FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2008

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Montreal - 30th year in Formula 1
Date: 06,07,08 June 2008

In the 1960s the rivalry between French and English speaking Canada meant that the country's Grand Prix had two homes: Mosport Park one year and Mont-Tremblant the next. By 1970, however, Mont-Tremblant was deemed too dangerous and the race moved full time to Mosport Park.

In 1977 the French Canadians, motivated by the incredible success of Gilles Villeneuve, decided it was about time they built a race track. Building a new circuit simply wasn't feasible, however, as time and money were against them. Their solution was simple and effective. Taking the Ile Notre-Dame, they connected all the island's roads and made a circuit. The island had been the home of the 1967 World Fair (Expo'67) and was full of futuristic looking buildings. It was, everyone agreed, a perfect venue for a Grand Prix.

After $2m was spent on upgrading the circuit to Formula One standards, the first race was held there in October 1978. Gilles Villeneuve, in his first season with Ferrari, was yet to win a Formula One race, but at his home Grand Prix he took a memorable debut victory. Following his tragic death in 1982, the track was renamed in his honour.

His son, Jacques, never won at the track but some of the great drivers of the sport have taken the spoils here. Michael Schumacher holds the record of having won seven times in Canada. It is also the scene of Jean Alesi's single Grand Prix victory in 1995, driving the number 27 Ferrari, the same car number which carried Gilles Villeneuve into the hearts of the Canadian Formula One fans.

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So it's this weekend..they come round so quick!

Lets hope for an eventful race..I hope that we will see BMW back in the game. Also, I think Heikki deserves some luck!

I would like to see Kubica have a strong race here but Kimi needs a win really just to get back on form, afterall the last couple of races Massa has shown him who is the boss Kimi needs to turn that around :).

So if Kubica wins or Kimi wins I will be happy but I would be more happy if Kimi won :D.

Would be impressive to see sutil in the points.

I keep my fingers crossed for BMW.

I want good results as the previous ones.

Thinking this is Kovy's time to shine!!

Everyone (ITV) will be talking about how its where Hamilton won his first GP and they will probably be thinking he will be able to do it again here in Canada. Thats when Kovy will pounce!

It will be: "Hamiltons just done the fastest 2nd sector of anyone out there!! He's absolutely flying here...and he goes........POLE!!! Kovalinen is still out on track, hasnt been particularly fast....where will he beee.....*Kovalinen crosses the line, his name shoots to the top* HE'S POLE!!!"

Trust me. ;)

If Button or Ruby can qualify decently, they have a chance for some points, otherwise this is probably a lost race. Too technical for the RA108.

I'll still be rootin' for both of them, though!

Thinking this is Kovy's time to shine!!

Everyone (ITV) will be talking about how its where Hamilton won his first GP and they will probably be thinking he will be able to do it again here in Canada. Thats when Kovy will pounce!

It will be: "Hamiltons just done the fastest 2nd sector of anyone out there!! He's absolutely flying here...and he goes........POLE!!! Kovalinen is still out on track, hasnt been particularly fast....where will he beee.....*Kovalinen crosses the line, his name shoots to the top* HE'S POLE!!!"

Trust me. ;)

No dude get it right lol :D !!!!!!!!!!

James Allen "Hamilton has just crossed the line a massive 6 hundreds and second faster than Raikkonen, thats it he has done it he will be on pole for tommorow afternoon YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS"

Martin Brundle "Yeah but Kovaleinen is still out there and is going strong (time goes by .....), Kovaleinen will be on pole for tommorows Canadian Grand Prix"

James Allen "Yeah but Hamilton did a fantastic lap there to get pole"

Martin Brundle "No Kovi just got pole !"

James Allen "Oh so he did, but that was a fantastic lap by Hamilton, the best lap I have ever seen in my life, Hamilton is an amazing talent and today he proved it"

Martin Brundle "He will have a tough time tommorow with his teammate infront of him but it is very much do able for Hamilton"

James Allen "Once again no other driver could match Hamilton today for pace, congratulations Hamilton you have made me and British public proud"

So another weekend full of Hamilton ass licking from James Allen then :rolleyes:.

That guy needs to get a life seriously, I'm all for colour commentary but come on he takes it too far lol :D.

No dude get it right lol :D !!!!!!!!!!

James Allen "Hamilton has just crossed the line a massive 6 hundreds and second faster than Raikkonen, thats it he has done it he will be on pole for tommorow afternoon YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS"

Martin Brundle "Yeah but Kovaleinen is still out there and is going strong (time goes by .....), Kovaleinen will be on pole for tommorows Canadian Grand Prix"

James Allen "Yeah but Hamilton did a fantastic lap there to get pole"

Martin Brundle "No Kovi just got pole !"

James Allen "Oh so he did, but that was a fantastic lap by Hamilton, the best lap I have ever seen in my life, Hamilton is an amazing talent and today he proved it"

Martin Brundle "He will have a tough time tommorow with his teammate infront of him but it is very much do able for Hamilton"

James Allen "Once again no other driver could match Hamilton today for pace, congratulations Hamilton you have made me and British public proud"

So another weekend full of Hamilton ass licking from James Allen then :rolleyes:.

That guy needs to get a life seriously, I'm all for colour commentary but come on he takes it too far lol :D.
Hahahahahahaha!!!

I am a big Hamilton fan, but sometimes James Allen and other ITV commentators do go overboard with their Hammy love! Im all for being supportive of a driver, but as commentators they are supposed to present a balanced opinion, not be biased towards one driver.

On a serious note, my Quali prediction:
Kimi
Hamilton
Kovy
Massa
Kubica
Alonso
Heidfeld
Webber
Trulli

Hahahahahahaha!!!

I am a big Hamilton fan, but sometimes James Allen and other ITV commentators do go overboard with their Hammy love! Im all for being supportive of a driver, but as commentators they are supposed to present a balanced opinion, not be biased towards one driver.

On a serious note, my Quali prediction:
Kimi
Hamilton
Kovy
Massa
Kubica
Alonso
Heidfeld
Webber
Trulli

I concur. I have a feeling Hamilton will bring us one in Canada. He sure as hell better at Silverstone.

My predictions:

Hamilton
Massa
Kovalinen
Raikkonen
Kubica
Alonso
Heidfeld
Webber
?

I reckon Ferrari will have it here. They simply seem to have more raw power than any other team. That and the fact Raikkonen has had a rough race, in which he generally seem's to come back after, I reckon it'll be in, the race at least Kimi first and Hammy second.

Even though the Ferrari's are faster, Hamilton will have the mindset that he can win here. He has already won here, so it'll be there for him to win again. However, I don't think Mclaren will have the car to match Ferrari's this weekend. However, I'll still wait to be pleasantly suprised.

First practice....and its WET!!! :D

1. MASSA Ferrari 1m17.553s
2. KUBICA BMW 1m17.809s
3. KOVALAINEN McLaren 1m18.133s
4. HEIDFELD BMW 1m18.182s
5. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m18.292s
6. HAMILTON McLaren 1m18.303s
7. WEBBER Red Bull 1m18.712s
8. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m18.809s
9. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m18.971s
10. ALONSO Renault 1m19.005s
11. ROSBERG Williams 1m19.093s
12. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m19.228s
13. GLOCK Toyota 1m19.346s
14. TRULLI Toyota 1m19.568s
15. FISICHELLA Force India 1m19.815s
16. SUTIL Force India 1m19.888s
17. PIQUET Renault 1m20.091s
18. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m20.173s
19. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m20.541s
20. BUTTON Honda 1m21.542s

First practice....and its WET!!! :D

1. MASSA Ferrari 1m17.553s
2. KUBICA BMW 1m17.809s
3. KOVALAINEN McLaren 1m18.133s
4. HEIDFELD BMW 1m18.182s
5. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m18.292s
6. HAMILTON McLaren 1m18.303s
7. WEBBER Red Bull 1m18.712s
8. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m18.809s
9. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m18.971s
10. ALONSO Renault 1m19.005s
11. ROSBERG Williams 1m19.093s
12. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m19.228s
13. GLOCK Toyota 1m19.346s
14. TRULLI Toyota 1m19.568s
15. FISICHELLA Force India 1m19.815s
16. SUTIL Force India 1m19.888s
17. PIQUET Renault 1m20.091s
18. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m20.173s
19. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m20.541s
20. BUTTON Honda 1m21.542s

Watch out Sutil :p

P2: (Dry)

1. HAMILTON McLaren 1m15.752s

2. KUBICA BMW 1m16.023s

3. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m16.093s

4. KOVALAINEN McLaren 1m16.331s

5. MASSA Ferrari 1m16.413s

6. HEIDFELD BMW 1m16.589s

7. WEBBER Red Bull 1m16.604s

8. ROSBERG Williams 1m16.767s

9. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m17.019s

10. TRULLI Toyota 1m17.068s

11. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m17.242s

12. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m17.334s

13. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m17.462s

14. FISICHELLA Force India 1m17.508s

15. GLOCK Toyota 1m17.549s

16. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m17.559s

17. ALONSO Renault 1m17.644s

18. SUTIL Force India 1m17.813s

19. BUTTON Honda 1m17.842s

20. PIQUET Renault 1m18.076s






There is a low chance of FI getting any points considering they have the slowest car in the field. If its wet during race day (keep your fingers crossed) we might actually have an exciting race.

Go FERRARI!



Oh, and a drink goes out to Tony George, the dumbass who made sure that F1 will make only 1 stop in NA this year.

COME ON HAMILTON! :D

Its awesome he did so well in P2.

P2: (Dry)

1. HAMILTON McLaren 1m15.752s

2. KUBICA BMW 1m16.023s

3. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m16.093s

4. KOVALAINEN McLaren 1m16.331s

5. MASSA Ferrari 1m16.413s

6. HEIDFELD BMW 1m16.589s

7. WEBBER Red Bull 1m16.604s

8. ROSBERG Williams 1m16.767s

9. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m17.019s

10. TRULLI Toyota 1m17.068s

11. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m17.242s

12. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m17.334s

13. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m17.462s

14. FISICHELLA Force India 1m17.508s

15. GLOCK Toyota 1m17.549s

16. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m17.559s

17. ALONSO Renault 1m17.644s

18. SUTIL Force India 1m17.813s

19. BUTTON Honda 1m17.842s

20. PIQUET Renault 1m18.076s






There is a low chance of FI getting any points considering they have the slowest car in the field. If its wet during race day (keep your fingers crossed) we might actually have an exciting race.

Go FERRARI!



Oh, and a drink goes out to Tony George, the dumbass who made sure that F1 will make only 1 stop in NA this year.

I love and respect you for being a Ferrari supporter, but I have a few "bones" to pick with you...

1. The Force India is NOT the slowest car on the grid. The RA108 (HONDA) is the SLOWEST car in a straight line...The Force India has shown good pace for a new team, and they have two quick drivers...

2. The reason the Indianapolis GP was canceled was because it wasn't making enough money after the whole "tire" scandal in 2005...That's why they chose not to come back to teh US and A

The RA108 (HONDA) is the SLOWEST car in a straight line...


It's amazing how things don't change, isn't it?

I'm going to make that joke before someone else does. Zing on me!

It's amazing how things don't change, isn't it?

I'm going to make that joke before someone else does. Zing on me!

LOL, I appreciated that...

I only wish that Honda would put out a better car, so that Jenson and Rubinho could get some decent results (and Jenson could get a couple more wins)...

I actually ended up watching bits of the 2nd practice session online again.
But from that, it seems all 3 team have an equal chance of victory here.

The usual 3 suspects were as fast as usual, Hamiliton, Massa and Kimi. The 2 ferrari's did trade lap times at the start, but it did seem that Lewis was pushing a bit more. So that means, maybe ferrari have more to come, or Lewis is just plain brave.

But not as much as Kubica. Honestly, I would not like to be related to Kubica right now. If you watch the highlights of the 2nd practice session you'll see what I mean.
He was mere millimetres from the wall's, every lap. You could not actually get closer to the walls then Kubica did yesterday.

Heidfeld looks quite a bit stronger here to, posting good time.
Same with Kovalinen. Who to be honest. Deserves a breakthrough here, and he's deffinetly quick enough to do so.


I think, my predictions for quali will go

1. Kovalinen
2. Kubica
3. Massa
4. Hamiliton
5. Kimi
6 Heidfeld
7. Webber
8 Rosberg
9 Nakajima

and on the subject of Nakajima. He's really improved over the last few races. Espically in Monaco. He's usually the driver causing the carnage, but last week, he kept he's nose clean, or on, in race terms.
Deffinetly, the less experienced F1 drivers are struggling a bit, maybe due to no TC creating a steaper learning curve. Sutil, Piquet, Glock, and prephaps the 2 STR drivers. But they're hard to judge, have struggled. While Nakajima seems to have really picked himself up.
But I guess we must wait and see to.

Its interesting to see you feel Kubica and Kovalinen will rule the show. If Kovalinen can break his unlucky streak he should provide some serious competition both during qualifying andt he actual race, but I have a feeling Kubica will be pushed back by the Ferraris and McLarens (with the McLarens leading up front of course :D)

It's interesting that Webber has picked up the best-of-the-rest placing for the last few rounds. previously it's been Ferrari-McLaren-BMW-Webber-the-rest.

And that he does it in a Red Bull of all cars. Move aside Wiliams, move aside Renault, move aside Honda, Toyota, etc.

Also interesting that he's managing to scrape in as the last person under 1 second behnid the fastest consistantly too...

Its interesting to see you feel Kubica and Kovalinen will rule the show. If Kovalinen can break his unlucky streak he should provide some serious competition both during qualifying andt he actual race, but I have a feeling Kubica will be pushed back by the Ferraris and McLarens (with the McLarens leading up front of course :D)

Well, its a mix between hopeful and what it will probaly be.
I think Massa will have the upper hand on Kimi, since I'd say his style involves being gutsy with breaking, and breaking is important when the straights here are so long. But then again, I could always be wrong

But seriously. If you've seen Kubica around here, you'd bet on 2nd place for him. It'll be a case of Australia again. Where he pulls a light fueled lap from nowhere.

Well, its a mix between hopeful and what it will probaly be.
I think Massa will have the upper hand on Kimi, since I'd say his style involves being gutsy with breaking, and breaking is important when the straights here are so long. But then again, I could always be wrong

But seriously. If you've seen Kubica around here, you'd bet on 2nd place for him. It'll be a case of Australia again. Where he pulls a light fueled lap from nowhere.

Hamilton won here last year remember, and I'm expecting big things from him again. I am adament now Massa has settled into things in F1 he is a better driver than Raikkonen, and a better press speaker. This race is going to be so unpredictable from the start - there are a number of drivers who could take first, but I know which one I'm hoping for...Hamilton. :)

"better press speaker" lol. Nice one

But I'm unsure whether STR will take part in quali are all now.
Vettel ran his car into the wall of champions, and wiped out both side wheels. Then Bourdais ended up hitting the same corner, breaking his rear suspension.

Bourdais' car should be Ok to fix. But with no T car this year, I wonder can they fix vettel's car before quali. I guess it depends how bad the damage was.

also, have they not done somthing about the wildlife probelm on the track yet
http://www.formula1.com/photos/597x478/tvimages/2008/canada/satpic13.jpg

Wild Squirrels are a bit harder to control than domesticated dogs, methinks. Pretty crazy still, maybe the animals are fighting back! lol

Very nice to see Williams P1 and P5, even if they were Q2 simulation runs. Hopefully this pace puts them behind the BMWs at the worst.

Hamilton was ridiculous when I watched practice two, but I was also pleased at Webber's (lucky) placing.

Well quali is over, and it looked like a complete and utter wash out from Hamiliton. Only Kubica got remotly close.
I honestly couldn't get this. 9 tenths faster than Kimi and over a second faster than Massa and his own team mate Kovy.

Then it hit me. Both Ferrari's and Kovy are clearly on 1 stops, and for good reasons to.
Last year the track starting breaking up during the race, and we ended up with 4 safety cars. The track is already breaking up, theres no TC and there will be most likely more than 4 safety cars this time.

So in that sense, Lewis is at a huge disadvantage here if the others are most likely one stopping. Since the safety cars will not allow him to pull the gap he needs to stay ahead.
So basically, my money is on Kimi winning tommorrow.

I wasn't happy with Qualifying today...

First off, I thought that the Ferraris were having WAY too much trouble coming out of the second sector, and that the track marshals didn't completely clean the tight hairpin corner (Where Kimi was running most of the sessions, it was still VERY grainy). Second, WHY was Massa feathering the throttle coming off of that corner??? I understand that if he didn't feather it he would've spun, but at least feather a bit and then drop the throttle, don't just lift THEN gun it.

Secondly, I wasn't very pleased with BMW Sauber. I thought that they were better than that (although Kubi did a great job on his last lap). Where was Heidfeld relative to his teammate??? Was he carrying a metric ton of fuel onboard? His pace was ridiculously slow compared to Kubi's, and I can't believe that he couldn't pull himself out of eighth.

On a lighter note, Jarno showed us that he has hopes as a drifter with all the spinning that he did...:D

My race predictions look like this:
1. Kimi
2. Kubi
3. Massa
4. Hamilton
5. Kovi
6. Heidfeld
7. Barrichello
8. Trulli
9. Glock
10. Rosberg

Any excuse sonicadg! Hamiltons crew are smarter than you think, and I'm expecting him to lead tomorrow.

Compare these quali times, to those of Monza last year. You'll get the picture.
;p

Compare these quali times, to those of Monza last year. You'll get the picture.
;p

Yeah but I think if Hamilton had less fuel than the other drivers he'd be alot further ahead than a few parts of a second, and I'm willing to bet the majority of that was skill. Hes the most adventerous in his technique out there, and it paid off.

Looking at those results, Hammy has less fuel! Alonso's not really far of Kimi is he! Nice one from Kubica as well =)
What happened to Jarno!

I love and respect you for being a Ferrari supporter, but I have a few "bones" to pick with you...

1. The Force India is NOT the slowest car on the grid. The RA108 (HONDA) is the SLOWEST car in a straight line...The Force India has shown good pace for a new team, and they have two quick drivers...

2. The reason the Indianapolis GP was canceled was because it wasn't making enough money after the whole "tire" scandal in 2005...That's why they chose not to come back to teh US and A

Whoa, back the bone picking truck up here.

1. FI is the slowest car on the grid, they, along with SA literally competed with starting on the last 2 rows each and every week up until SA went broke. Honda is much faster than FI, there is no doubt in my mind. Just because it might not be the slowest car in a straight line, doesn't mean its not slow. We aren't doing drag racing here, there are turns. (and I wouldn't doubt FI running low down force setups) The only "good" race for FI was the Monaco race, and that was circumstantial. I am not saying Sutil isn't good nor am I saying Giancarlo can't go fast (he has won before) I just think the car they are running with are solid back markers for EVERY Q session, and run in the bottom half of the field during races. Heck, if there weren't any mechanical problems or crashes for other cars, they wouldn't ever get past 15th on the grid. ANd before you say I am a hater, after Ferrari, my 2 favorite teams were FI and SA. Now its just FI.

2. The F1 farce was a contributor, but there were internal problems with Tony George and his staff. He could have done MUCH more to attract F1, but he doesn't think it matters much apparently. This is the same guy, who nearly singlehandedly destroyed American open wheel racing. Eliminating F1 racing is nothing new to him ruining all the fun. Now all we got is a MotoGP race at Indy.

Well the way both Ferrari drivers are talking. They're not set for a 1 stop.
Apparently neither driver could get any driver could get any drive out of turn 10 at all.

Heres somes quotes


Kimi
It's unbelievable how much time I lost at turn 10, lap after lap. The track was already beginning to break up in Q1 and I had no drive: it was like driving on ice and I never managed to find the right line at this point.


Massa
The car was very quick, both yesterday and this morning and, but for the problem which occurred at turn 10, I could definitely have fought for a place at the front. As for the rest, you just have to look at the times: the first and second sectors were very good, while I was losing all the time in the final one.

This really disapointing in my opinion. But I'm guessing that Kovy had similar probelms.
What a strange quali.

1. The Force India is NOT the slowest car on the grid. The RA108 (HONDA) is the SLOWEST car in a straight line...The Force India has shown good pace for a new team, and they have two quick drivers...

Clutch meant in outright pace, not just in straight line speed. Force India are hardly a 'new team', considering their car is a derivative of the old Spyker F8-VIIB. They've just had a poor base car to work with, that traces its origins from the Jordan team.

Rosberg got 5th, Nakajima just missed out on Q3, I hope the outright pace of the Williams is improving, and this isn't just a pre-event to the usual mid season slump!

I was sure that Kubica would grasp pole position in qualifying, but Hamilton once again stunned the crowd and killed off my wish. I really wanna see BMW and the other teams have a fighting chance. Hopefully, it will rain hard.....

LEWIS, LEWIS, LEWIS [-X.



Thats all I am going to say :|.

LEWIS, LEWIS, LEWIS [-X.



Thats all I am going to say :|.

Must admit, im a big Hammy fanboy, but that was an embarrasingly rookie-esque error.

Hats off to Kimi for not twating him in the face!!! Very calm from the ice man, even though he had just been innocently punted out of the race.

Oh well Kimi, what goes around comes around! :D

Must admit, im a big Hammy fanboy, but that was an embarrasingly rookie-esque error.

Hats off to Kimi for not twating him in the face!!! Very calm from the ice man, even though he had just been innocently punted out of the race.

Oh well Kimi, what goes around comes around! :D

The thing I'm annoyed about is Hamilton took my main man Kimi out :mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BTW KUBICA FTW :D:p !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm £5 richer now :D !!!!!!!!!!

The thing I'm annoyed about is Hamilton took my main man Kimi out :mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awwww didums!

And Kimi did what last race?

.... exactly....

Awwww didums!

And Kimi did what last race?

.... exactly....

That was accidential or shall I say a 'damp part of the track', Hamilton's was just downright stupid :).

That was accidential or shall I say a 'damp part of the track', Hamilton's was just downright stupid :).

Both accidents imo. Hammys was more embarrasing though!

Stupid M***** F****** Hamilton
:mad::mad::mad::smt076
He took off my Flying Finn....and then he played it off as though nothing happened!

Kubica and Heidfeld FTW!!!
:D:D
Grandpa Coulthard FTW!!!
BMW SAUBER FTMFW!!!

Who saw Massa's ridiculous pass??/

Two words for that: EPiC WiN

Trulli and Glock drove a good race, as well as Barrichello.

Regarding Hamilton though, all that can be said is:
OWNED.
I hope he enjoys being investigated by the FIA....
I'm still quite bitter about Kimi being taken out...

Congrats to Kubica for 1st win, and the points lead! Too bad he couldn't do a Polish victory lap. Kudos to Heidfeld and BMW for excellent pit strategy for 2nd.

Congrats to BMW for 1st win; and 2nd in constructor points(20 ahead of Mclaren)!

Congrats to Coulthard for podium!

Both Toyotas in the top 6; and Massa maintains Ferrari's constructor lead.

I'm amazed that someone can be almost a Champion and still drive like a rookie so often.

Poor Hami. I think he lost the brakes and the car slipped and went onto Kimi. I think it's a FOUL that the pitlane was closed. After 3 secs the red light turned green. How lame.

By the way i'm really happy with BMW. Kubica won the race and Heidfeld finished second. What a great race for BMW. And guess what. Kubica has the most points at drivers championship.

Kubica 42
Hami 38

:)

Coulthard finished third. Good race from the grandpa (as Ferrari 308 mentioned;))


Good race nevertheless.

I'm amazed that someone can be almost a Champion and still drive like a rookie so often.

Dude,


You do realise you have rubbed salt into an open wound with that don't you :| ?????

BMW has finally arrived with their maiden win and a 1-2 as well. I've been waiting for them to meet their season goal very enthusiastically. Just to think that Kubica won at a track that he had a severe wreck last year is absolutely amazing. I like how Bob Varsha said, "This track owes Kubica."

Stupid M***** F****** Hamilton
He took off my Flying Finn....

Regarding Hamilton though, all that can be said is:
OWNED.
I hope he enjoys being investigated by the FIA....
I'm still quite bitter about Kimi being taken out...


Just noticed something, change the words in bold to:
Kimi
German
Kimi
Sutil

And you get the reaction to the Monaco race!!

Anyway, the rest of the race apart from this Hamilton-Kimi shunt (which Rosberg was also involved in btw but no one mentions that!).

KUBICA!!! Has been coming for a while and he thoroughly deserves it, as do the guys at BMW. Seems like Montreal is becoming a track for new stars to begin to shine! Im thrilled for the Pole, he has been fantastic all season and has narrowly missed out on a win before so it is great to see him finally make it on to the top step. Yes, circumstances resulted in him having the opportunity, otherwise he would have been 2 steps down on the podium, but nevertheless he fully deserves this win. Hope this is the beginning of many more to come from Kubica, hes got talent, major talent. Hehe, what were you saying Kubica?: “Canada is one of my favourite tracks, from 2006 already, but I don’t think we have the pace to win here,” Kubica added

Also massively pleased for Nick, he has been struggling quite a lot this season due to him not being able to heat his tyres as effectively as his younger teammate, so to see him up there is a great boost for him, hopefully he will use this and aim to build upon it in France. Weather he let Kubica past because of BMW wanting to secure the win, or weather he decided to let him go on his own it doesnt matter, he drove well today and im chuffed to see him on the podium.

Not as chuffed though, as i am to see ol' Coulthard up there!!! What a race for him, if you would have said to me on Friday that the scot would be on the podium i would have laughed you out of the room! Yet even with problems he nursed the Red Bull home to secure his first points this year and a fantastic podium aswell. Congrats David!

Fantastic drive from the Toyota boys, Glock in 4th and Trulli in 6th, but Trulli could have been higher if Glock hadnt have blocked him coming out of turn 2 and let Massa through. Still, nice points for Toyota.

Massa drove well, just kept on pushing, nicked a place when he could, stole two when a Honda and McLaren got into a scrap into the hairpin! What a pass that was!! After all the "Massa hasnt got the pace to contend for the title over Kimi" talk, hes sure doing a damn good job proving them wrong! Hes currently 2nd in the championship, tied with Hammy. Go get em Massa!! I would actually LOVE to see him win it, hes a brilliant driver and seems like such a great guy with a lot of character. I dont think he will, i still think Kimi will make it 2 WDC's this year, hopefully im wrong and Hamilton gets his first WDC but if Hammy doesnt win it, then i want Massa to get it. COME ON MASSA!!!!!!

Nice points for Barrichello and the Honda team, was looking much better for them at one point, 6th and 7th, (and at one point Barrichello was 2nd! IN A HONDA!!!) but strategies either make or break your race and in this case it really didnt help them at all.

Kovy was (once again! Grr!! :mad:) unlucky. Im really frustrated that he just doesnt seem to get any luck at all going his way. Hes a great driver, and one day he will have his time to shine, i just wish it was sooner rather than later! Keep your chin up Kovy, your time will come!

Rosberg's race was effectively ended the moment he went into Hammy. But before that he was going strong in 4th and was looking good for some serious points here. Unfortunately he had a shunt and it was really never going to happen for him from then on. Another driver who seems to be plagued by bad luck and things just not going right for him. I would desperately want to see him in a top car (or even better, for Williams to make some serious development and get to the front) because he is a class driver and has the ability there to really challenge for wins. Weather or not he is capable of winning a championship is yet to be seen, but a race winner he definately is.

Another word about the ever struggling Nelson Piquet. As soon as i saw a Renault parked neatly by a wall, i knew it had to be you. I said it in Monaco, i think i said it before that aswell, you have to step your game up. I know coming into F1 is not an easy thing, and being the son of a brilliant driver doesnt help the expectations that are inevitably going to be placed upon your shoulders, but you simply have failed to deliver anything so far. Kovalinen last year picked himself up after his disasterous Melbourne debeut, and from Canada to Brazil scored consistent points. This is your target. Forget the dream of a podium, forget 4th 5th and 6th while your at it, just concentrate on getting a point or 2. Your not in a terrible car, yes it sure isnt a Ferrari, but its capable of scoring points on the day. If you dont start getting some good points on the board, i would be very concerned about where you will be carreer wise in 2009, because at the rate you are going, you wont be at Renault and its looking doubtfull weather you will be in a driving seat in F1 at all.

Eventfull race, some bad moments (Hammy :o) and some better moments (Kubica win, DC podium) but all in all a very memorable race and it has sure blown the championship battle wide open!

ROLL ON FRANCE!!! :D

Stupid M***** F****** Hamilton
:mad::mad::mad::smt076
He took off my Flying Finn....and then he played it off as though nothing happened!

Kubica and Heidfeld FTW!!!
:D:D
Grandpa Coulthard FTW!!!
BMW SAUBER FTMFW!!!

Who saw Massa's ridiculous pass??/

Two words for that: EPiC WiN

Trulli and Glock drove a good race, as well as Barrichello.

Regarding Hamilton though, all that can be said is:
OWNED.
I hope he enjoys being investigated by the FIA....
I'm still quite bitter about Kimi being taken out...


Ferrari, shutup, its incredibly obvious how much hatred you hold towards Hamilton and you don't need to parade it about in some kind of show.

Regarding the race, Coulthard was my driver of the day - excellent effort and great to see him with a podium finish. I would've liked to see more from Kovalinen.

It was interesting hearing about Raikkonens use of bad language in Brazil - not exactly a great booster for Ferrari.

Alonso did well up until his spin - I was dissapointed with Piquets effort, however Nakajima put up a great fight.

With regards to BMW, the 1-2 finish was surely a historic day and proof BMW can win this (although the circumstances did yield some exceptional occurences).

Yeah, BMW WINS!!11 FOOK YEAH!! Congratulations to Kubica, Heidfeld and Coulthard!!!
:)

Toyota is getting their act together, how about Honda??? :(


When I saw Hamilton hit Kimi, I was a bit hopeful for BMW but at the same time, I felt sorry for those in the accident. Best of luck to them, and all the drivers and teams in Formula 1.....

EDIT: Today was my first time watching live F1, quite exciting!!! I couldn't get away from the TV (unless commercials came).

Can someone clarify if the next few races aired in the US will be on FOX again????? Because I watched it on FOX, SPEED was busy with Moto GP.....

I' m not trying to make a scene of it or anything, I'm just voicing my anger at Hamilton for making a rookie mistake, and then acting so cavalier about it. I voiced my anger in the hope that someone would see things in the same way as I do...Regarding Coulthard, he had a great race, and even though he made a couple of mistakes, he still held it together and drove well enough to finish.

I' m not trying to make a scene of it or anything, I'm just voicing my anger at Hamilton for making a rookie mistake, and then acting so cavalier about it. I voiced my anger in the hope that someone would see things in the same way as I do...Regarding Coulthard, he had a great race, and even though he made a couple of mistakes, he still held it together and drove well enough to finish.

He apologised to Raikkonen which is what he should have done.

I' m not trying to make a scene of it or anything, I'm just voicing my anger at Hamilton for making a rookie mistake, and then acting so cavalier about it. I voiced my anger in the hope that someone would see things in the same way as I do...Regarding Coulthard, he had a great race, and even though he made a couple of mistakes, he still held it together and drove well enough to finish.

What did you want him to do? Try and repair Kimi's Ferrari? Say to Kimi: I think mines working, you want to borrow it?

He appologised and put his hands up that it was his fault. What more do you want? Hes done pretty much identically what Kimi did 2 weeks ago and you seem to forget that.

I' m not trying to make a scene of it or anything, I'm just voicing my anger at Hamilton for making a rookie mistake, and then acting so cavalier about it. I voiced my anger in the hope that someone would see things in the same way as I do...Regarding Coulthard, he had a great race, and even though he made a couple of mistakes, he still held it together and drove well enough to finish.

Dude

Don't make the Brits angry by criticising Hamilton :p !!!!!!!!!!!!



Wrong thing to do, he is like God too them afterall they only have soccer players to look upto so can you blame them lol ?????


Hence why I have a great admiration for Jarome Iginla there is no sports personalities in this country I really admire :|.

I' m not trying to make a scene of it or anything, I'm just voicing my anger at Hamilton for making a rookie mistake, and then acting so cavalier about it. I voiced my anger in the hope that someone would see things in the same way as I do...Regarding Coulthard, he had a great race, and even though he made a couple of mistakes, he still held it together and drove well enough to finish.

Didn't Nakajima make the same mistake at the same time. I highly doubt that if two drivers make the same mistake within 10 seconds of each other its that much of a big deal.

It seemed like a good race overall. I was excited for Webber for a while but I missed what happened to him. I must admit I was a bit distracted by a few other things going on right now.

Hes done pretty much identically what Kimi did 2 weeks ago and you seem to forget that.

Kimi snatched a brake under wet conditions, Hamilton didn't understand what red meant in the context of a light. Even *I* can understand traffic lights on the road. Nothing identical about it.

Dude

Don't make the Brits angry by criticising Hamilton :p !!!!!!!!!!!!



Wrong thing to do, he is like God too them afterall they only have soccer players to look upto so can you blame them lol ?????


Hence why I have a great admiration for Jarome Iginla there is no sports personalities in this country I really admire :|.

What? You cannot deny Hamilton has talent, and he is British so of course I'm going to back him.

Get in there Kubica. Honestly. Think about this. He's got a slower car than all of the other title contenders. Yet he still leads the world championship by 4 points, a 1/3 of the way in.
Just think about that, its incredible. I think its about time people start comparing Kubica to the likes of Scumacher and Senna.
Well, actually, thats not fair. Kubica is a totally different driver, and after today he has my full support along side Massa.


Also. A worthy mention for Barrichello, a true fighter. It was a seriously good race from him, when you consider how much Button struggled. To get into the top 10, and then finish 7th. Barrichello really has found his way in F1 again.

Also. Vettel, from last to 8th. Another great drive. It seemed to come from nowhere to, and to hold of Kovy, was another great achievement. Vettel is really proving that he's matured so much.

Sutil was running really well today to. He was right on the tail of the Toyota's and staying there to. He really could've scored, but it wasn't to be.

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Now of course for the Hamiliton inncident. Of course, I could be quick to yell "moron" But no. Year after year, driver mess up at those lights. Last year it was Fisi and Massa, and the year before it was Montoya. Which I personally find strange.
I seriously think those lights at Canada are messed up. Even when watching the footage, they are quite hard to see.

But heres what my Dad said after he hit Raikkonen "Karma" ROFL


But my man Massa. What a race. If it hadn't been for yet another re-fueling error, he could've reached a podium. But Massa is fanatastic when the odds are against him. That move on Kovy and Barrichello was the best overtaking move I've seen for ages. It was from so far back, and to take two cars as well without contact or forcing his way past. It was a great race.
Now that he's tied with Lewis, and only 4 points of Kubica, all he needs is a good race at France to take the lead of the champioship for the first time. Then after that, its very possible he'll take it. Oh its so close.


But DC. That was his miracle performance of the year. Which have become a yearly thing actually. DC always seems to find a race where he's utterly brilliant, despite probelms.
In 06, Monaco, 07 Spain, and now Montreal.
What next year, Red Bull's first win ;p

Kimi snatched a brake under wet conditions, Hamilton didn't understand what red meant in the context of a light. Even *I* can understand traffic lights on the road. Nothing identical about it.

Kimi made an error which cost someone their race.
Hammy made an error which cost someone their race.

Both are incidents, they should be treated as such.

He saw it late, or forgot about it (who wouldnt, youve got bigger things to think about) but saw it too late and had nowhere to go.

Why arent the same people moaning at Rosberg for ending Hamiltons race? He didnt stop for the red light either and ploughed into the back of Hammy! Im sure he wouldve been fine with a front wing replacement but Rosberg hit him from behind and ended Hammys race.

Can you imagine if Hamiliton did continue though. His race was over before rosberg hit him anyway, but they're would be a pretty big uproar if he continued and Kimi didn't.

What? You cannot deny Hamilton has talent, and he is British so of course I'm going to back him.

After today's 'great' driving yeah he his a great talent :rolleyes: !!!!!!

I don't support a driver because of his nationality, I support a driver because I like his style of driving !

I don't like Hamilton because he reminds me of Schumacher (I hated him btw !) and I am sick to death of all the Hamilton's great, hamiltons this, Hamiltons that from ITV :mad: !!!

Lets get it right, I have said this before and I will say it again people say Hamiltons an amazing talent but after todays showing I beg to differ !!!!!!

Surely someone of Hamiltons 'greatness' wouldn't make a mistake like like that ?????

Wether you like it or not he was abit too eager and why was it Kimi & Kubica stopped but Hamilton couldn't ????

So much for criticising his dads driving eh ?????

After today's 'great' driving yeah he his a great talent :rolleyes: !!!!!!

I don't support a driver because of his nationality, I support a driver because I like his style of driving !

I don't like Hamilton because he reminds me of Schumacher (I hated him btw !) and I am sick to death of all the Hamilton's great, hamiltons this, Hamiltons that from ITV :mad: !!!

Lets get it right, I have said this before and I will say it again people say Hamiltons an amazing talent but after todays showing I beg to differ !!!!!!

Surely someone of Hamiltons 'greatness' wouldn't make a mistake like like that ?????

Wether you like it or not he was abit too eager and why was it Kimi & Kubica stopped but Hamilton couldn't ????

So much for criticising his dads driving eh ?????

I understand where you're coming from, and I agree entirely. ITV is ALWAYS "The Lewis Hamilton Show," and it really bugs me. All I ask for when I watch F1 is unbiased commentary (and love towards Force India)(:D). Regarding Schumacher, I loved him because he was a very emotional driver, and the commentators always raved about his greatness because he had proven his greatness (After his 2nd WDC). Hamilton may have had a breakthrough season last season, but he hasn't lived up to the hype that was spread about him.

After today's 'great' driving yeah he his a great talent :rolleyes: !!!!!!

I don't like Hamilton because he reminds me of Schumacher (I hated him btw !) and I am sick to death of all the Hamilton's great, hamiltons this, Hamiltons that from ITV :mad: !!!

Lets get it right, I have said this before and I will say it again people say Hamiltons an amazing talent but after todays showing I beg to differ !!!!!!

Surely someone of Hamiltons 'greatness' wouldn't make a mistake like like that ?????

Wether you like it or not he was abit too eager and why was it Kimi & Kubica stopped but Hamilton couldn't ????

So much for criticising his dads driving eh ?????

Can i order a change of tune please? This songs been played to death.

I can't stand Hamilton either, but if it wasn't for fubar pit stop (did anyone notice it was 10.3 seconds compared to everyone else's 8 second stops?) he would have sailed on to an easy victory. Of course, I'm glad he messed up and we had a hell of a race on our hands.

I am so glad to see BMW win a race, especially with a 1-2 finish, that is how it is done, and it shows that if either Ferrari or Mclaren miss a beat, they will take the opportunities.

Overall, some good racing from them that reminded me of the Schumacher - Barrichello days, where Schumi had to open up a huge lead in order to stay in front.

Bad news for Renault, where Alonso was headed for a 3rd place finish until he lost it. Alonso might be an aggressive driver, with a now-aggressive strategy, but maybe he should think about toning it down a little and trying to finish in the points?

A lot of bad luck all across the field though, except for the BMW's, DC, and Rubens. I think nearly everyone had something go wrong during the race.

On a side note, when did Canada become an exciting GP?!

Kimi made an error which cost someone their race.
Hammy made an error which cost someone their race.

Both are incidents, they should be treated as such.

He saw it late, or forgot about it (who wouldnt, youve got bigger things to think about) but saw it too late and had nowhere to go.

Why arent the same people moaning at Rosberg for ending Hamiltons race? He didnt stop for the red light either and ploughed into the back of Hammy! Im sure he wouldve been fine with a front wing replacement but Rosberg hit him from behind and ended Hammys race.

- The Nazis invaded Russia and were pushed back, the USA invaded North Korea and pushed back. See, simplifying events down to the minimum possible really works and tells the full story. (/sarcasm if needed) The events were quite different in reality.

(and yes I am aware, Godwin's law has been invoked)

- Bigger things to worry about yeah... like looking at the road in front of him, there were two stationary cars parked up, but yeah, he probably had bigger things to worry about, like a itchy nose or something.

- Because, and I'm sticking my neck out here, Hamilton's race was already over? He was already firmly inserted up the derrière of a Ferrari, usually considered terminal.

But yeah, you have a good point, Rosberg looked just as rookie like as Hamilton, but as Hamilton is one of the leading drivers in the championship he's obviously gonna be under greater scrutiny.

Can i order a change of tune please? This songs been played to death.

Gotcha, you stop the fanboy tune and he stops his tune? Cause he has as much of a right to air his views as you do. And in the end if you think he's out to aggravate you, then don't feed the trolls.

My thoughts on the Kimi-Hamilton-Rosberg incident:

1. From seeing the footage their should have been enough time to see the light and brake to be right behind either Kubica/Raikkonen.

2. Both Kubica and Raikkonen had a 50/50 chance of being rear ended as they were side by side. Interestingly Raikkonen got the short end of the stick. Could this be a sign of bad luck or on purpose? We just don't know the answer to it and probably never will. I'm just going to say I think it was bad luck.

3. After Hamilton collided with Raikkonen a domino effect took place with Rosberg doing the same to Hamilton. Now I don't know about those guys but when an good sized object is in my path while driving I hit the brakes. For some reason this didn't come into consideration when you see two F1 cars at a dead stop at the pit lane end.

Article from Formula1.com concerning the penalty for the collisions in the pit lane.

Hamilton and Rosberg penalized for pit-lane collision

McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton and Williams’ Nico Rosberg will drop 10 places on the grid at the next round of the championship in France as penalty for their pit-lane incident in Canada.

Hamilton ran into the back of Kimi Raikkonen’s Ferrari, which was stopped at a red light at the pit exit. The resulting damage put both men out the race, with Hamilton admitting he had not seen the light in time. Rosberg then ran into the rear of Hamilton’s stricken McLaren, but was able to rejoin the race, despite damage to the front of his Williams.

Commenting on the incident, Hamilton said: "As I exited the box, I saw two cars jostling for position ahead of me in the pit lane. Obviously, I didn't want to get involved in their tussle, and was trying not to do so, and then all of a sudden they stopped. And by the time they'd come to a halt, it was too late for me to avoid them. It's just unfortunate when stuff like this happens, but I have no argument with the stewards.”

"There's not much I can say," was Raikkonen's reaction. "My race was ruined by Hamilton's mistake. Obviously, anyone can make mistakes, as I did two weeks ago in Monaco, but it's one thing to make a mistake at two hundred (miles) per hour but another to hit a car stopped at a red light. I am not angry because that doesn't achieve anything and does not change my result! I am unhappy, because I had a great chance of winning."

I have officially demoted Hamilton from "wonder Bread" to just "yeast" not even a cooked bread yet.

Oh man Karma does suck does it not, and yes it is racing, people get over it, I would be the first to jump and go all out of Hamilton, but lets face it, Kimi killed Sutils race in Monaco so it is almost the same, both are retarded, one cant see lights, the other cant realize it is wet do not go so fast and then slam the breaks.

Overall great race for the BMW, and Massa had one hell of a race, did you see that two car pass, finally at least one person at Ferrari can kinda drive.


"Yeast"!!!! you drive like your father!!!

On another note,


After this weekend with the whole crumbling track issue, was this the last Canadian GP ???????


The way Bernie's going on he will have no problem with scraping the Canadian GP and giving it to India or another country thats taking an interest :(.

I say screw the canadiands, bring back Estoril or Argentina.

I didn't see the race, so I'm going on a whim here. Hamilton hit one (two) car/s IN THE PITLANE? WTF happened there?!?

Was it too fast or something and he couldn't brake from 50 quick enough or something? It's not likt the car/s in front of him hit something, they would've slowed...

damn yeast...

Williams. Williams Williams Williams. Why did you not warn Rosberg? He was so well placed! After getting in front of Alonso at turn 1/2, he would have come out of the pits in at least 5th or 6th.

Seeing all those cars come into the pitlane like that wasd amazing though!

Rosbet's race was completely stuffed up because of the incident. Had he stopped like he should have, he would have been very strong. I think he would have had to do another stop though, as they brought him in again soon after getting another nose cones possibly to fuel him until the end.

Nakajima is turning into the silent successor. He is slowly but surely ridding himself of the image set in his first race at Brazil last year when he collected a few Williams pit crew. He's not spectacularly quick, but he's getting points. It was unfortunate to see him go into Button, though such is the circuit, and to see the wing lodge under the car was painful to watch.

I hope the Williams form continues into France!

Congrats to Kubica for 1st win, and the points lead! Too bad he couldn't do a Polish victory lap. Kudos to Heidfeld and BMW for excellent pit strategy for 2nd.

I was very happy to see the BMWs win, and a 1-2 of all things! They planned it right, and were perfectly placed to take advantage of the errors and mishaps of others.

Poor Hami. I think he lost the brakes and the car slipped and went onto Kimi. I think it's a FOUL that the pitlane was closed. After 3 secs the red light turned green. How lame.

That is the rule. The red light at the end of the pitlane stays on while the safety car, and all vars behind it, clear the area. This means that the cars rushing in and out of the pitlane do not try and merge with traffic behind the safety car. It's not 'lame', its the rule. It may seem like a silly rule, but it's a rule nonetheless.

What did you want him to do? Try and repair Kimi's Ferrari? Say to Kimi: I think mines working, you want to borrow it?

Hahaha, I liked that last one!

Didn't Nakajima make the same mistake at the same time. I highly doubt that if two drivers make the same mistake within 10 seconds of each other its that much of a big deal.

It seemed like a good race overall. I was excited for Webber for a while but I missed what happened to him. I must admit I was a bit distracted by a few other things going on right now.

'Twas Rosberg. Nakajima has a solid race until he went into the back of Button at the hairpin after Button allegedly went onto the marbles and lost a lot of speed. Going into the pitlane, the front wing came off the nose cone and got lodged underneath the car, rendering the car unsteerable. The helpless Nakajima went into the pit wall on entry.

Webber was a victim of traffic and the prevailing turn of events. His strategy, a two-stopper, didn't work well with the safety car periods.

Kimi snatched a brake under wet conditions, Hamilton didn't understand what red meant in the context of a light. Even *I* can understand traffic lights on the road. Nothing identical about it.

The red light thing at the end of the pitlane under the current saftey car rules are a tricky thing. It's important to remember, though, that the cars are going down the pitlane at 100km/h, and the drivers must have a number of things going on in their head. Therefore the responsibility to remind the drivers of the red light comes down to the team as well. I suspect the Ferrari and BMW guys were on their radios to the drivers about this, but clearly McLaren did not.

Also, these guys have been following other cars all weekend, and Hamilton, possibly unaware of the red light at the end of the pitlane, wouldn't have realised the cars had actually made a full stop until it was too late. I mean, they aren't road cars who have brake lights, and the red light, although bright, isn't something that leaps out at you like traffic lights. I can understand why it happened, but I still think it was an avoidable incident.

Get in there Kubica. Honestly. Think about this. He's got a slower car than all of the other title contenders. Yet he still leads the world championship by 4 points, a 1/3 of the way in.
Just think about that, its incredible. I think its about time people start comparing Kubica to the likes of Scumacher and Senna.
Well, actually, thats not fair. Kubica is a totally different driver, and after today he has my full support along side Massa.

I agree with everything you said, sonic. Kubica is leading the championship, and that is trstimant to how consistently well he is driving. Sure, he has only had 1 win thus, and hasn't looked that close to challenging for wins in the other races, but it's the points that count, and Kubica is right up there.

Massa advantagous move on both Rubens and Heikki was immense! Sure, Heikki's move pushed both cars onto the marbles, but to have that confidence and determination to take both cars in the one corner is simply awesome. And to think that Massa is in championship contention! This is turning into one heck of a season.

Why arent the same people moaning at Rosberg for ending Hamiltons race? He didnt stop for the red light either and ploughed into the back of Hammy! Im sure he wouldve been fine with a front wing replacement but Rosberg hit him from behind and ended Hammys race.

Because he didn't?

Have a look at this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tKZeDGUG78) (it was the best highlight of the race I could find). Go to about 3:30 to see the whole incident. Rosberg pretty much touched the back of Lewis, and the contact didn't even break Lewis' rear suspension. Lewis' race ended because he hit th back of Kimi's car pretty hard (compared to Rosberg).

Also confirmed from news article on f1.com:
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/6/7902.html

So why did Rosberg get a penalty as well? Because he instigated an accident. He was stuck on the exit of pit lane while others went around him as a result of hitting Lewis. He was clearly not planning on stopping, but caught on a but quicker than Hamilton. But nonetheless, he was stuck there, caused an incident, and thus was penalised.

Surely someone of Hamiltons 'greatness' wouldn't make a mistake like like that ?????

Wether you like it or not he was abit too eager and why was it Kimi & Kubica stopped but Hamilton couldn't ????

Well, you seem to hold Kimi in such high regard, but he is also not immune to mistakes and accidents, surely.

As for your other 'question', it was most likely because the Ferrari and BMW teams got on the radio and said 'Hey, listen, red light at the end of the pitlane, ok?', while McLaren didn't.

On a side note, when did Canada become an exciting GP?!

The Canadian GP always brings something new to the table. Last year Massa and Fisichella got disqualified, for example, and the safety car caused field mix ups. It's one of the circuits with great potential to cause mishaps.



2. Both Kubica and Raikkonen had a 50/50 chance of being rear ended as they were side by side. Interestingly Raikkonen got the short end of the stick. Could this be a sign of bad luck or on purpose? We just don't know the answer to it and probably never will. I'm just going to say I think it was bad luck.

50/50 chance? Lewis had no where else to go! Had he turned right, he would have gone into the pit wall! It wasn't bad luck, it was an error on the part of Lewis and McLaren. Kimi was on the outside because Ferrari released him as Kubica was coming down the pit lane, thus both were side by side.

Now I don't know about those guys but when an good sized object is in my path while driving I hit the brakes. For some reason this didn't come into consideration when you see two F1 cars at a dead stop at the pit lane end.

Even if those objects had no brake lights? Even if you were going at 60mph? Even if you don't expect there to be two stationary cars in front of you? Even if you don't expect to have to stop at all? Even if you have another 40-50 odd laps to worry about?

It's simply not as simple as saying that they should have stopped because there were cars in front of them. It's nothing like driving along at 60km/h with signage everywhere.


TBR, you admit to not seeing the race, yet feel it necessary to give a completely incorrect opinion? Nice going.

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This whole Lewis/anti-Lewis thing is ridiculous, guys. Seriously, grow up? It's one thing to not like or like a driver, but to act like this is stupid.

I missed the race. I feel very stupid.

http://www.usask.ca/communications/ocn/06-july-07/images/sad_face.jpg

That picture explains it all.

The way I see the pit lane incident was that, Lewis saw Kubica and Kimi side by side, and didn't want to get involved.
But by doing so he didn't see the red light, and as it was mentioned. These cars don't have break lights, so it's easy to run into the back of someone.

Also. Kubica thanked Lewis in the press conference for not hitting him, and hitting Kimi instead. ROFL.
Anyways, Lewis and Rosberg get a 10 place penalty in france. I can see why though. If it had been raining and on the track, then there's an excuse. But I can understand why they penalised him and Rosberg.

It was great to, the race really overshadowed the whole Mosely thing to.

You know from everyone that I have ever met who have test driven F1 cars, they all say the exact same thing about these cars that impress them the most " these things can brake". I mean these cars go 0-100-0 in like 5 seconds or so, They go from 200mph to 60 mph in 2 seconds, and due to human having two eyes which view path intersects, it is known that we can measure objects moving, distances, or stationary objects. So the only thing that happened here is that "yeast" was not paying attention, when he realized it, he decided to steer away, not brake. thats about all that happened.

Firstly, I am really pleased with the BMW's result! Kubica was due a win, and he got it :D...Heidfeld did look a bit cross, but still, someone's gotta come second! Coulthard in 3rd, sorry, did i miss something, he didn't crash?? Nah, only joking, but a great race from him.
As for Hammy....well, even I know red means red! Silly error really, but if Hamilton's such an amazing driver then it shouldn't have happened! I reckon he made sure he hit Kimi, and Kimi's gesture afterwards was priceless!
It was a shame about Alonso, but we all know how cross he gets when he's stuck behind people! Also, the track was, just, awful, how can they race on a breaking up track??! :O
Apart from that, it was great for the Toyotas, and Reubens! :D Definitely a day for the underdogs!

^Since when do tires start smoking when you steer? Especially front ones? (Edit: Was at Copper S not Cheeky)

Tires smoke do to high friction being created y the actual rubber sliding over the road. Can be done under braking and steering.


on top of that there is no smoke visible of braking anywhere, around, hell there is barely any sign of slowing down.

^I haven't seen it since the actual race but I can clearly remember tire smoke at one point. And yes steering does cause friction which causes smoke but I can't remember another time that can be directly attributed to steering alone.
Than again it might have been Rosberg. Been a bit stressed lately.

Do not be stressed dude, it is very black and white, 'yeast' was not really paying attention to the lights or the cars in front until it was too late, it is human error, these guys do have alot on their minds during a race not to mention fatigue of pulling g-forces all day long, and lets be honest visibility inside an F-1 and a helmet is not the best of things either. Rosberg just went through the same thing, and hit hamilton.

And the reason no one says anything about roseberg is he is not fighting for a championship so who really cares, now if he would have taken out hamilton it would be hell in this place.

The way I see the pit lane incident was that, Lewis saw Kubica and Kimi side by side, and didn't want to get involved.
But by doing so he didn't see the red light, and as it was mentioned. These cars don't have break lights, so it's easy to run into the back of someone.

Also. Kubica thanked Lewis in the press conference for not hitting him, and hitting Kimi instead. ROFL.
Anyways, Lewis and Rosberg get a 10 place penalty in france. I can see why though. If it had been raining and on the track, then there's an excuse. But I can understand why they penalised him and Rosberg.

It was great to, the race really overshadowed the whole Mosely thing to.

Sonic, I am so glad you are bringing logic and understanding to this thread.

Did anyone notice the cars sliding around a lot more, or was that just because I haven't watched a full race since I started working?

So the only thing that happened here is that "yeast" was not paying attention, when he realized it, he decided to steer away, not brake. thats about all that happened.

Why would you not brake? Of course he braked, it was just too late by the time he applied it to avoid anything.

It was a shame about Alonso, but we all know how cross he gets when he's stuck behind people! Also, the track was, just, awful, how can they race on a breaking up track??! :O


Alonso was apparently setting up to pass Heidfeld. Out of the turn, he was trying a different line to try and get him at the chicane at the end, but got onto the marbles and spun it.

Why would you not brake? Of course he braked, it was just too late by the time he applied it to avoid anything.



Yes you would brake, but watch the replays, the car virtually does not slow down, more of he let go of the accelerator pedal, and probably thought he could maneuvers around him. Read an earlier post, you are talking about a car that goes from 200mph to 60mph in 2 seconds, If he wanted to brake he would have. speed limit in the pits is what 100km/h so about 60mph, i see it as a mistake of human error, stop trying to defend it other wise,
I am really trying hard not to say exactly what I think about the man, and go into a war because I promised to not do it. But man promises are made to be broken.

Do not be stressed dude, it is very black and white, 'yeast' was not really paying attention to the lights or the cars in front until it was too late, it is human error, these guys do have alot on their minds during a race not to mention fatigue of pulling g-forces all day long, and lets be honest visibility inside an F-1 and a helmet is not the best of things either. Rosberg just went through the same thing, and hit hamilton.

And the reason no one says anything about roseberg is he is not fighting for a championship so who really cares, now if he would have taken out hamilton it would be hell in this place.

Stress is not related to F1. But it was why I wasn't concentrating 100% on the race and why I don't remember it perfectly.

I have never said Hamilton is a god or anything like that. He is a very good driver in a very good car. I support Mclaren and I do tend to favor the rookies and underdogs as well. (pretty much anyone who isn't driving a red car) So that 3/4 counts as to why I support him.
As far as I can tell we agree on the subject now. Hamilton screwed up, just as everybody else does at some point of the race. It was just he was unlucky enough to end his (and Kimi's) race with it.

i see it as a mistake of human error, stop trying to defend it other wise, I am really trying hard not to say exactly what I think about the man, and go into a war because I promised to not do it. But man promises are made to be broken.

I'm not defending what he did, I'm using logic in my opinion of what happened from a non-biased perspective. Of course it was his bloody fault!

Look at this, especially the view at 2:10:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwOG3gWvJ7g

When he turns he notices that the cars in front aren't going anywhere. When he turns he starts braking. Not a whole lot of space, nor time, to stop.

I'm not saying that he was trying to be a hero and go around them without braking, but logic and instinct would permit that when presented with a situation where unwilling contact is immanent, you try to stop. In this case, like I said before, it was too little to late.

He started braking from 100km/h in the space of 5 metres, how much speed do you think even Formula 1 cars can shed in such a small distance?

50/50 chance? Lewis had no where else to go! Had he turned right, he would have gone into the pit wall! It wasn't bad luck, it was an error on the part of Lewis and McLaren. Kimi was on the outside because Ferrari released him as Kubica was coming down the pit lane, thus both were side by side.

Lewis obviously couldn't turn to his right but there was a 50/50 chance of running into the back of either Kubica or Kimi. I'll accept that it was an error on Lewis and McLaren's behalf. Kimi being alongside Kubica was obvious by watching the race 'nuff said.

Even if those objects had no brake lights? Even if you were going at 60mph? Even if you don't expect there to be two stationary cars in front of you? Even if you don't expect to have to stop at all? Even if you have another 40-50 odd laps to worry about?


It's simply not as simple as saying that they should have stopped because there were cars in front of them. It's nothing like driving along at 60km/h with signage everywhere.


I guess this would be different from driving along at racing speeds with minimal room for overtaking and having to brake to slow down for a much slower car/driver in front of you. These drivers know when they are closing in on an object too fast and what they should do in certain situations.
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This whole Lewis/anti-Lewis thing is ridiculous, guys. Seriously, grow up? It's one thing to not like or like a driver, but to act like this is stupid.

I'm not bashing Lewis just pointing out his serious error he made. Likewise I was not very happy with Kimi shunting Sutil in Monaco a little over two weeks ago. That guy (Sutil) could have had the best performance of his career that day minus the incident taking him out.

I'm not bashing Lewis just pointing out his serious error he made. Likewise I was not very happy with Kimi shunting Sutil in Monaco a little over two weeks ago. That guy (Sutil) could have had the best performance of his career that day minus the incident taking him out.

I said what I said to those who can't seem to have a rational discussion / difference of opinion without resorting to blatant commentary. I like to come on here and talk about Formula 1, not celebrity-esque gossip babble.

'Hamilton shouldn't be in F1 for such a mistake'. Seriously? 'If he's so great than he shouldn't have done that'. He's perfect? Surely we can all just say 'Right. That was silly from Hamilton. Looks like he reacted to late, sucks for Kimi. I guess **** happens, bring on France'.

TIMBIT i think that everyone is saying exactly that, yes he is a moron and pulled the rookie mistake of 2008 probably, but it was still just a human error in judgment. nothing more.

What Hamilton did was a mistake, no-ones denying that. Truth is, he is a better driver than anyone here, and I mean anyone. None of you, no matter what, can beat Hamilton at what he does.

TIMBIT i think that everyone is saying exactly that, yes he is a moron and pulled the rookie mistake of 2008 probably, but it was still just a human error in judgment. nothing more.

You insinuated that he didn't brake, and that he was a lesser driver because of it. I said he did brake, but by the time he realised and got on the brakes, it was too little too late. That's what I'm talking about. I already stated where I stood on this in the big post I already made.

What Hamilton did was a mistake, no-ones denying that. Truth is, he is a better driver than anyone here, and I mean anyone. None of you, no matter what, can beat Hamilton at what he does.

You don't know that for sure.




I would just like to add something, if this was NASCAR, the cars would have been able to keep racing! :D This is one of the things that separates the two series, one is technologically superior but fragile, while the other is a tank, but simple.

You don't know that for sure.




I would just like to add something, if this was NASCAR, the cars would have been able to keep racing! :D This is one of the things that separates the two series, one is technologically superior but fragile, while the other is a tank, but simple.

To spice NASCAR up I suggest tank like features, such as a whopping great gun on the roof of each car.

To spice NASCAR up I suggest tank like features, such as a whopping great gun on the roof of each car.

Not against it at all.

In reference to "salt in old wounds"; deal. Watching "your" driver lead wire-to-wire is only slightly less boring than watching "my"/any other driver do the same. I might fall asleep during either.

No way yesterday. That was a great RACE.

Did this race match a record? Sorry if I missed such commentary.

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"To spice NASCAR up I suggest tank like features, such as a whopping great gun on the roof of each car." -astonmartin138

My late trivia partner with a brain full of US stick & ball trivia numbers considered NASCAR to be the ultimate physical sport. You strap into a 3600 lb. machine and "body check" the other guy. Yours would have been just another dumbazz slam from an ignoramic, aston.

In reference to "salt in old wounds"; deal. Watching "your" driver lead wire-to-wire is only slightly less boring than watching "my"/any other driver do the same. I might fall asleep during either.

Don't worry, I slept until the pitlane incident, then slept again after Kubica crossed the line. Ok, so I got up at 7:30, and the race was on at 3AM, and I had work that night, but if it wasn't for what happened, I would have slept through the whole thing!

Did this race match a record? Sorry if I missed such commentary.


I'm not sure if it did. But it would of been the record for most race leaders.
It ended up at 7 different race leaders. I think that was the last one, not completly sure

I'm going to punt from flawed memory; but I think this race (almost?) tied the '71 Monza record for lead changes.

Almost correct, Monza had 1 more I believe.


Which is another point as to why I enjoy restrictor plate races, almost guaranteed 20 different leaders with 50 plus lead changes.

...I enjoy restrictor plate races, almost guaranteed 20 different leaders with 50 plus lead changes.

My oldest friend and decades-long race bud will NOT watch Nascar, except for the 2 road races. When he heard about restrictor plates; he said, "It's a [sacreligious expletive deleted] silhouette racer! Let it roll!"

He had been to 'Dega... for a 6HR Imsa GT race.