one thing at a time, shove all the other thoughts out of the way and get the job in hand done, which not a lot of other people can do, which is brilliant.

He's probably one of my favourite F1 drivers (behind Jenson Button, obviously), because of his talent, metal strength, determination and his desire to succeed.

Although he didnt finish in China today, my respect for Hammy has just gotten higher. He was out there, nearly down to the canvas, and he was controlling the car, how he didnt spin it just shows how incredible his car controll is. Plus after he retired, he must have been so frustrated and upset, but did he throw a tantrum? Did he throw his teddy out of the pram? Did he strom into the garage smashing doors off their hinges because it didnt go his way like a certain, arrogant Spaniard? No, he was calm and walked into the garage, shook each of the drivers hands, even appologised for not finishing, even though it was the teams fault that caused him to retire! He showed such maturity in a time when it would have been so easy to be angry and storm about the garage. He probably wont win the title now, but even then he will still be the most incredible driver this season, I will still be amazed by him. If he wins in Brazil, it will just be the icing on the cake, but win or not, he still is an incredible driver.

Although I do love Hamilton, I found this picture and caption, and it did bloody well make me laugh.

DEPRESSED HAMILTON STOPS FOR PETROL ON WAY HOME

http://www.sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/uploads/lewispetrol.jpg

Although im a Hammy fanboy, i found that funny!

Also heard another comment about him today, on some program, they were talking about Hamilton buying a place in Monte Carlo, and they said, "Lets just hope he doesnt have a gravel driveway" I smirked but thought, "Come on Hammy, wipe their smiles off their faces!"

What's all this complaining malarky about? Not once have I heard Hamilton properly ''complain''. Complaining is like when Alonso said F1 was ''no longer a sport'' and the like. Hamilton is voicing his opinions, which he has a right to do.

Personally I think his is brilliant, and if he wins the championship tomorrow, it is fully deserved. He has been the most consistent driver out of everyone this season and he has beaten his two times world champion fair and square on numerous occassions with an identical car with an identical oppurtunity.

Also, his mental strength is also something that is...unfathomable, to say the least. He has the ability to focus on one thing at a time, shove all the other thoughts out of the way and get the job in hand done, which not a lot of other people can do, which is brilliant.

He's probably one of my favourite F1 drivers (behind Jenson Button, obviously), because of his talent, metal strength, determination and his desire to succeed.
What about Ayrton Senna?

Theres no question he is a brilliant driver, but theres one thing which I don't like about him. Its not really about him though, its his dad, his dad pushed him to get where he is now, which means his dad is living the life he wanted through his son. Which isn't right in my opinion.

Although I do love Hamilton, I found this picture and caption, and it did bloody well make me laugh.

DEPRESSED HAMILTON STOPS FOR PETROL ON WAY HOME

http://www.sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/uploads/lewispetrol.jpg

I love Sniff Petrol they always come up with things like that :D !

On a serious note I'm not really a fan of Hamilton, I support a driver that I think is exceptionally good thats why I support Kimi & Kubica because I personally feel Kimi is the best driver in F1 at the moment and Kubica will win at least one world championship in years to come.

Theres no question he is a brilliant driver, but theres one thing which I don't like about him. Its not really about him though, its his dad, his dad pushed him to get where he is now, which means his dad is living the life he wanted through his son. Which isn't right in my opinion.

I've got to disagree with that. His dad, from what I've seen, id top banana, and never, ever seems overwhelming. I don't think he's living it through his son, but living it with him. The thing that makes me say that is the pure determination that Lewis has. A man who is being forced to become a super driver, wouldn't have the raw pace, wouldn't have that determination. His dad is deffinitely a key factor in what he has become, but ultimately, Lewis has that raw talent that we see, and his dad is just a catalyst to this.

Theres no question he is a brilliant driver, but theres one thing which I don't like about him. Its not really about him though, its his dad, his dad pushed him to get where he is now, which means his dad is living the life he wanted through his son. Which isn't right in my opinion.
true but look where he is now, he's famous and all!

I hate marmite, and I hate Lewis Hamilton.

So he might win the championship in his first season. So what, its not all down to him. If you put Anthony Davidson in that McLaren, I'm sure he'd do just as well, and be in all the headlines.

One of the things I dont like about him is how he allways says 'The team did a great job. Their just so fantastic' and when he crashed on Sunday at China all he said was 'Oh, its a big dissapointment for the team', he never says anything about himself.

Also on Sunday you could see at first he really didnt want to talk to the press and Louise. Until later, when he was told or realised that if he didn't talk to them, and put on his act, it would ruin his perfect image.

I used to suport McLaren before he came along.

I hate marmite, and I hate Lewis Hamilton.

So he might win the championship in his first season. So what, its not all down to him. If you put Anthony Davidson in that McLaren, I'm sure he'd do just as well, and be in all the headlines.

One of the things I dont like about him is how he allways says 'The team did a great job. Their just so fantastic' and when he crashed on Sunday at China all he said was 'Oh, its a big dissapointment for the team', he never says anything about himself.

Also on Sunday you could see at first he really didnt want to talk to the press and Louise. Until later, when he was told or realised that if he didn't talk to them, and put on his act, it would ruin his perfect image.

I used to suport McLaren before he came along.

Im not bashing Davidson, hes a good griver, but Hamilton imo is a better driver. Ant has made mistakes whereas Lewis has made next to none. Thats his key to his success.

So, you dont like him, beacause he supports his team?!? That is surely a good atribute to have. He always thanks his team when he is doing well and appologises if it doesnt. Your right, he never says anything about himself, because hes not arrogant and thinks its all down to him, like a certain other McLaren driver. Hes very unselfish in that respect, he never takes all the credit.

The guy had just blown his best chance to secure the WDC, would you be up for talking to the press a few minutes afterwards? After he had spoken to all his mechanics, and seen Ron and the team, he came out and spoke to them, it had nothing to do with ruining his "image". He wanted to appologise to his mechanics and his team!

I used to suport McLaren before he came along.

You know, you can be a McLaren fan and a non-Hamilton fan at the same time.

Wouldnt you then have no choice but to support Alonso? And no one should be made to support him!

Wouldnt you then have no choice but to support Alonso? And no one should be made to support him!

Thats harsh !

You do realise Alonso has been the second best driver this season behind Kimi ???

Another thing at least he doesn't disrespect other drivers you know 'the monkeys at the back' kinda thing, yeah ok he acts like a spoilt brat sometimes but hey thats just him.

Wouldnt you then have no choice but to support Alonso? And no one should be made to support him!

Not necessarily. You can be a team supporter without being a driver supporter. The same way you can support a driver but not a team.

For example, Nemphis rates Kubica as one of his favourite drivers, but doesn't rate BMW-Sauber as one of his favourite teams. Similarly how I like Williams, but never really liked Villeneuve, or Montoya, or Ralf a whole lot (although I think he was better back in the day then he is now).

Thats harsh !

You do realise Alonso has been the second best driver this season behind Kimi ???

Another thing at least he doesn't disrespect other drivers you know 'the monkeys at the back' kinda thing, yeah ok he acts like a spoilt brat sometimes but hey thats just him.

Thats a matter of opinion, imo Hamilton has been the best driver, followed by Kimi. Statistically, Alonso is 2nd best behind Hamilton.

Did Hammy actually say "the monkeys at the back"? If so, i cant recall it. But Alonso does disrespect his entire team, and all the people who designed and built his car etc, which i think is a lot worse. He never, ever credits the team after a race, never says "thanks to all my guys, they did a fantastic job, thank you". Whereas its always the first thing that Hammy says after putting in one of his stellar drives.

Also heard another comment about him today, on some program, they were talking about Hamilton buying a place in Monte Carlo, and they said, "Lets just hope he doesnt have a gravel driveway" I smirked but thought, "Come on Hammy, wipe their smiles off their faces!"

LOL that's a good one. :p

But yeah, go Hamilton and show everyone who's boss!

What about Ayrton Senna?

Let's just say modern era drivers. I have a whole bunch of drivers that I admire (I admire anyone who has driven an F1 car, to be honest, the skills to drive one of them must be undescribable.)

You do realise Alonso has been the second best driver this season behind Kimi ???

Where has Hamilton come on your list of best drivers for 2007?

Thats harsh !

You do realise Alonso has been the second best driver this season behind Kimi ???

Another thing at least he doesn't disrespect other drivers you know 'the monkeys at the back' kinda thing, yeah ok he acts like a spoilt brat sometimes but hey thats just him.
But Kimi sure does. he gave scott speed and Barichello a DC signal in Australia. Hes really not as quite as he looks

Thats a matter of opinion, imo Hamilton has been the best driver, followed by Kimi. Statistically, Alonso is 2nd best behind Hamilton.

Did Hammy actually say "the monkeys at the back"? If so, i cant recall it. But Alonso does disrespect his entire team, and all the people who designed and built his car etc, which i think is a lot worse. He never, ever credits the team after a race, never says "thanks to all my guys, they did a fantastic job, thank you". Whereas its always the first thing that Hammy says after putting in one of his stellar drives.

Kimi has won the most races this season out of any other driver (5) and add that to the fact that Hamilton hasn't won from anywhere else other than pole makes me say Kimi is the best driver this season FACT !!!!

I think disrespecting other drivers who are not as fortunate as you is pretty bad and much worst than not thanking you engineers and come to think about it doesn't Alonso give his engineers money if he wins ??? If thats not a thankyou then well I don't know what is lol !

Where has Hamilton come on your list of best drivers for 2007?

TBH I don't know because all I know is Kimi is first then Alonso (I hate saying that!) possibly Massa or 'the wonder kid' (only 'the wonder kid' because of the car !!!!) and then Kubica & Heidfeld !

But Kimi sure does. he gave scott speed and Barichello a DC signal in Australia. Hes really not as quite as he looks

I don't remember that !

@ Timbit: I kind of still support McLaren, its just hard to when your wishing their drivers not to win. Plus as they cant win the constructors, theres not much point this season. But I'd still rather Alonso won than Hamilton.

@ Beaver: I dont not like him because he supports his team. He obviously does. Its just it seems a bit over the top, and a bit of an act imo.

I just find it annoying that McLaren suddenly get a car with perfect reliability and performance, as Kimi leaves, and Hamilton comes along in his first season to basically the best car on the grid.

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@ Timbit: I kind of still support McLaren, its just hard to when your wishing their drivers not to win. Plus as they cant win the constructors, theres not much point this season. But I'd still rather Alonso won than Hamilton.

@ Beaver: I dont not like him because he supports his team. He obviously does. Its just it seems a bit over the top, and a bit of an act imo.

I just find it annoying that McLaren suddenly get a car with perfect reliability and performance, as Kimi leaves, and Hamilton comes along in his first season to basically the best car on the grid.

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It's all about time...

Kimi has won the most races this season out of any other driver (5) and add that to the fact that Hamilton hasn't won from anywhere else other than pole makes me say Kimi is the best driver this season FACT !!!!

It wouldn't really be a 'fact' that Kimi has been the best driver on the grid this season. You could argue that Kovalainen has been the best dirver this season for his determination and a string of seven consecutive points finishes on a difficult Renault. You just never know. Personally I think Hamilton has been the best driver this season because he has got the best out of his car and he is leading the championship, and he has not fallen where others have.

Tbh, although I completely support Mclaren and Hamilton this year, Kimi has been the best driver of the season. He is relentless and ice cool under pressure, he is not has consistant though, which is his only weakness imo. Hamilton is great, he's everything a modern GP driver should be, but its all smiles and handshakes... he's too polite, which is strange. :-k

I have seen inane threads such as: Hamilton; luck or skill? Why not skill or top-tier car. The difference in qual times is less than the difference in team funds by orders of magnitude. Put Hamilton in an STR and he would be rarely noticed on US SpeedTV.

Keep in mind that the last place qualifier could take any of you for a ride in your momma's car and make you CRY for MOMMA!

Consider this: Hamilton fell victim to a bad bet on weather by a #1 team. If he had spent more of his earlier racing career driving low budget junk he worked on in his garage; perhaps he could have made a successful pit entrance on wore out tires when it counted.

What do you think he did when he was karting? Did McLaren buy him a kart and hire a bunch of mechanics to work for him? His father bought him a little kart and him and Lewis worked on it themselves.

Also, seeing as people are talking about if he was in a lesser car he would be nothing special, well, you dont know that. And i doubt he would be, i bet he would be better than his teammate, as considering in an identical car he is equal, if not better than his current teammate, a double world champion! Thats what i dont get, people are all like, "oh its all the car, hes nothing special" Well if that were true, he would be struggling to keep up with Alonso, he would be all over the place, inconsistent finishes, the odd podium, a few crashes and finishing the season 4th or 5th. But instead, hes been beating Alonso fair and square, been the most consistent driver all season, 9 podiums in a row from his very first race, 1 DNF (Not a crash though) and hes been leading the championship since race 3!! How can you put that down to the car? or luck?

Also, consider this, he's beating Alonso, fairly, and Alonso has had no mechanical problems all season, he has had a perfect car when Lewis has had numerous tyre problems (Germany, Turkey and China) which without them he would have won the championship at, if not a race before Fuji. That to me is remarkable, that the only reason that Alonso is not ahead of Hammy is the fact that he has been consistently outdriven by his ROOKIE teammate! Maybe you should all lay off Hammy. He is obviously the real thing.

Bah your just saying that because he is your country men. I just hope he crashes in Interlagos, that will be a day to party.

But you are right he is good, and its not just the car, because, i mean Kimi started of in McLaren as well. And although having a good car helps, he does have talent, despite his little arrogance, and comparing himself to senna and prost. He will be one of the greats, or maybe he will be another Jaques Villenueve, who also started the same way, second place on his first championship, and then won the next championship and now where is he, thats right turning left on a truck all day. So maybe he is good just not Michael Shumachaer or Juan Manuel Fangio good.

I still hope that he either crashes or gets some sort of DNF, or that he just finishes a maximum of 6th place. This championship is KIMI's he deserves it more than the British.

I hate marmite, and I hate Lewis Hamilton.

So he might win the championship in his first season. So what, its not all down to him. If you put Anthony Davidson in that McLaren, I'm sure he'd do just as well, and be in all the headlines.

One of the things I dont like about him is how he allways says 'The team did a great job. Their just so fantastic' and when he crashed on Sunday at China all he said was 'Oh, its a big dissapointment for the team', he never says anything about himself.

Also on Sunday you could see at first he really didnt want to talk to the press and Louise. Until later, when he was told or realised that if he didn't talk to them, and put on his act, it would ruin his perfect image.

I used to suport McLaren before he came along.


If i was driving for a team, I will also speak like that. This is a team sport. If I fail, the team does also. If the team fail, I fail also. This is not a person race. Is a team race...

^^^ yes very true, that is actually the only thing that I like about "el negrito". He puts his team first and that is the way it should be, he needs to thank his team, because with out them he has no car.

Kimi has won the most races this season out of any other driver (5) and add that to the fact that Hamilton hasn't won from anywhere else other than pole makes me say Kimi is the best driver this season FACT !!!!
No no. Britain the victory was literally handed to him. Lewis messed up in the pits and that was it. Kimi has been lucky this year in the fact that hes always been there when others mess up. Same with china, and strangely France, where Ferrari messed themselves up.

This championship is KIMI's he deserves it more than the British.

How'd you work that one out?

If i was driving for a team, I will also speak like that. This is a team sport. If I fail, the team does also. If the team fail, I fail also. This is not a person race. Is a team race...

^ If it was genuine, then obviously its a good thing. I just dont think it is. It looks like an act to me, constantly giving compliments to everyone to appear so nice and perfect. Like powered by diesel says, he's overly polite.

Uhhhh, I know this about Lewis Hamilton, but what, or who the hell is Marmite. I havn't entered this thread because I don't follow F1 that much/at all, but this has been bothering me for a while. I keep reading "Hamilton is like a Marmot" and that just confuses the hell out of me.

http://www.portigal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/marmot.jpg
vs.
http://www.dancewithshadows.com/auto/images/lewis-hamilton-1.jpg

I mean, I GUESS I see the resemblance?

^^^ thats huge great pictures. They do look alike don't they.

and kimi deserves because he has won more races than "el negrito" on top of that, kimi drives for ferrari, so he deserves it. Plus common anybody else on the field has a problem and they are out, Hamilton nothing seems to happen, tires pops and he drives a whole lap and goes into the pits, without loosing to much time, that would of happened to kimi and he would of flipped 35 times in the air, and landed on a tree in antartica. Hamilton has to much luck and is winning a championship the same way Alonso won his first just by being there.

Uhhhh, I know this about Lewis Hamilton, but what, or who the hell is Marmite. I havn't entered this thread because I don't follow F1 that much/at all, but this has been bothering me for a while. I keep reading "Hamilton is like a Marmot" and that just confuses the hell out of me.


I mean, I GUESS I see the resemblance?

Marmite is apparently the only "food" that tastes worse than Vegemite.

If you don't know what either are, they are spreads that are based on yeast extract.



Again, I have to say to those people who say Coulthard or and other driver would be doing as well in the same car; If your not the best or damn near it you don't beat the double world champion in the same car. If Hamilton is as average as a lot of people make him out to be then why aren't Kimi, Massa and most importantly, Alonso beating him with ease?

Well technically if you look at wins, hamilton and alonso have the same amount, and kimi has 5. so its not like hamilton has done the superior job, when he wins 16 out 18 races like michael did in 2004 ill give you the whole yeah he is dominating, but all he has done, is win 4 races as the other three and just manages to always have a car that finishes. And when he has an accident with say Kubica, nothing happens to the car (china) now my friend if thats not luck i don't know what is.

and kimi deserves because he has won more races than "el negrito" on top of that, kimi drives for ferrari, so he deserves it. Plus common anybody else on the field has a problem and they are out, Hamilton nothing seems to happen, tires pops and he drives a whole lap and goes into the pits, without loosing to much time, that would of happened to kimi and he would of flipped 35 times in the air, and landed on a tree in antartica. Hamilton has to much luck and is winning a championship the same way Alonso won his first just by being there.

So what, he's won more races? You don't win championships by just winning races, you win championships by being consistent and winning races. Kimi has NOT been consistent this year, whereas Hamilton has won four races and been consistent. If nine consecutibve podiums isn't consistent, then I really don't know what is.

And what does driving for Ferrari have anything to do with deserving a championship? Adrian Sutil's performances in the Spyker this year might warrant a drive in a Ferrari but does that mean he will get it? Hell no...kinda ignorant to say that he deserves it because he drives for the Scuderia.

Also, ever heard the phrase ''Luck Favours The Brave''?

A case of that this year..Hamilton deserves it more than anyone because of his wins and his consistency.

Plus I agree with Bernie Ecclestone's comments a few weeks back, saying that Kimi and Alonso do absolutely nothing for the sport. I will stand by that.

Kimi has had 2 non points races, and one start from 16th.
Lewis has had 2 non points races and a puncture at Turkey.

So why isn't Kimi winning the championship.

Alonso has had 1 non points race and one start from 10th.

Why isn't he winning.

The simple fact is that Lewis has beat Kimi on pretty equal terms, and beat Alonso, despite Alonso having the better season in terms of finishing.

If anything, the only person who has an excuse this year for not beating Hamiliton is Massa.
With 3 non points races, 2 back row starts, and 2 messed up stratigies. He has easily had the least luck of any driver.

Then i really want to point out Kubica, forget Webber, hes beat him in one year. The crash for one, and the fact hes had bad luck in every race since France.
Germany - Hit by Teamate
Hungary - Probelm in Quali
Turkey - a strategy so bad it lost him 4 places.
Monza - jack got stuck in the pits.
Belgium - engine change penalty.
Japan - Understandable contact with Lewis, yet a penatly
China - Race win taken away due to Hydralic probelm
Now come on, thats a bad season

"We have paid his entire budget for the last eight or nine years and put a lot of time and effort in with Lewis." -Ron Dennis from BBC 12/05

He is talking about millions of dollars; so don't give me this backyard kart spiel, Beaver. Compared to the majority of up-from-the-ranks racers worldwide; Hamilton is a bought and paid-for protege since adolescence. In the best ride, he better be good. I admire a driver who improves his position in a 2nd tier car far more than a driver who wins from the pole.

I stand by the last paragraph of my last post. McLaren made a bad bet on the weather. Hammie might not have loused up entering the pits if he had driven poorer equipment more often. Driving junk doesn't make you perfect. It does make you more adaptable.

Yes, they have paid for him for that long. But that was after he had won numerous karting events on his own, without Rons help. He won a major karting tournament, then he met Ron at the Autosport awards, and only after that did Ron back him. How did you think Ron discovered Lewis? He didnt just pick him up and say "You will be my driver in 10 years" He saw that he had something extraordinary from seeing him in karts (funded by his dad and worked on by both of them) and then took a risk to fund him through things like Formula Renault working his way up, through GP2 into F1. Without his skills, he wouldnt have gotten to F1, fact. Formula 1 is the best of the best, driving the fastest cars. If your not the best, you wont be driving in F1, because they only want the best drivers. Plus, you keep skimming over this.

He is beating his DOUBLE WORLD CHAMPION TEAMMATE! In the EXACT SAME CAR.

Can you honestly tell me that anyone could do this? That would then make Alonso just an average driver. Which quite obviously he isnt.

Also, i love this "can only win from pole" talk! Hahahaha! So he can only beat his opponents, after beating them all fair and square in a previous event!! Oh no! You should be saying "its amazing that this rookie is beating his competitors to pole" You are then saying he cant overtake! Bahahaha!! Weve seen the skills he has overtaking people, hes made passes that ive thought, nah hes too far back. Or nah, theres not enough room. But hes there, bang, theres a tiny gap, a fraction of a second to make that move and hes there, in the gap that wasnt there when he went for it. Its like hes predicting what will happen and reacting to it before it does.

How anyone can say he hasnt got the skills, needs their eyes testing.

"We have paid his entire budget for the last eight or nine years and put a lot of time and effort in with Lewis." -Ron Dennis from BBC 12/05

He is talking about millions of dollars; so don't give me this backyard kart spiel, Beaver. Compared to the majority of up-from-the-ranks racers worldwide; Hamilton is a bought and paid-for protege since adolescence. In the best ride, he better be good. I admire a driver who improves his position in a 2nd tier car far more than a driver who wins from the pole.

I stand by the last paragraph of my last post. McLaren made a bad bet on the weather. Hammie might not have loused up entering the pits if he had driven poorer equipment more often. Driving junk doesn't make you perfect. It does make you more adaptable.

So, right, 9 years off 22 is 13 ? He's been racing competitively since the age of 8. Think it's cheap to race karts for 5 years ? His father at one point had three jobs, to keep lewis going.

The fact Ron paid for him, isn't, and never will be a bad thing. The fact that such a talented racer has been picked up and paid for is no bad thing. Racers shouldn't have to make their way up through the ranks, it just seems pointless. Lewis is good enough for that Mclaren, simple as that, and made a mistake coming into the pits. If he had been in a Toro Rosso, vying for the championship, the EXACT same mistake would have been made.

I am not on an "anti-English driver" crusade here. I was a huge fan of Nigel Mansell (Il Leone!). However, I always root for the underdog.

Consider this: If you asked the fans at any race if they would be willing to "give it a shot"; what percentage would say yes? 20%? 50%? 60%? Would even 2% of American football or rugby fans actually consider going onto the field and getting their butts creamed?

The point I am trying to make here is that passionate race fans don't consider the actual "racing" to be work. Surely they would consider speaking engagements and autograph sessions for sponsors dozens of times per year, as well as test sessions to be "work"; but they see the actual racing as a labor of love.

Despite multiple Nascar championships, Jeff Gordon is unlikely to ever be voted "most popular driver." Why? In the eyes of the working-class fans who shell out ticket money for races; he has never been a "worker." "King" Richard Petty said; "I won my first championship in my third year of racing, and I did it out of my own pocket. Jeff Gordon won his first championship in his 14th year of racing, but he has never worked a day in his life." No ditch-digging, brake-changing, burger-flipping, table-waiting, or even pizza delivery for him.

A few seasons ago, jeffie actually cursed his crew over the radio for his bad-handling car. His crew chief reminded him that thousands of fans had scanners, some w/recording capabilities. When he's not up front; he's first to whine. Record books be damned. He is no champion in my mind.

US readers are told that the majority of English press is "tabloid"/sensational, like the (crap) Enquirer. I really don't know. On 8/6 (Hungarian GP), I quoted from the Daily Mail a radio exchange between Hammie and Ron Dennis. NOBODY on this forum contradicted the source or the alledged content! If true, that was WHINING!

1985 "spin & win" Indy 500 winner and 1988 CART champion Danny Sullivan drove a London cab to pay to drive Jim Russell, FF, and F3. He may not be anywhere near the list of greatest racing drivers, but he WORKED for it. He got 2 points driving 15 races in F1 for Tyrrell.