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kinnith
Mar 21, 2008, 3:47 AM
as abv stated. If i am not wrong, i rmb seeing lotus f1 on youtube? If they do own a F1-like car? Why they do not compete in the f1? i understand that they only allow 10 teams but when do the FIA re-select the teams for the f1 season?

Spiffu
Mar 21, 2008, 4:09 AM
Go read up on Formula 1 history.

TBR 427
Mar 21, 2008, 10:06 AM
I'd e more resourcefull, but you need to use google and youtube some more. This is the kind of stuff YOU should do.

Timbit
Mar 21, 2008, 10:58 AM
Or, I shall explain...

Alfa Romeo used to be very active in Formula 1. they were both a constructor and an engine supplier over the years of 1950 to 1988. They started off as one of the starting teams in the 1st year of Formula 1, along side Ferrari, Maserati, and all that. Farina, the winner of the 1st F1 championship, drove an Afla Romeo.

The team had little success though, as botha constructor and an engine supplier, and poulled out of competition in 1988 after powering the Brabham team.

Porsche has had little presence in Formula 1. Like Alfa, they have participated as a constructor (mainly in the 60s) and as an engine supplier (usually under different names). Porsche, to be exact, fielded two different cars as constructors: the Porsche 718, and the 804. The 804, under the control of Dan Gurney, won two grands prix, one at the French GP, and one at the non-championship event at Stuttgart. Porsche later pulled out due to the rising cost of the sport, but later came back as an engine supplier.

The most famous of teams Porsche supplied their engines to was none other than McLaren. Supplying engines under the 'TAG' name (as the TAG company funded most of the engine building project), the McLaren-Porsche partnership gave great results, with the team winning 2 constructors championships and 3 driver championships.

Lastly, Lotus has had a massive amount of success in Formula 1, and produced, arguably, some of the most beautiful cars in the sport's history. Lotus, headed in design by the late Colin Chapman, created some of the most revolutionary cars. I could go on, but that would take up a lot of space, and it's best if you research this yourself, as they have quite a long history.

Now for the other question: Why don't they compete in F1 anymore, or why did they stop? One main reason: cost. Formula 1 only works if you absolutely love racing and don't care about the repercussions so much, or if you make money from it. Alfa Romeo weren't getting very good results towards the end of their constructor years (about 1980), and then decided to just supply engines. Unfortunately, they supplied their engines to not so great teams, and due to the negative view it gave them, they decided it best to pull out. They did try, however, to later implement a V10 powerplant for Ligier and later Brabham, but neither project was successful.

For Porsche, McLaren decided to switch from the TAG tubo engines to Honda non-turbo engines (as the turbo engine was slowly being phased out). Porsche tried again by supplying the Footwok team with engines, but after that ended badly, pulled out of the sport, never to return.

As for Lotus, the team essentially collapsed over a number of years, with staff members and sponsors leaving, the success once gained by team dried up, and the team decided it was best to leave the sport.

As for your last question, "when do the FIA re-select the teams for the f1 season?", they reselect the teams at the end of every year, but each participant of the previous year is automatically entered into the following year unless they request not to. The number of entrants used to be more open, but the FIA decided to limit he field to 22 cars, although for a period of time the field stayed at 20 cars. The FIA opened the door for another team to enter the championship, and that license was awarded to Prodrive (headed by former BAR Honda principal David Richards), but they wanted to enter the championship with a customer car, to which a number of teams responded negatively too, and so Prodrive has yet to enter.

I like to think that more people other than the original poster might find this interesting.

kinnith
Mar 21, 2008, 11:23 AM
Or, I shall explain...

Alfa Romeo used to be very active in Formula 1. they were both a constructor and an engine supplier over the years of 1950 to 1988. They started off as one of the starting teams in the 1st year of Formula 1, along side Ferrari, Maserati, and all that. Fangio, the winner of the 1st F1 championship, drove an Afla Romeo.

The team had little success though, as botha constructor and an engine supplier, and poulled out of competition in 1988 after powering the Brabham team.

Porsche has had little presence in Formula 1. Like Alfa, they have participated as a constructor (mainly in the 60s) and as an engine supplier (usually under different names). Porsche, to be exact, fielded two different cars as constructors: the Porsche 718, and the 804. The 804, under the control of Dan Gurney, won two grands prix, one at the French GP, and one at the non-championship event at Stuttgart. Porsche later pulled out due to the rising cost of the sport, but later came back as an engine supplier.

The most famous of teams Porsche supplied their engines to was none other than McLaren. Supplying engines under the 'TAG' name (as the TAG company funded most of the engine building project), the McLaren-Porsche partnership gave great results, with the team winning 2 constructors championships and 3 driver championships.

Lastly, Lotus has had a massive amount of success in Formula 1, and produced, arguably, some of the most beautiful cars in the sport's history. Lotus, headed in design by the late Colin Chapman, created some of the most revolutionary cars. I could go on, but that would take up a lot of space, and it's best if you research this yourself, as they have quite a long history.

Now for the other question: Why don't they compete in F1 anymore, or why did they stop? One main reason: cost. Formula 1 only works if you absolutely love racing and don't care about the repercussions so much, or if you make money from it. Alfa Romeo weren't getting very good results towards the end of their constructor years (about 1980), and then decided to just supply engines. Unfortunately, they supplied their engines to not so great teams, and due to the negative view it gave them, they decided it best to pull out. They did try, however, to later implement a V10 powerplant for Ligier and later Brabham, but neither project was successful.

For Porsche, McLaren decided to switch from the TAG tubo engines to Honda non-turbo engines (as the turbo engine was slowly being phased out). Porsche tried again by supplying the Footwok team with engines, but after that ended badly, pulled out of the sport, never to return.

As for Lotus, the team essentially collapsed over a number of years, with staff members and sponsors leaving, the success once gained by team dried up, and the team decided it was best to leave the sport.

As for your last question, "when do the FIA re-select the teams for the f1 season?", they reselect the teams at the end of every year, but each participant of the previous year is automatically entered into the following year unless they request not to. The number of entrants used to be more open, but the FIA decided to limit he field to 22 cars, although for a period of time the field stayed at 20 cars. The FIA opened the door for another team to enter the championship, and that license was awarded to Prodrive (headed by former BAR Honda principal David Richards), but they wanted to enter the championship with a customer car, to which a number of teams responded negatively too, and so Prodrive has yet to enter.

I like to think that more people other than the original poster might find this interesting.

thanks alot. i am impressed....

CarRocker
Mar 21, 2008, 2:45 PM
Just one mistake Timbit, Fangio was the second F1 champion in 1951. Farina won the first, in 1950 also in an Alfa. ;)

Timbit
Mar 22, 2008, 12:34 AM
Just one mistake Timbit, Fangio was the second F1 champion in 1951. Farina won the first, in 1950 also in an Alfa. ;)

Oh dear! I was supposed to put Farina down myself! Don't know why on Earth I put Fangio down. lol

Thanks for the heads up :)

chriz00
Mar 22, 2008, 1:05 PM
Lotus was pretty big in F1, with Mario Andretti driving one of the cars...didnt know Porsche was involved, pretty cool though.