This tread is to acknowledge the Sport of Drifting and the level it has reached. I hope everybody on this website does acknowledge it as a proffesional motorsport because it has reached a very legitimate level of competition and finnese. This weekend it will be Formula D Round 4 at the world famous Las Vegas and what a showdown it will be!!

First off let me introduce the Talented Drivers that currently and have been dominating Formula D here in the U.s.


1. Rhys millen-coming from an eclectic background of racing, small amount of road racing, off-road, Baja, and Rally. Hi is one of the most sought after performance drivers in the gigantic US automotive scene. He has ste class records three years in a row at the Famed Pikes Peak!!


http://www.formulad.com/IMAGES/DRIVER_BANNERS/Rhys-Millen.jpg


Vehicle: Fully Build Pontiac Solstice (E85 Turbo Ecotec 2.0 +450 HP)

2. Tanner Foust- This guy has Been a Hollywood Stunt driver for some time now, Proffesional Rally Driver, XGames Gold Medalist, 2007 Formula D Champion, and is one of the Premiere Time Attack Drivers here in the U.S.

Vehicle: AEM built Twin Turbo 350Z (+550 HP)


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3. Samuel Hubinnete- This guy is a proffesional race car driver, Test Driver for Volvo, and two time Formula D Champion

Vehicle: Mopar built Dodge Challenger (6.1 Hemi V8/Supercharger)


http://www.formulad.com/IMAGES/DRIVER_BANNERS/samuel-hubinette.jpg


4. Tyler McQuarrie- This guy comes from a compreensive history of racing including ALMS, sprint cars, Nascar and has races at an international scale including Europe. He is a Driving Instructor at the Jim Russel Racing school for eleven years,highest number of wins/records in U.S. Time Attack.

Vehicle: JIC/Hankook 993 Porsche GT2 (+600 HP)


http://www.formulad.com/IMAGES/DRIVER_BANNERS/Tyler-McQuarrie.jpg


5. Chris Forsberg- This guy is one of the Pioneers of the east coast U.S. Drift scene, currently sits in a close 3rd place in the standings, hold numerous amounts of podium finishes, he lacks a Formula D championship but if anybody is hungry for it, it sure is this guy

Vehicle: Maxxis-Nissan Titan 5.7 V8 350Z (+400 hp)


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So these are the talented Drivers that define thesport of drifting here in th U.S. The Development and refinement of Furmula D has been so profound that the Japanese have even taken notice and have decided to take part in it! How do the Japanese decide to become involved with Formula D? By Sending over Manabu Orido one of the Motorsport Celebrities in Japan to compete in Formula D. Think of it as David Beckham coming to play in the MLS.

Manabu Orido- Let me start out by saying that the GT500 Racing League in Japan( 500 HP machines with very advanced Body composites and world class aerodynamics) is the Japanese counterpart of the ALMS GT1/2 class.
This guy holds numerous victories in the GT500 league. He has competed alongside the greatest drifters in the world in D1GP and at one point Judged this Dynamic Sport. He has a history of crashes due to his "No Lift, balls out" nature in the sport of Drifting. He has been lifted to the level of celebrity status in the Japanese Culture.

Vehicle: Orido will be Precisely Piloting a Luxury Platform that contains a 3.0L Inline-6 from a Supra. 700 HP:eek:


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All these fine/talented/skilled/elite drivers will be going all out in the Faboulous Las Vegas. Will The U.S. Drifters be able to maintain composure while drifting alongside inches from orido? Will Orido live up to the Legacy of Japanese Drifting Supremacy? Say Hello to a new ERA in U.S. Drifting and may the best man win.

If you consider Ballet and Professional Ice Skating a sport, then drifting is a sport. If you don't, then it's just a buncha people screwin around in cars.

Ice Skating is NOT a sport!

If you consider Ballet and Professional Ice Skating a sport, then drifting is a sport. If you don't, then it's just a buncha people screwin around in cars.

Ice Skating is NOT a sport!
I would say it is. Olympics has them so I'm guessing that is a sport.

I agree, it is a sport and should be reconsied as one. I would love to see one of these avents, it must be awsome to watch. That 993 Turbo looks pretty nice, anyone know what the rules are governing the sport, is there a limit on what car you can have?

I dont think there is apart from it had to be RWD.

I dont think there is apart from it had to be RWD.

What, no AWD drift cars?

The only limitations are you cant be running a F-W-D car converted to RWD, you can run an AWD car converted to RWD. You cant re-position the oem Suspension placement,besides that there is no limitation on make, power, and weight.




If you consider Ballet and Professional Ice Skating a sport, then drifting is a sport. If you don't, then it's just a buncha people screwin around in cars.

Ice Skating is NOT a sport!

i made this thread to display the talent and skill that are powering Formula D, and that the "Ballerina Dancers" are actually highly skilled Drivers who the majority come from Road Racing Backgrounds, and they should be recognized as Highly Skilled and not Ballerinas or Ice skaters.

Drifting isn't a sport..Drifting is a hobby..

There is no way to judge drifting just like there's no way to judge ice skating or dancing..

it's 100% opinion on who they think is the best..

Sure there are things you can do to get better scores..

bigger and better tricks..

but in the end...it's all up to the opinion of 3-5 people..

Not a score, not a definite result..

it's just opinion, therefore it is a hobby.

The only limitations are you cant be running a F-W-D car converted to RWD, you can run an AWD car converted to RWD. You cant re-position the oem Suspension placement,besides that there is no limitation on make, power, and weight.


Me wonders what the heck is a Scion TC doing there then....

You can run whatever you want..

FWD drifting is ass dragging..it's a novelty but nothing to take serious..

AWD drifting is to simple and not as "good looking" it just requires gobs of power and the car corrects itself..

AWD to RWD drifting is funny..cause they crash alot.

But per rules, A FWD car can not be used even if you convert it to RWD.

Never really liked drifting. I too don't consider it a sport. I hardly even consider it difficult. With all these RWD 700bhp monsters and quick steering it doesn't seem very challenging. And the object of it is just to get the most smoke and biggest drift angles. It doesn't particularly look that great either. Watching a street car doing powerslides through a race circuit is much better in my opinion.

Never really liked drifting. I too don't consider it a sport. I hardly even consider it difficult. With all these RWD 700bhp monsters and quick steering it doesn't seem very challenging. And the object of it is just to get the most smoke and biggest drift angles. It doesn't particularly look that great either. Watching a street car doing powerslides through a race circuit is much better in my opinion.


Drifting is relatively easy, what makes it a sport is being able to do it tandem with another driver, it is known as Tsuiso. Thats were the sport emerges when you introduce the element of having another driver doing it inches from you

So ice skating isn't a sport..

but couples ice skating is?

On both PS2 and XBOX there are racing "games." There are also racing "sims."

If you get style/whack points going slower you are not racing. You are gaming.

Like TV wrestling; drift is a show.

Guys, as much as I don't think that Drifting is a sport either, let's appreciate that Powered By Dreams put a lot of work into this thread, the least we can do is not spam it up with arguing over it's classification.

it actually IS a sport, and a really hard one. i bet it is harder than dtm for example, or australian v8 car races or races like that. and yes, there are awd drift cars, skylines.

it actually IS a sport, and a really hard one. i bet it is harder than dtm for example, or australian v8 car races or races like that. and yes, there are awd drift cars, skylines.

Just because something is hard doesn't make it a sport. I would imagine eating an airplane would be very difficult, (some guy DID do it btw) but that doesn't make it a sport. There are people who compete in drawing circles freehand, but that doesn't exactly make a sport either.

With DTM or Australian V8 series, there is a winner, and there are people who do not win because they are not as fast as the person who won. It is very easy to see how well you do against other people because there is a method of unbiased measurement, time. The lower your time, the better you are.

Also, Ballerina's and Figure Skaters ARE highly skilled, so to say that people that slide cars around are more "skilled" is ridiculous.

it actually IS a sport, and a really hard one. i bet it is harder than dtm for example, or australian v8 car races or races like that. and yes, there are awd drift cars, skylines.

I guess you know how it feels to be in a zero-comfort, not-very-ventilated cabin while trying to go 10 tenths every lap while thinking about a number of different things for an hour straight?

You can call drifting a sport, I personally don't agree with that but that's your opinion, but to say that a 30 second drift is harder than driving a high powered, balls out race car for an hour on end is, in my opinion, an oversight.

Drifting at a competitive, professional level in purpose built cars in a sanctioned association with high level sponsors on purpose built tracks is very much a form of Motorsport.

Drifting at a non competitive, non-financial gain-level in modified cars at a track that is essentially a race circuit for all types of vehicles is a hobby.

I love D1 Japan drifting events & have for years. The level of consistency & professionalism that these drivers provide can very much be called a 'sport' level.

Ken Nomura for example is nowhere near a 'hobbyist' when it comes to drifting. He has also been involved in the SuperGT & GT300 series for quite sometime now & is what I would call a Motorsport professional.

He test drives a lot of purpose built cars that eventually find their way into D1 and, whilst being a bit of a clown off the track, takes his profession seriously. And he's just one of many who compete in the D1 series.

Touge is what I would consider more of a hobby as it's usually done on mountain roads at night with no safety measures other than flashing lights at most corners, no sanction or financial gain (sometimes), just bragging rights & respect. It is still very impressive to watch as these drivers are adept & some do have what it takes to compete at a professional level.

It's somewhat indifferent when comparing Touge to D1 as it's still all about closeness, style & speed but it's the D1 teams, programs & car packages & overall appearances that really set them apart.

I also believe this to be one of my better posts of late.

10betters

I also believe this to be one of my better posts of late.

Arrogant and Brash...but true.

As of right now you're the only person who is PRO "Drifting is a sport" that has made a good argument that I can agree with, or at least to see good reasons behind.

So the second someone puts together a program..
puts alot of money together into one idea....
and does something that is judged by a panel..


it becomes a sport?

Looks like interpretive dance is now a sport.

^^^ Nope. Read my post again dude. You're just generalising & trying to make a point. Not working.

no i'm not wes..

I just really didn't read the post..i skimmed...I was framing..
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upon rereading..

i see if you have money..
sponsors...
and a program...with expensive cars built for drifting..

it becomes a sport....



So Drifting is like Yoyo-ing...

because yoyo'ers have expensive purpose built yoyo's...and sponsors...etc etc..
So yoyo'ing is a sport...

as is video gaming..

If you want to see it that way but once again, we're talking about motorsport, not general everyday things that anyone can buy from the corner store & do.

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/761517017.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/nco/car/764359866.html

Well, I wouldn't call craigslist the corner store...but you definitely just BUY a race car...

I'm not saying that I disagree, but I don't think it's the best example.

^^^ You know what I mean though dude. I hope.

It's like saying moto trial isn't a sport cause it's done solo & judged on time & balance. Or like saying FMX isn't a sport cause it can be done anywhere where there's a few jumps.

Comparing motorsport to yoyo'ing is not really smart.

Let's just say that we really like thin pancakes. Good enough?

Bloody hell I hope someone in here gets that

ok..but it's judged on time....

therefore there is a reference point..

you can have all the balance in the world but if it takes you 5 hours to complete...you're not going to win..

however, if a drift judge says "well you're slow, but it looked good" you can potentially win.

why can't it be called a sport JUST because it's different to convential racing, (i.e. the POINT of drifting)?

^^^ Exactly. I'd like to see anyone tell any of the D1 drifters that what they're doing is a 'hobby' or it's not motorsport.

It's a form of motorsport & always will be.

I personally believe that drifting is not a sport because I feel that anything that has to be judged subjectively cannot be a sport. You do not need to judge who wins a race, or who has more touchdowns/goals/points, etc, etc. The true sports, in my mind, are those where the goal is clear enough so that the winner does not have to be chosen by a group of experts.

I think some people don't understand, not being labeled as a sport is not a bad thing. I love mixed martial arts but I don't consider them sports because in the end it's decided by judges. I totally respect the time, effort, commitment, etc that the athletes put out. Being labeled a sport is not a judgment of the validity of the activity, it's merely a classification.

^^^ Ok, so if Drifting, as a sport, was all about, say, 8/10 cars racing at once & overtaking in the turns & having a winner based upon position, would it then be considered, by you or anyone else who doesn't see it as a form of motorsport, a form of motorsport?

Like I said, I'll always see it as a form of motorsport due to the requirements that these drivers go through & due to the strict structure of requirements that these drivers have to meet.

I think some people don't understand, not being labeled as a sport is not a bad thing. I love mixed martial arts but I don't consider them sports because in the end it's decided by judges. I totally respect the time, effort, commitment, etc that the athletes put out. Being labeled a sport is not a judgment of the validity of the activity, it's merely a classification.

But mixed martial arts isn't always up to the judges. If you knock someone out or submit them you win and there is a clear victor. Would THOSE matches be considered sports?

^^^ but in mixed martial arts or boxing, you both go out to knock the other person out, you get a decision by a judge when both men are standing at the end. It would be similar to when in a car race two drivers end with the same championship points, and then it goes to who won more races, then to who lead more laps, etc... until some one comes out on top.

Plus ask any boxer or martial artist who competes they all hate the judges decisions.

JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS A COMPETITION DOES NOT MAKE IT A SPORT PEOPLE.....

Knitting competitions happen..knitting is not a sport...

snuff packing competitions happen, but putting snuff in your nose is not a sport..

end of arguement..gee willikers.


If drifting is a sport, then you have to consider EVERYTHING where there is a chosen winner a sport...simply because there's a chosen winner and money was invested...

^^^ You're going waaaay off the topic of...MOTORSPORT.

You will not sway, win or affect my opinions on this dude. So just let it go.

And do you ever sleep? You're on here more than me. And that's a bloody long time.

I'm on here from about 7am my time..to 9pm.....

That's the joy of having the internet on my phone bruddah...
let's me hit the stock exchange, keep tabs on my income, order parts and equipment for the job...

AND post on SCF ;)

it's 5:47 in the afternoon/evening here.

Sport is an activity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activity) that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. Sports commonly refer to activities where the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determiner of the outcome (winning or losing), but the term is also used to include activities such as mind sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_skill) (a common name for some card games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_game) and board games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_game) with little to no element of chance) and motor sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_racing) where mental acuity or equipment quality are major factors.

As you can see from the many blue underlined clickable (no warranties for what will happen when you click though) are available this was not thought up by me.
Found it in wikipedia, our most reliable of sources, or not, but a general source for that matter. (should have used a dictionary).

From this definition (and some others I found) even picking your nose could be made into a sport.

I consider drifting a sport on following ,merits:

-it is acompetetive activity
-there are competitors to be found who share this first part of the opinion
-a financial platform exists which organises competitive events

I think it were the greek having a large impact on sports as it is accepted by modern day society.
Now these greek were wierd fellows. They occasionally decided that not the guy coming in first was the winner of a running game but the second guy coming over the finish as he sported a better piece of ass.
I'm not in favor of a driver-wet-t-shirt-contest after every race but I would accept a judges opinion on driving skills to decide about who actually won a race instead of sitting at the finish line and looking who came in first.

The races where the first one in wins are easy to judge, winning in drift races in my opinion are however as challenging as performing a perfect run on pikes peak would be.

Except everything in blue, has a clear and definite winner and loser

Here's how I see it, take it how you will - because it differs from person to person:

If you consider figure skating a sport, then so is drifting, because they are, in essence, the same thing. If you don't consider it a sport, then it's not a sport; it all depends on your opinion.

I think it is a sport, but that's just me.

Here's how I see it, take it how you will - because it differs from person to person:

If you consider figure skating a sport, then so is drifting, because they are, in essence, the same thing. If you don't consider it a sport, then it's not a sport; it all depends on your opinion.

I think it is a sport, but that's just me.

HEY! I made this point like a month ago!

^^ the point was made about a year ago as well in a different thread.
Goes to show how well the opinions on this have evolved.

Anyways, whether you consider it a sport or not doesn't change whether or not the majority considers it a sport (except if the majority is 50%+1 of course).

EVO power, I read your post before posting. It's stated in a quite politically correct way but I do just dislike figure skating. I do see it as a sport since you can't just drag someone from the street in the hope this person will do well in a figure skating or drifting competition.

Counterpoint: While you do make a good point about taking practice and skill to be able to be at the level where they are at, I make the counterpoint by saying that you couldn't just take any ol schlub off the street and have him design parts at my job. It would take quite a bit of training, and in all honesty, about the same amount of training that these guys have put in. Now you may say, well anyone can sit at a computer and within 30 minutes be drawing SOMETHING. To which I would reply, I could sit down behind the wheel of their car and produce SOME form of drift. It may not be very good, but I would imagine it would be on par with the level of design your average joe with a half an hour of practice could make. The same goes for any sport though too, you can't just have a person with NO experience of practice and expect them to do well in a sport. This argument can be made for anything, thus making it an invalid argument.

Debate class 102 FTW!

Not a counterpoint at all.
You just confirmed it really.

(actually, I studied engineering and graduated about 10 years ago. I could sit down behind a computer and make some doodles, which is completely beside the point though as I had training and practice more then your average Joe)

So, we already agree that to compete in sports at a high level you need practice, experience and training and your average Joe (or Randy or whatever, just to not always be picking on the Joe's in this world as I know of Joe's reaing this forum ;)) couldn't just have himself grabbed from the sidewalk and go and win.

Isn't that a perfect validation for calling drift racing a sport then?

Ok, it does apply to professions as well. Doesn't apply to actions humans perform naturally nor does it apply to watching sports on television which therefor does not count as participation.

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Thank you NFS, for making drifting an objective sport, the only thing you've done for humanity since HP2.

Basically, if it can be programmed, it's objective. Computers can't handle subjective things yet.

No GerMAN, I didn't prove your point. By saying that EVERYTHING that is to be done well requires practice means that just because Drifting requires practice does not make it sport. My point about designing was that it is obviously NOT a sport, and yet requires much practice and to be REALLY good a natural gift at picturing things in your head, but it is definitly not a sport.

To TBR, yes, computers cannot make subjective arguments yet, but the programmers are taking their subjective arguments and turning them into code which in the video game realm are interpreted as facts.

Video games do NOT equal reality. If your argument was true, every time I killed someone with a bat, or destroyed a block of bricks with my face, I would be paid for it.

I always liked Winter Olympics better than Summer way before my baby sister became a competetive figure skater. She was from GA; far outside the NY/CH/LA Axis. My Dad once told me he wished like hell she had picked a sport that competed against a clock.

If it has "motor" in its name; the SPORT should be about speed! If you get there first; you WIN!

The only limitations are you cant be running a F-W-D car converted to RWD....
But per rules, A FWD car can not be used even if you convert it to RWD.
explain these then.....
http://image.importtuner.com/f/industry-rumors/honda-element-d/1059221+w640+cr1+re0+ar1/0612-itblogs-01-honda-element-driftjpg.jpg
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Once upon a time; C-Sedan and D-Sedan were vibrant garage SCCA race classes. Datsuns and Toyota Corollas did good.

SCCA decreed that C & D Sedan would become GT3, 4, & 5..., with tube frames. 30-40K to start; kiss those garages goodbye. You will never again see an Alfa, a Toyota 2TC, a Ford Pinto, a Mercury Capri, a BMW '02, a Mazda RX-2/3, or a Dodge/Mitsu Colt racing against each other again.

You will most likely see a superlight RWD tube chassis pushrod Mini win its class (again). BORING! SUE ME!

the element comes with awd and the scion is a scion...gayness getswc leeway

Hello here some pics of a couple drift cars that we sponser with our fiberglass products. Since Im not a advertizer here, just a enthusiast I wont include our web site. Thanks Norm
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HAHAHA! That old guy in the last photo is hilarious!

Oh yeah, and thanks for not including your website Norm from Norms Fiberglass at http://www.normsfiberglass.com/

Mice thread, Powered by Dreams. I wonder if Nobuteru Taniguchi will be competing. So many pro race drivers are drifting now.

nice, the last picture is of the infamous Mallet Solstice with either the LS2 or LS7.

HAHAHA! That old guy in the last photo is hilarious!

Oh yeah, and thanks for not including your website Norm from Norms Fiberglass at http://www.normsfiberglass.com/
Thankyou, I didnt want to upset the apple cart here, as I have been on here a long time just lurking and learning. Havent seen the Solstice mentioned much here, which is a shame as its a heck of a sports car, maybe not a muscle car, but its manufactured here in the USA. Yes the old guy is Mallett himself also he has two sons who are very good with the fabrication side Lance and Chuck.

the element comes with awd and the scion is a scion...gayness getswc leeway

Does a STOCK AWD Honda Excrement weigh more or less than 180% of any car named in post #49? A ballpark guess will do.

wesley: I don't know how to differentiate sport and art in things like gymnastics and ice skating. Figure skating used to score 40% from "compulsory figures." I couldn't watch 5 minutes of that running an ice rink. The rest of the world cared less.

A US girl named Janet Lynn, a most gifted freestyler hopeless in cumpulsory figures, couldn't medal in a world championship. After the medal awards; the crowd demanded she stand in the gallery for an ovation. This happened in France!

Janet Lynn was the youngest (at the time?) to pass the the USFA 8th test at the age of 11. She got the bronze at Sapporo '72. She landed on her keister and spun to a stop with a permanent smile on her face. Gold-medalist Trixi Schuba scored 7th in freestyle/1st in figures.

If any Olympian wins other than on time; SOMEBODY will be suspicious because the winner was not "our kind."

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Put "motor" + "sports" together in most of this country and there will be no judges.

Does a STOCK AWD Honda Excrement weigh more or less than 180% of any car named in post #49? A ballpark guess will do.


the element weights about 3500lbs ..

less than most new cars the kids on this site like to call "Sports cars"

p.s.

Why do so many people like the solstice?

I think it looks like schiet, and compared to the Saturn Sky looks like battered ****

^^I used to think the same way, but the Solstice is rapidly growing on me after seeing several of both Skys and Solstices in person. I think I like them about the same now.


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u143/normsf/solsticeracer10.jpg
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And that right there is the nicest Solstice I've seen yet. I'd personally prefer it to ride a bit higher, but that's not too hard to remedy. Kudos to whoever came up with that body work and paint scheme.

Not to happy with the whole military green there on the solstice, but you are right that is a nice looking solstice.

http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2008/03/pontiac-solstice-coupe-2.jpg
http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2008/03/pontiac-solstice-coupe.jpg

Here's the thing though...THAT car, is awesome. The best part is that you can STILL take the roof off if you want to. Add in the fact that with the GXP version you'll still have 260 horsepower STOCK, and this car could be royally awesome. Also, if the drifters want it, at least they won't get so much tire smoke in their face.

Is that for sale yet, or planned to be for sale?



I think all small roadsters should have a coupe version looks so much better.

^^I used to think the same way, but the Solstice is rapidly growing on me after seeing several of both Skys and Solstices in person. I think I like them about the same now.

And that right there is the nicest Solstice I've seen yet. I'd personally prefer it to ride a bit higher, but that's not too hard to remedy. Kudos to whoever came up with that body work and paint scheme.
Thankyou for the Kudos, I supplied the fiberglass panels and they did the paint.
Yes, the 09 coupe is a removable targa panel and is available to order now at your Pontaic dealer. Thanks Norm

Hello I also just finished our newest project a functional hood with 1970 Firebird Formula inlets for fresh ram air and heat extractors. Thanks Norm

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I would say it is. Olympics has them so I'm guessing that is a sport.

Olympics also has dressage which is making a horse dance.... so is that a sport?

the element weights about 3500lbs ..

less than most new cars the kids on this site like to call "Sports cars"...

Is that the weight for an AWD Excrement?

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EVERY review I have read on the Solstice said it was a flexi flyer; meaning bad "cowl shake". I have seen some EEKotech engine innards. I would never bet a payment book on one vs. any Honda or Toy motor.

Is that the weight for an AWD Excrement?

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EVERY review I have read on the Solstice said it was a flexi flyer; meaning bad "cowl shake". I have seen some EEKotech engine innards. I would never bet a payment book on one vs. any Honda or Toy motor.
Hello, well thats the first I have heard of cowl shake in any reviews. The Solstice came out of the box and beat all in its class in SCCA, autocross etc even flipped them in the show Set Up. Has a very stout chassis weighs 2850lbs and the GXp is faster around the track than the Porsche boxer S even according to Road and Track mag. There getting over a 1000hp on the Ecotech at the drag (I admit crazy mod) and stock it puts out almost 270hp, with little mods going over 300 easy. There a lot of drifters using them in all kinds of trim. I dont think there getting cowl shake, yes there using roll cages but you dont see Miatas running LOL. Thanks Norm

Hello, well thats the first I have heard of cowl shake in any reviews. The Solstice came out of the box and beat all in its class in SCCA, autocross etc even flipped them in the show Set Up. Has a very stout chassis weighs 2850lbs and the GXp is faster around the track than the Porsche boxer S even according to Road and Track mag. There getting over a 1000hp on the Ecotech at the drag (I admit crazy mod) and stock it puts out almost 270hp, with little mods going over 300 easy. There a lot of drifters using them in all kinds of trim. I dont think there getting cowl shake, yes there using roll cages but you dont see Miatas running LOL. Thanks Norm

Yeah but let's get serious here, what do YOU know about Solstices anyway? I mean, come on.

Yeah but let's get serious here, what do YOU know about Solstices anyway? I mean, come on.
Hello now that was funny and thankyou Norm

ok..so the question is....do you realize your "heat extractors" are being fed by your "ram air?

it's just a blowby...Lol

I gotta agree drifting isnt a sport. I went to the opening round at Long beach this year and its not that awesome. I mean sure theres a lot of badass cars and you get loads of free stuff but the show really isnt that entertaining. Id rather watch real racing

ok..so the question is....do you realize your "heat extractors" are being fed by your "ram air?

it's just a blowby...Lol
Hello and thankyou, the ram air actually forces air down into a air box chamber becoming a CAI (cold air injection) underneath the hood through the air filter directly into the engine. The first vent is directly over the radiator the second is over the Turbo and the third is additional blowby as you put it. Also the wipers are covered for a cleaner air flow. The cosmetics and styling can be debated all day, but not the actual function. Id rather build something that works and improves performance with some flair. Now back to Drifting. Thanks Norm

What's with all these American drift cars?

Classic...:D
http://www.imcdb.org/images/010/906.jpg
http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/nissan-silvia-s15-741.jpg
http://images.turbomagazine.com/events/0611_turp_12z+mazda_rx7_fd3s+drift_left_ front_view.jpg

Is that AE86 from that Intial Drift film?