Well ladies and gentlemen...they did it...again. Ferrari not only took the constructers championship but my man Kimi took the driver's title. Ha Ha Ha! suck it McLaren!

Won the constructors championship by default technically. Kimi drove well to take the drivers but if Hammy's gearbox had not gone Kimi wouldve had no hope. To be honest this year was a very lucky year for Ferrari.

Luck maybe, but for all we know McLaren had Ferrari's tech all season. Without that they wouldn't have been front runners.

Won the constructors championship by default technically. Kimi drove well to take the drivers but if Hammy's gearbox had not gone Kimi wouldve had no hope. To be honest this year was a very lucky year for Ferrari.

im sorry to disapoint you BUT, Ferrari didnt win on default, they would have scored one 1 more point then McLaren in the teams championship hadnt mclaren been dsq for stealing data, also Kimi scored 27! more points then Lewis since Canada and kimi has the most DNF'S out of the top 4, using your same reasoning if Kimi didnt have those DNF in spain and germany the championship would have been over before china, how is that good luck is beyond me...

Point taken my friend. What do you think about Ferrari's chances for next season?

same as this year i guess, unless the Mclaren ECU gives problems..

im sorry to disapoint you BUT, Ferrari didnt win on default, they would have scored one 1 more point then McLaren in the teams championship hadnt mclaren been dsq for stealing data, also Kimi scored 27! more points then Lewis since Canada and kimi has the most DNF'S out of the top 4, using your same reasoning if Kimi didnt have those DNF in spain and germany the championship would have been over before china, how is that good luck is beyond me...
lol's silly man.
Kimi has had only 2.
But Massa had 2 as well, plus 2 back row starts, tyre probelms costing him a win at Germany, and a start from 16th.

While Lewis had one DNF, he also had tyre probelms 3 times.

Alonso had one DNF that was his fault, and only probelm he had was in France during Quali.

So if anything, Kimi was actually the 2nd luckiest of the top 4.

Luck maybe, but for all we know McLaren had Ferrari's tech all season. Without that they wouldn't have been front runners.

LOL. Don't say you're one of those ignorant ''omfg macca cheater people''? Get the facts straight before you come out with things like that. ALso pretty immature to say ''suck it'' to McLaren.

I didn't want McLaren to win anything, and I have never really liked them as a team. Kimi was lucky to win, but the point is that often things are decided by luck. I also think that Hamilton and Alonso probably had better chances to win driving the cars they had. Ferrari seem to have been strugling a bit recently, and I am glad they won both titles. I did want Alonso to win to rub McLarens face in it, although I never really liked him before the whole McLaren fiasco. I also feel that if you have attempted to steal someone else's secrets, then you do deserve everything you get. As I say I have never really liked McLaren and this whole scandal has not helped improve their image in my eyes. Congratulations Ferrari, and Kimi!

lol's silly man.
Kimi has had only 2.
But Massa had 2 as well, plus 2 back row starts, tyre probelms costing him a win at Germany, and a start from 16th.

While Lewis had one DNF, he also had tyre probelms 3 times.

Alonso had one DNF that was his fault, and only probelm he had was in France during Quali.

So if anything, Kimi was actually the 2nd luckiest of the top 4.
the tire problems lewis had were down to his aggressive driving style and over using of the tires

^^no, firstly the wheel nut wasn't screwed due to a mechinal malfunction, the other was a blow out, which was from bits of car on the track, and the 3rd was the McLarens fault

Yeah Ferrari won both titles fair and square imo !

Once again I thank Hockey (god doesn't exist ! (sorry Wes I had to lol!)) that Kimi won the title and I'm pretty sure he will do it again next year to upset 'the wonder kid' fanboys lol :D.

On that note guys my Kimi avator and user title are going for Hockey themed ones lol.

Go Kimi!!!
:D

He really deserved the championship after all of the failure he's had in the past.

Ferrari did a beautiful job of making their cars blisteringly fast and reliable.

BTW, the McLaren MP4/22 = Ferrari F2007

I say this because McLaren was CAUGHT with Ferrari technical data, and the FIA and WMSC (World Motor Sport Council) PROVED that McLaren had been using Ferrari Technical data in the development of their car.[-X

I Think that my boy (Kimi) and Ferrari will repeat their success, with some challenge from Heidfeld, Kubica, and the BMW Sauber

Luck maybe, but for all we know McLaren had Ferrari's tech all season. Without that they wouldn't have been front runners.
i see that your god's gift to formula 1 information so im sure your correct;)

you make it seem as if alonso and hamilton are bad drivers, alonso was EXTREMLY good at renault, and still is for mclaren, hamilton for a rookie is a helluva driver too. they are almost a senna/prost combo (ironic that they both drove for mclaren at the same time and dominatd f1)

and remember kimmi raced at mclaren at one point in time, didnt do too well did he? he is my fav. driver but i feel that the ferrari manufactor points would have gone o mclaren had they not been DQed. and its not like kimmi won by alot either..... it was damn close

mclaren had an argualy better chance at winning this year.

''omfg macca cheater people"

and lol benny boy

No excuses Ferrari is the Winer,FERRARI CAMPIONE.

Ferrari is a good team, but I think they got lucky this year. Mclaren would've been right up there with them if they didn't get kicked out. I'm kind of hoping the other teams will improve for next year. They weren't even close to Ferrari and Mclaren.

Note to fanboys: You're favorite team isn't necessarily the best.

With the way BMW have been progressing throughout the season I'm positive they will be in the hunt for the championship next year. Even Super Aguri should be able to run midfield throughout the '08 season. Personally I'd really like to see Massa win a Drivers World Championship.

Wow maddabe, learn the rules. There is a BRAZILLIAN GP thread for a reason. PLUS there is a F1 news thread.

Go Kimi!!!
:D

He really deserved the championship after all of the failure he's had in the past.

Ferrari did a beautiful job of making their cars blisteringly fast and reliable.

BTW, the McLaren MP4/22 = Ferrari F2007

I say this because McLaren was CAUGHT with Ferrari technical data, and the FIA and WMSC (World Motor Sport Council) PROVED that McLaren had been using Ferrari Technical data in the development of their car.[-X

I Think that my boy (Kimi) and Ferrari will repeat their success, with some challenge from Heidfeld, Kubica, and the BMW Sauber

First bit; you're wrong there.

Second bit, couldn't be more wronger. Let me just tell you this people: THE CHARGE AGAINST MCLAREN WAS FOR ''POSSESSION OF CONFIDENTIAL FERRARI DATA''. How many bloody times do I have to say it? Ferrari308, I'm afraid you're nothing but a fanboy who hasn't read the charges filed against McLaren. The FIA and WMSC proved that McLaren had confidential Ferrari data. They DID NOT prove that McLaren used that data on their car. Non questionable.

Learn the facts please people....

With the way BMW have been progressing throughout the season I'm positive they will be in the hunt for the championship next year. Even Super Aguri should be able to run midfield throughout the '08 season. Personally I'd really like to see Massa win a Drivers World Championship.

BMW stopped their 2007 car development 2/3 through the season to focus on their 2008 challenge. If they get things right over winter testing, I have to agree with you, they will be in the hunt for the championship. I think it would be brilliant if Heidfeld or Kubica could get a title.

*Cough go Honda and Button* :)

Wow maddabe, learn the rules. There is a BRAZILLIAN GP thread for a reason. PLUS there is a F1 news thread.

True...

First bit; you're wrong there.

Second bit, couldn't be more wronger. Let me just tell you this people: THE CHARGE AGAINST MCLAREN WAS FOR ''POSSESSION OF CONFIDENTIAL FERRARI DATA''. How many bloody times do I have to say it? Ferrari308, I'm afraid you're nothing but a fanboy who hasn't read the charges filed against McLaren. The FIA and WMSC proved that McLaren had confidential Ferrari data. They DID NOT prove that McLaren used that data on their car. Non questionable.

Learn the facts please people....



BMW stopped their 2007 car development 2/3 through the season to focus on their 2008 challenge. If they get things right over winter testing, I have to agree with you, they will be in the hunt for the championship. I think it would be brilliant if Heidfeld or Kubica could get a title.

*Cough go Honda and Button* :)



True...
That's why i hate Ferrari Fanboys. Mclaren fanboys, i dont see much. But Ferrari Fanboys are like fat rednecks who has nothing to do other than startings fights in a baseball stadium.

Second bit, couldn't be more wronger. Let me just tell you this people: THE CHARGE AGAINST MCLAREN WAS FOR ''POSSESSION OF CONFIDENTIAL FERRARI DATA''. How many bloody times do I have to say it? Ferrari308, I'm afraid you're nothing but a fanboy who hasn't read the charges filed against McLaren. The FIA and WMSC proved that McLaren had confidential Ferrari data. They DID NOT prove that McLaren used that data on their car. Non questionable.

I understand the official charges filed against McLaren, and that they were charged of being in possession of the technical data, NOT using it, and even though I am a McLaren supporter (go UK! ;)) I still think it is easy to come to the conclusion that if they had the data, they either used it or were intending to use it, no matter which way you put it. Even though they weren't charged with using it, they wouldn't have it if they hadn't/didn't want to used/use it.

The main problem with people who dont know about it and just hear bits on the news is when they hear it they dont know the whole story, so they simply assume that McLarens entire car was stolen from Ferrari, and that every single part on it they havnt designed, tested, adjusted, re-tested etc. They were found to be in possesion of Ferrari technical data, and they were (Alonso and De la Rosa) discussing about trying something similar, but the FIA, even after a complete and thourough inspection of McLarens car found that they had not used the Ferrari data in any parts of the car.

So before you go off and start shouting McLaren cheats, stole everything off Ferrari, McLaren's MP4-24 = Ferrari's F2007 etc. Just read up about it.

I'm glad Kimi won the championship, I think he deserved it the most.

IMO, it was Hammiltons fault he lost. At China, he knew his tyres were in a bad state, so shouldnt have been so careless in the pit-lane. And at Brazil, he lost the 3 or 4 places at the start before the gearbox problem himslelf. And if he didnt do that, he may just have been a few positions ahead at the end to get the points he needed to win. Also I heard something about the gear box problem may have been Hamiltons fault for selecting the wrong thing on his wheel - but I dont know this for sure.

Anyway, I'd like to see McLaren to win the constructors next year. But it would be nice to see another team in the run for the championship next year like BMW, instead of just Ferrari V McLaren.

The button incident was a journalist mis-quoting Hammy. It was nothing to do with him, just a technical error.

I would love to see a 4 or 5 way battle for the championship. Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, Honda and Renault all fighting for it, what a season that would be!

Thats the big question really. Who will be fighting for what next year.

Red Bull are set to make huge steps forward, they've got great guys onboard now. Newy has had a year to fit into the team, so now its time to see what he can get out of Red Bull.

Honda have fixed probelms, but can they make a big enough jump up the feild, Button seems to think so.

BMW speaks for themselves, 3rd best team this year by a long shot, they have taken huge steps forward over the last few years. They even competed with the top 2 at some points and have already taken a jump start in development.

Renault claim to have everything set to make a come back. They messed up this year, but Briatore has claimed Renault still know how to make a race winning car.

Williams made some good steps. A championship team who are bound to make a come back at some point. Plus with one of the best drivers around, Rosberg, theres always the possibilty of them being competitive again.

Of course McLaren and Ferrari are bound to be fast next year, but either team could end up like Renault where this year.

All the teams really seem set to make advances, but its really a question of who does it best.
Bring on Melbourne 2008

No excuses Ferrari is the Winer,FERRARI CAMPIONE. your a noob i can tell, if you had any idea what was happening you would realize that mclaren would have the manufactors cup and kimmi BARLEY WON

i like ferrari dont get me wrong, i have on a ferrari shirt right now


but dont be ****ing ferrari is the **** lalalalalalalalalal it dont fly

your a noob i can tell, if you had any idea what was happening you would realize that mclaren would have the manufactors cup and kimmi BARLEY WON

Actually, if you included ALL the points McLaren were given (so, not including those taken away at Hungary for the Alonso/Lewis incident), Ferrari actually won the constructors.

And your point of kimi 'barely' winning isn't so great, considering that had Lewis won, or even Alonso, it wouldn't have been by anything over 10 points anyway.

In any case, he is quite right. A little brash on his execution, but there are really no excuses for anyone. Ferrari beat McLaren, Kimi came out on top of Fernando and Lewis. You could bring out as many ifs and buts as you like, but in reality, Ferrari were the big winners this year.

I can't wait until we see where Alonso is going for next year. Shouldn't be too long off now. After that, everything will start rolling.

I wanna see new cars as well. I hope a team is gunning for a pre-Christmas release!

your a noob i can tell, if you had any idea what was happening you would realize that mclaren would have the manufactors cup and kimmi BARLEY WON

As Stan already pointed out, ferrari would have won the constructor championship even without McLaren being disqualified.

And, yes Kimi barely won, but it isn't like Alonso or Hamilton would have won with huge figures.

i thought we had established that mclaren would have won, either way i admit to being wrong

I understand the official charges filed against McLaren, and that they were charged of being in possession of the technical data, NOT using it, and even though I am a McLaren supporter (go UK! ;)) I still think it is easy to come to the conclusion that if they had the data, they either used it or were intending to use it, no matter which way you put it. Even though they weren't charged with using it, they wouldn't have it if they hadn't/didn't want to used/use it.

They? I assume you say ''they'' as McLaren. If you're saying that, then no, you're wrong. None of the team members, excluding Mike Coughlan, had no intention of using the documents. Coughlan wanted to use them, but the team did not. McLaren are not stupid. Dennis would not say ''omfg lewis and alonzo, cum here i has secretz docummentz from teh fewawaiz!!!11!''. It's totally Coughlan's fault. I know McLaren have to take responsibilty because Coughlan was under employment by McLaren, but hey, the whole team did not want to use the documents.

That's why i hate Ferrari Fanboys. Mclaren fanboys, i dont see much. But Ferrari Fanboys are like fat rednecks who has nothing to do other than startings fights in a baseball stadium.

You will get more Ferrari fanboys than McLaren fanboys, in F1 or not. Ferrari is a household name, it's the default car make that people will like.

The button incident was a journalist mis-quoting Hammy. It was nothing to do with him, just a technical error.

I would love to see a 4 or 5 way battle for the championship. Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, Honda and Renault all fighting for it, what a season that would be!

And Honda winning. GO BUTTON!


I can't wait until we see where Alonso is going for next year. Shouldn't be too long off now. After that, everything will start rolling.

Renault have said that they will give Alonso a clear number 1 spot for 2008:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41208

Obvious Renault want Alonso....bad!

They? I assume you say ''they'' as McLaren. If you're saying that, then no, you're wrong. None of the team members, excluding Mike Coughlan, had no intention of using the documents. Coughlan wanted to use them, but the team did not. McLaren are not stupid. Dennis would not say ''omfg lewis and alonzo, cum here i has secretz docummentz from teh fewawaiz!!!11!''. It's totally Coughlan's fault. I know McLaren have to take responsibilty because Coughlan was under employment by McLaren, but hey, the whole team did not want to use the documents.



You will get more Ferrari fanboys than McLaren fanboys, in F1 or not. Ferrari is a household name, it's the default car make that people will like.



And Honda winning. GO BUTTON!



Renault have said that they will give Alonso a clear number 1 spot for 2008:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41208

Obvious Renault want Alonso....bad!
yea true, but why can't Ferrari fanboys be like mclaren fanboys.

Oh yeah? Well...My Honda team got...1 point.

Guys its over the best driver won (Kimi) and no matter what all McLaren fanboys say you cannot deny that Kimi didn't deserve to win the title !

At the end of the day he won the most races and if thats not enough to be a worthy winner of the championship then I don't know what is !!!

^^ I never denied that Kimi won. He deserved it. I was once a kimi fan myself.

Renault have said that they will give Alonso a clear number 1 spot for 2008:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41208

Obvious Renault want Alonso....bad!

lol, Renault have been dropping hints of wanting Alonso all year, and it's really quite funny as its just so obvious how much they'd want him back.

Which is why I laughed when Alonso came out and said that Renault wasn't his first choice ages ago! :D

Alonso is staying in Mclaren.

Will you be driving for Vodafone McLaren Mercedes next year?
I have a contract with Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes, so that’s the reality for the moment.


Quote from www.mclaren.com

That doesn't prove anything, considering that he's said pretty much the same thing a while ago.

Remember he can still be kicked out if Mercedes still feel edgy on the idea of him representing the company.

Considering the date at which he said that, and the fact the media hasn't been all over it confirming it as well, it's still well in the air.

I doubt that Mclaren would kick him off the team. I know Mclaren aint stupid enough to do so.

I personally want Alonso back at Renault.

Think back to 2005 and 2006, all the weird victory celebrations, and how the team was basically one big family. I was one hell of a happy guy.

Then look at this year, he has just looked depressed all year round, its sad.
I think he just seems to fit in much better at Renault.

Guys its over the best driver won (Kimi) and no matter what all McLaren fanboys say you cannot deny that Kimi didn't deserve to win the title !

At the end of the day he won the most races and if thats not enough to be a worthy winner of the championship then I don't know what is !!!

It's not over. It will be over on November 15th when McLaren's appeal verdict is given.

Oh yeah? Well...My Honda team got...1 point.

They got 5 points. Go Honda! :D

I personally want Alonso back at Renault.

Think back to 2005 and 2006, all the weird victory celebrations, and how the team was basically one big family. I was one hell of a happy guy.

Then look at this year, he has just looked depressed all year round, its sad.
I think he just seems to fit in much better at Renault.

Yep, I feel the same. All the celebrations, the cheering, everything about him and Renault was, like you said, family-like, but it just seems a bit more forlorn at McLaren. Alonso for Renault!

But yeah, as it has been said, Renault is not his first choice. But who is?

If 'the Wonder Kid' wins the title in court you cannot say he deserved it ????

Just look at the facts Kimi won the most races so surely he deserved that title ?????

^^not really. He won the most races.
But the point in winning is to get the most points, you could win 7 races, and be crap in the rest finishing somthing like 13th. Then do you deserve the title.
To win you need to be consistent as well.

Put it this way who do you think deserves to win it more?

A kid in his first F1 season, drving out of his skin or a finnish dude that has tried too many times.

Put it this way who do you think deserves to win it more?

A kid in his first F1 season, drving out of his skin or a finnish dude that has tried too many times.

So Kimi wasn't driving out of his skin?

How has Kimi 'tried too many times'? That doesn't even make sense.

Kimi's record

2001 - 10th
2002 - 6th
2003 - 2nd
2004 - 4th
2005 - 2nd
2006 - 5th
2007 - finally 1st

Ok, granted that he didnt have the best car back in the day. However later on he did have a good car and still couldnt win the championship.
Its taken him, what 7 seasons to win the F1 title and it took hamilton nearly 1 to win it. Personally I find it more impresive that a rookie nearly wins it in his first season than someone that wins it after so many tries. Abit like Jimmy White trying to win the WSC, however he never did win it.

So Kimi wasn't driving out of his skin?

How has Kimi 'tried too many times'? That doesn't even make sense.

Kimi's record

2001 - 10th
2002 - 6th
2003 - 2nd
2004 - 4th
2005 - 2nd
2006 - 5th
2007 - finally 1st

Ok, granted that he didnt have the best car back in the day. However later on he did have a good car and still couldnt win the championship.
Its taken him, what 7 seasons to win the F1 title and it took hamilton nearly 1 to win it. Personally I find it more impresive that a rookie nearly wins it in his first season than someone that wins it after so many tries. Abit like Jimmy White trying to win the WSC, however he never did win it.

Bit of a difference don't you think 'the wonder kid' started in a fast, reliable car yet Kimi started with Sauber a midefield team with no real competitive edge !

Now tell me how Kimi was supposed to win the title in his rookie year in a car that was way off the front runners pace ??????

BTW Kimi is noted for having bad luck follow him around.

Kimi's record

2001 - 10th
2002 - 6th
2003 - 2nd
2004 - 4th
2005 - 2nd
2006 - 5th
2007 - finally 1st

Ok, granted that he didnt have the best car back in the day. However later on he did have a good car and still couldnt win the championship.
Its taken him, what 7 seasons to win the F1 title and it took hamilton nearly 1 to win it. Personally I find it more impresive that a rookie nearly wins it in his first season than someone that wins it after so many tries. Abit like Jimmy White trying to win the WSC, however he never did win it.

So, what you're saying is, is that because Kimi has tried so many times, he isn't a worthy champion? But, someone in their first season winning it is?

Do you know how many attempts Prost made to win the championship? 5 times. What about Mansell? He took 11 seasons to be able to win the championship. Hell, even Hakinnen had 7 seasons before he won it.

Let's look at the other side of the coin then. Villeneuve won the championship in his second season, but compared to those drivers already mentioned, which do you think are better?

In F1, you can't just rock up one season, and the win. Lewis was fortunate enough to be placed into a winning team. By your logic, Button must be a horrible driver, as he's been in F1 for 7 seasons and still hasn't won the championship. Coulthard must be even worse - he's been in F1 for 14 seasons and hasn't been able to win it.

If we must look at Kimi's record then:

2001 - 10th - He was in a Sauber, not much else to say there.
2002 - 6th - McLaren didn't have the pace, shown equally by Coulthard's 5th placing.
2003 - 2nd - Got beaten by 2 points. In a season where the McLaren team were using the D version of the MP4-17 as the 18 was no where near reliable enough. He also beat the William's of Montoya and Ralf, which were adamn sight quicker, and almost beat Schuamcher, who won 6 times that year.
2004 - 7th - The McLaren was marred by mechanical problems all season, and were still using the MP4-17D until they launched the MP4-19 at Spa, which subsequently went on to win emphatically.
2005 - 2nd - Again, reliability woes (both race and qualifying effecting) caused a number of non-ideal starting positions.
2006 - The McLaren was more off the pace than in 2005, but Kimi also had a few key DNF's, including his heat shield failure when leading at Monaco, being hit up the back by Montoya at Indy, and his suspension failure during qualifying at Bahrain.

It's not as if Kimi didn't have the goods to become champion. Driver's can only do with what they are given to them by the driver. If the car simply isn't o the pace with the front-runners, there's not much the driver can do except go for as good as they can.

^^To tell you the truth.
2005 Kimi just hadn't the pace, he had the chance to win, but just dosen't seem to try his best at times, and when you look back montoya had more pace, but even less luck.

Ron Dennis actually said that Kimi was lazy, and Kimi had no objection to that.

^^Well, I'll give you that. Kimi certainly some chances. But to put him down as a champion because he's 'tried to many times' is ridiculous!

It took Mika Hakkinen 8 years to win the championship
It took Nigel Mansell 12 years to win the championship
It took Alain Prost 6 years to win the championship
Stirling Moss drove 8 years in F1 finishing 4 times 2nd and 3 times 3rd and never won the championship

I think my point is clear.

No where did I say "put him down as a champion because he's 'tried to many times" so get you facts straight. Also my point is that hamilton would have been a more worthy champion because he was almost able to do in 1 season, what kimi was trying to do for 7 seasons i.e. winning the championship. However kimi won it in the end, so ill give him credit for it.

Really when you think about. Felipe went to Monza ahead Kimi in points.

Now Felipe was clearly faster than Kimi in Monza, and was able to trail Lewis quite well early on.
Both were on 1 stops, so since Kimi came out on front of Lewis, Felipe probaly would've come out on front of Alonso and won.

That would of made him Ferrari's main title contentder, and he probaly would still be on front of Kimi, meaning he would of won the title at Interlagos. Damn you ferrari, damn you.

No where did I say "put him down as a champion because he's 'tried to many times" so get you facts straight.

...or a finnish dude that has tried too many times.

No?

Really when you think about. Felipe went to Monza ahead Kimi in points.

Now Felipe was clearly faster than Kimi in Monza, and was able to trail Lewis quite well early on.
Both were on 1 stops, so since Kimi came out on front of Lewis, Felipe probaly would've come out on front of Alonso and won.

That would of made him Ferrari's main title contentder, and he probaly would still be on front of Kimi, meaning he would of won the title at Interlagos. Damn you ferrari, damn you.

Gosh...I don't seem to remember much of Monza for some reason. I have no idea why! :( My memory has been shocking lately.

In any case, it certainly has been an up and down season, and not so much between teams, but also within teams as well.

I think Massa will have his time to shine, might even be next year. He's a tremendous talent who has certainly made a lot of progress on his race-craft since his good old Sauber days.

Is that even a question? People these days, carnt even express your own opinions without getting your head ripped off, disgraceful.

No?

It took Mika Hakkinen 8 years to win the championship
It took Nigel Mansell 12 years to win the championship
It took Alain Prost 6 years to win the championship
Stirling Moss drove 8 years in F1 finishing 4 times 2nd and 3 times 3rd and never won the championship

I think my point is clear.
And it took Hamilton 1 year to finish second.

And it took Hamilton 1 year to finish second.

But, the point is, who would you consider out of all those drivers to be the better ones?

The base line that I'm trying to convey is that it shouldn't, nay doesn't, matter how long a driver takes to win the championship, as there are to many variables that come into play.

I'm considering that Hamilton has one of the best talent in F1 since Ayrton Senna, but it's his first season so give him some improvement and i can see him dominate in the next decade.

And it took Hamilton 1 year to finish second.

I hope you still got my point, 'cause that post was a really stupid reply....

I'm considering that Hamilton has one of the best talent in F1 since Ayrton Senna, but it's his first season so give him some improvement and i can see him dominate in the next decade.

Jacques Villeneuve had a similar first year in F1. Everytime he scored points, he was on the podium. Next year he became world champion. From '98 onwards it went downhill fast for him.

I'm not saying the same thing happens with Hamilton, but it can go either way in F1.

Hamilton, as weve all seen has amazing talent. The only thing that has let him down a few times is inexperience, there have been a few moments where he faulted, when a more experienced driver would have known what to do (Tyres in china). And he still finished second, could have won it and wrapped up the season with 1 race to spare, but a little inexperience was his eventual downfall. Considering he went to 6 tracks (i think) that he had never seen before, and won on 4 of them. That is astounding, especially when one of those tracks was drenched and hed never really driven much in wet weather before. Now, from that, and other times this season, we know he is a fast learner, and has probably learnt a hell of a lot this season from the little mistakes, so if McLaren have a top car next season, i can see him dominating the season, maybe a few more if McLaren keep their car at the top.

Yes, it could all go wrong, but do you see Hamilton's career going downhill? Hes 22, at the beggining of his possibly very long career in F1, after the performance hes shown this year i can see him being the man to beat for many years to come.

I'm considering that Hamilton has one of the best talent in F1 since Ayrton Senna, but it's his first season so give him some improvement and i can see him dominate in the next decade.

Granted Hamilton is an extremely gifted person when it comes to F1 and many other things, but I doubt he'll have a winning streak that long.

Like many of the people on this thread have said there are many variables to consider over the course of an F1 season. For example from year to year cars change, maybe not the engines since their development has been frozen. Look at Honda from last year compared to this season they dropped off in performance dramatically. Now before I'm mobbed by Honda supporters know that I truly want Honda to succeed and I'm a big fan of Button/Rubens. Other than the deveolpment of the car, DNFs for one reason or another happen to the best drivers in the biz, a competitor edges a team out or the FIA punishes you severly.

I hope you still got my point, 'cause that post was a really stupid reply....



Jacques Villeneuve had a similar first year in F1. Everytime he scored points, he was on the podium. Next year he became world champion. From '98 onwards it went downhill fast for him.

I'm not saying the same thing happens with Hamilton, but it can go either way in F1.
As you see, Hamilton was successful in almost every league he raced in.

Ferrari are the biggest cheating scum on the earth and the suck upto the FIA bribing them to let them run a illegal car. At the season opener this year at the ran flexi floors & what happened to them NOTHING apart from a secert bonus as they are ferrar i the least integral team to formula 1 as only toyota (based in germany) & ferrari (based in italy) are the only teams to my knowledge outside of the uk, so that makes ferrari less integral to formula 1.

I just hope bad things happen to ferrari as they deserve it for being the scum of the earth and every time i see a ferrari problem i feel christmas day has come as it is such a good sight to see a illegal car bust and the more it happens the better as then they mught see that they are not integral to formula 1 as mc laren are more integral than ferrari will ever be.

Even though Hamilton missed out by 1 pt he did have a very good season which almost turned perfect if it wasn't for a glitch in the gearbox & i even though i now hate alonso after the spy scandel i would rather see him champion than kimi as hee is the most dullest, boring, lifeless f1 driver ever to sit in a f1 car.

Also the flexi wings they ran in the 2006 malaysian gp they got nothing for that, no points deduction or fine for their part in the spy scandel which they deserve as they should have got some form of punishment for allowing a document of that type to get out of their possesion.

Ferrari are not the best team in them, Force India Formula 1 (Formerly Spyker) are a damn sight better than those scum of the earth people at ferrari.

I hope they lose every race and the FIA wake up AND STOP PAYING FERRARI TO BE THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF CHEATING SCUM IN FORMULA 1 HISTORY.

I feel this year that Ferrari were damn lucky in what happened. I mean, they did win the Constructors by Default, and were even luckier in the Driver's title, even though by my own admission, at the end of the day, Kimi deserves it. And that's coming from a Mclaren lover with a serious heart of British pride.

At the end of the day, Kimi is the one who didn't have his team let him down, and he didnt crash into a gravel trap. He made it happen, and for that, he does deserve the title. Ferrari, I believe, don't deserve the title.

As pointed out above, if not a bit over exuberantly, Ferrari have a long history of slapped wrists. They do things and tend to get away with it a lot more than anyone else would. Simply, that'll be because Ferrari bring so much to the sport. Their name mainly, which probably brings more money in cap sales than Super Aguri's budget. Max mosley has always been more than happy to give Ferrari a very wide birth.

This has only been proven a bit more by what he said this week a bout Lewis and the "schuey effect". I mean, what ? Who complains about a super fast new talent who brings that much to the sport ? Stick him in a Fezza, see how he complains then.




However, the whole Lewis debate, to be honest, yes, he has been absolutely superb this season. Properly, unusually quick. However, I'm gona go out on a limb and reserve judgement. This is his first year, and he has put in an amazing drive. However, Alonso, Kimi, both moving to new teams. They need time to bed in, get in the grove. Next season, that's where we'll be. We will have a Kimi, gunning for another title, maybes with a bit more fire in his belly, as now hes got something to protect. We have an Alonso, who, to me, is very much out of title contention until he either one, moves teams, ot two, gets his passion back. Then, we'll have a Hamilton, who'll come back more mature, more focused, and more aggressive. In the first season, he never thought he had a shot at becoming world champion. In his second season, his focus isn't to race for position, it's to race to win. That, to me, is going to make him an even better driver, and make the battle between the two coolests heads in the sport one hell of a spectacle to watch.

Roll on march.

Ferrari are the biggest cheating scum on the earth and the suck upto the FIA bribing them to let them run a illegal car. At the season opener this year at the ran flexi floors & what happened to them NOTHING apart from a secert bonus as they are ferrar i the least integral team to formula 1 as only toyota (based in germany) & ferrari (based in italy) are the only teams to my knowledge outside of the uk, so that makes ferrari less integral to formula 1.

I just hope bad things happen to ferrari as they deserve it for being the scum of the earth and every time i see a ferrari problem i feel christmas day has come as it is such a good sight to see a illegal car bust and the more it happens the better as then they mught see that they are not integral to formula 1 as mc laren are more integral than ferrari will ever be.

Even though Hamilton missed out by 1 pt he did have a very good season which almost turned perfect if it wasn't for a glitch in the gearbox & i even though i now hate alonso after the spy scandel i would rather see him champion than kimi as hee is the most dullest, boring, lifeless f1 driver ever to sit in a f1 car.

Also the flexi wings they ran in the 2006 malaysian gp they got nothing for that, no points deduction or fine for their part in the spy scandel which they deserve as they should have got some form of punishment for allowing a document of that type to get out of their possesion.

Ferrari are not the best team in them, Force India Formula 1 (Formerly Spyker) are a damn sight better than those scum of the earth people at ferrari.

I hope they lose every race and the FIA wake up AND STOP PAYING FERRARI TO BE THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF CHEATING SCUM IN FORMULA 1 HISTORY.

I feel this is very biased and not really a fair view of Ferrari as a team. It is the designers/aero guys job to exploit any holes in the regulations for a performance gain. You say Ferrari have had illegal equipment on their cars well, what about McLaren's front wing above the nose of the car. Of course it passed inspection by the FIA but anyone who has watched video of the car can tell it moves quite a bit. We could also go back to when Renault were using a mass dampener system on their car. Even Super Aguri had some technology banned from usage i.e. their infra-red tire warmer system. Ferrari has not solely had questionable equipment on their cars other teams have been just as controversial to an extent.