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bennyboy
Jul 19, 2008, 1:09 PM
Excellent qualifying session in my opinion, Lewis Hamilton showing the world why he is the form driver at the moment. Some moments of brilliance in that session from him, most notably losing about 2 to 3 tenths sliding the rear at the hairpin and making up the time to go fastest in Q1 (I think) by about 27 hundredths of a second. The lap which got him pole was great aswell, you could see from the on-board replay that he could easily have gone a lot faster, aswell, which bodes well for him tomorrow.
Massa and Kovalainen also did well, making minimal mistakes throughout the qualifying session, Mass and Kovalainen, I have a feeling are running a bit longer to try and jump Hamilton at the pit stops, so that should be an interesting battle.
Raikkonen out of sorts, ending up sixth and over the last few races not really acting like a world champion, I'm guessing a podium is his main aim for tomorrow? A minimum of three places jumped throughout the race; I'm pretty sure he can do that.
Lewis fastest in P1, P2 and I think P3 just shows how fast he is around this track.
I love this track also, when I think of Formula 1, I just think of Hockenheim and Michael Schumacher in a Ferrari; quite possibly the most lethal combination of car, driver and track. Love watching the cars going through the stadium section aswell, very technical and also very fast.
Thoughts for the weekend people?
Venom 1000
Jul 19, 2008, 1:13 PM
I watched the qualifying this morning. There was one corner where they would come right out, almost on to the grass just to save fractions of a second. It was pretty intense:cool:
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Jul 19, 2008, 1:19 PM
Lewis is so cocky..."oo yeah i could have gone faster", well why did you then!
Lets see what tomorrow brings, with Trulli! in 4th & Alonso in 5th I really hope they can keep Kimi behind them..aha :p
My Dad says the atmosphere is really good, and he's doing the grid walk tomorrow, which should be fun =)
bennyboy
Jul 19, 2008, 1:34 PM
I watched the qualifying this morning. There was one corner where they would come right out, almost on to the grass just to save fractions of a second. It was pretty intense:cool:
That's probably the last corner. There's a lot of kerb and asphalt there so the drivers can afford to run out wide from carrying speed into that corner to, as you said, shave fractions off their lap time.
And Cheeky, we'll see if he goes faster tomorrow. :p They'll be pretty evenly matched [Ferraris and McLarens] in my opinion tomorrow. It will be very interesting going off the startline to see what Raikkonen gets up to with Trulli and Alonso. Does anyone remember a few years ago Kimi's rear wing exploded at the end of the straight and catapulted him straight into the gravel and then into the wall?
Oh and Cheeky, I'll give ya £5 if your Dad gets interviewed by any journalist, and £10 if it's by Martin Brundle! :p
Timbit
Jul 19, 2008, 2:54 PM
Why oh why can't Williams increase their pace? They're slipping ever so much! They used to dice with the Red Bulls, now the Red Bull's are laps ahead, together with the Toyotas and the Renaults. Frustrating!
Raikkonen was a tad ordinary, Trulli did well, but I don't know what kind of fuel he has, Alonso looked good too. Vettel looked quick too, and is positively faster than Bourdais at this time of the season! Lastly, great lap from Hamilton, and harsh luck to Kovaleinen with that off at the end.
Nemphis
Jul 19, 2008, 5:59 PM
Well what can I say .....
:o
I can't defend Kimi in anyway other than use the age old excuse of 'fuel load' but I want because there is no point :(.
I think Kimi needs to forget about the championship, other drivers, the pressure and everything else and just focus on one race at a time and get back into the rythem of things because he sure needs too.
I reckon Kovi would have been on pole if it wasn't for the last corner :).
Another thing,
I HATE ITV'S COVERAGE, I'm waiting for the day when James Allen says Lewis Hamilton's walk to the paddock is amazing, everything else Hamilton does seems to be amazing :|.
astonmartin138
Jul 19, 2008, 6:04 PM
Well what can I say .....
:o
I can't defend Kimi in anyway other than use the age old excuse of 'fuel load' but I want because there is no point :(.
I think Kimi needs to forget about the championship, other drivers, the pressure and everything else and just focus on one race at a time and get back into the rythem of things because he sure needs too.
I reckon Kovi would have been on pole if it wasn't for the last corner :).
Another thing,
I HATE ITV'S COVERAGE, I'm waiting for the day when James Allen says Lewis Hamilton's walk to the paddock is amazing, everything else Hamilton does seems to be amazing :|.
For crying out loud Nemphis, for the last time the BBC will do exactly the same for the following reasons:
a) He is British
b) Both ITV and BBC are British
c) The British haven't done well in F1 for a while
d) He is pretty much the fastets guy out there
You cannot deny his talent, and you also cannot deny the fact he has to put up with a lot more bull from the press than basically any other driver when he screws up.
Beaver
Jul 19, 2008, 6:21 PM
Lewis is so cocky..."oo yeah i could have gone faster", well why did you then!
If Lewis does it, its cocky, but if Alonso did it (or Kimi) i doubt you would have mentioned it, or said "love Kimi/Alonso's cheekyness!"
Also, Ferrari say that all the time, so do McLaren, Renault used to when they were winning races. All the teams, if they were doing well, will say "we could have gone faster". He probably could have done.
I actually missed the qualifying, damn work!! But i just watched it on the ITV website. Stunning lap from Hammy to grab pole, he seems to be really quick round here.
Massa also seems fast, it will be a hard fought duel tomorrow between them pair.
Kimi seemed to have set-up problems, maybe he just hasnt found the perfect set up and isnt comfortable to push as hard as he possibly could. We will see tomorrow if he improves because Kimi has a tendancy to be woefull in qualifying, then completely blitz the entire field on race day. He seems to be faster over the long runs, getting into a rhythm, than others. He is gentle on his tyres so he can go for longer too. Maybe this is linked to his sometimes poor qualifying, we know Heidfeld suffers with lack of heat in his tyres, so maybe on qualifying Kimi suffers mildly from this, but as its only slight, he doesnt loose tenths of a second and is still pretty quick, just not as fast as Massa or the McLarens.
Great work from Alonso and Trulli to get infront of Kimi, will be interesting watching Kimi get past them if he doesnt do it off the lights.
Cant wait for tomorrow, will be a cracking race.
Even though he is my driver, and is fast here, i am going for Massa to win it. Maybe on the pit stops.
So it could be:
Massa
Hamilton
Kovy
Kimi
Alonso
Kubica
Trulli
Webber
Should be a great race! GO HAMMY GO!!!!
Nemphis
Jul 19, 2008, 6:33 PM
For crying out loud Nemphis, for the last time the BBC will do exactly the same for the following reasons:
a) He is British
b) Both ITV and BBC are British
c) The British haven't done well in F1 for a while
d) He is pretty much the fastets guy out there
You cannot deny his talent, and you also cannot deny the fact he has to put up with a lot more bull from the press than basically any other driver when he screws up.
Maybe its because I'm not patriotic but I can see that every single race isn't done proffesionally in the sense that the coverage seems to be 60% Lewis 40% other stuff.
Hamilton is too 'press happy' thats the impression I get if he didn't give interviews or he did very little he wouldn't have got half the criticism he got between the canadian & French gp's would he ?????
Frankly its too much ITV should take a leaf out of CBC's (Canada's BBC!) book because unlike ITV CBC on its hockey program 'Hockey Night In Canada' they don't make the program all about Sidney Crosby (Ice Hockey's answer to Lewis Hamilton !) they never talk about Sidney Crosby and how he hits the puck and that its amazing how he does and he outclasses every other player on the ice while is on, they stay professional and give credit where credit is due even if its an American or European player and don't talk about how a game would be if Sidney Crosby was on the ice and how better the game would be.
I still to this day HATE the way the sport is presented on ITV and I only hope seeing has that I HAVE TO PAY for the BBC that its presented more propfessionally, you might like all the attention that Hamilton gets I don't, its all a matter of opinion and I have said it before and I will say it again I don't think Hamilton is that 'amazing talent' sorry I don't.
astonmartin138
Jul 19, 2008, 7:07 PM
I still to this day HATE the way the sport is presented on ITV and I only hope seeing has that I HAVE TO PAY for the BBC that its presented more propfessionally, you might like all the attention that Hamilton gets I don't, its all a matter of opinion and I have said it before and I will say it again I don't think Hamilton is that 'amazing talent' sorry I don't.
If he isn't then Kimi sure as hell isn't...
(I went there)
!ChEeKy GiRl!
Jul 19, 2008, 7:14 PM
Aha, but Hammy is very cocky, I mean, there was an interview with him and Button where Hammy said he was fitter than Button, Button, said, yeah, OK, lets compete in a triathlon.
Next thing Hammy pulls out!
Also, Hammy's lost his driving license to speeding!
astonmartin138
Jul 19, 2008, 7:16 PM
Aha, but Hammy is very cocky, I mean, there was an interview with him and Button where Hammy said he was fitter than Button, Button, said, yeah, OK, lets compete in a triathlon.
Next thing Hammy pulls out!
Also, Hammy's lost his driving license to speeding!
Yeah, I know about the triathlon thing, it would've been awesome to see. I think it was more down to pressure from his dad not to compete than down to him.
Powered by Diesel
Jul 19, 2008, 10:05 PM
Ok, I think Hamilton is an amazing driver, he has raw talent and is very very quick around most tracks. Hopefully, he'll pull off another stunning win like last weekend... so Go Hammy! :D
But, there are some things that annoy me about him, or people around him that take the shine off his 'greatness'.
- His dad. I know its his Dad, and he must be very proud of him. I also know he's his manager or whatever. But, why has he gotta be shown at every grand prix, why do we want his opinion of a grand prix and how Hamilton is doing? He winds me up! I hate the way he trys to compete with Lewis, it looks like he's got something to prove! Bugger off and let him get on with racing!
- His cockyness... humm... I dont think he's doing it to annoy anyone. He is cocky, but so is every other racing driver, its the way they are. Its a mind game in F1 between all the drivers, so I kinda get where people are coming from, but its not just Lewis that doe's it. Schmacher did it all the time...
- The media! They need to stop focusing on his every win and mistake like he's always being watched. Its like they did with Tim Henman... put all this pressure on him and then wonder why he didn't produce a win? Well... duh! I agree ITV's coveridge is annoying, I hate the adverts every 10 seconds, but I hope the crew go over to the BBC, because I like Martin Brundle and the ITV team.
Nemphis
Jul 20, 2008, 9:22 AM
KILL ME NOW :(:o !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a great day to be a Kimi fanboy :(.
EDIT: Timo just crashed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Massa needs to use this to his advantage so does Kimi !!!!
breakFan
Jul 20, 2008, 10:54 AM
Eat that Hamilton haters.
Common', stop embarrassing yourselves, recognize his talent and that, right now, he's by far the best.
Nemphis
Jul 20, 2008, 11:06 AM
^^
NEVER :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kimi, Kimi, Kimi whats happening man ????????????????????
I can't defend that race at all partly because I can't be arsed and partly because I have no defense at all :o:(.
Fx55
Jul 20, 2008, 12:09 PM
Hamilton=FANTASTIC
mclaren_mercedes_f1
Jul 20, 2008, 2:52 PM
HOLY SMACKERS. Renault scored a podium!
*#turbinas#*
Jul 20, 2008, 3:10 PM
^yeah, great thing. It's nice seeing Piquet at the podium. :)
IT was a good race in overall.
I must admit that Hamilton was very fast again.
Good results for BMW too.
Glock had a terrible accident though. Is he ok? I saw him touching his back..
astonmartin138
Jul 20, 2008, 3:55 PM
^^
NEVER :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kimi, Kimi, Kimi whats happening man ????????????????????
I can't defend that race at all partly because I can't be arsed and partly because I have no defense at all :o:(.
Now try and doubt Hamiltons talent. :p
HOLY SMACKERS. Renault scored a podium!
I know - and even more surprisingly, it was PIQUET!!!
mclaren_mercedes_f1
Jul 20, 2008, 4:09 PM
^^ heh... SHAME on Alonso!
Beaver
Jul 20, 2008, 7:21 PM
I almost thought i was dreaming or something when i saw Piquet on the podium, i maybe thought that the FIA had changed the rules and they were just doing the results in random order this time. But surprisingly he actually had got himself into 2nd!
On another note.....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!! Go Hammy!! Stunning drive from him today, all those who says he doesnt have the talent to be a world champion, open your eyes. He was in a different league today, unstoppable. Even when McLaren stuffed up, he had the pace and the confidence to make up the places. Think the move on Kovy was Kovy letting him go, knowing Hammy was faster. The move on Massa, did Massa just forget he was there? Did he think he wouldnt take a run up the inside into a hairpin? Did he forget that Hamilton is one of the best overtakers in the field and would only need an inch to pass Massa? Whatever the reason, he opened the door and pretty much gifted Hammy the place. Move on Piquet was similar, but he put up more of a fight, but still, i dont think anything was going to stop Hamilton today, he was just fantastic.
Brilliant drive from Nelson, I said he would boucne back, and boy oh boy did he bounce! Right onto the second step of the podium! Will only be a one off, like Kovalinens 2nd place at Fuji last year, but at least he has shown he can deliver and has the pace to keep his seat at Renault. Took a while to warm up, but hes got going eventually, lets see where he goes the rest of the season.
Massa was a bit off today, never really looked like challenging Hamilton, but even struggled to keep in touch with the Renault of Piquet. I think if Alonso becomes availiable, Massa's seat may be being looked at by Ferrari. But saying that, so might Kimi's, unless he calls time on his career. In which case Alonso will take Kimi's seat, Massa may be kept in, unless they can prize Kubica out of BMW's hands.
I can see a game of musical chairs coming on!!
Another great drive from Quick Nick. He keeps poping up in these decent points paying positions. Just needs to sort out qualifying.
ANOTHER unlucky weekend for Kovy. Weather McLaren will be looking at his seat in the future is another thing though, because it doesnt seem to be bad driving, it seems to be just plain bad luck of the cards. I really hope we dont have another Mark Webber on out hands here, great guy, quick as hell, but awfully unlucky.
One person who wasnt unlucky, was Kimi, he was just plain bad. No excuses, he was simply poor today. Was miles of the pace, never seemed comfortable, always seemed one step behind Massa and got no where near Hamiltons sort of rhythm. He needs to step up a gear if he is to get back to back world championships.
Vettel doing well in 8th for Torro Rosso. He should be fantastic at RBR next year, i cant wait!
Trulli not doing so well after a promising grid start, and who do we see near him also doing poorly....well its none other than 2 times world champion Fernando Alonso. He must be hating today, getting a whiff of 2007 again, being out classed by his younger, rookie teammate. He needs to get into a winning car again, i dont think he suits being stuck in the midfield, he enjoys battling at the front for wins, not fighting it out with Trulli and Rosberg for 10th and 11th.
Another bad outing for the Honda boys, Jenson finishing last and Barichello retiring. This is yet another season to just get through and hope next year brings more joy.
Bad shunt for Glock, was doing well up until his suspention gave out, slamming him backwards into a barrier, looked a bit of a nasty shunt, but he should be ok.
Webber was never really doing that great, so he employed the cunning tactic of billowing smoke to blind drivers behind him, in a Dick Dastardly fashion. Unfortunately it was merely his engine giving up, and he ground to a halt soon after. Another unfortunate race for F1's unluckiest driver.
All in all then, a great race, slow in the middle but Glocks crash and the safety car made for a brilliant finish. Hamilton leads the campionship into Hungary, where he dominated last year, will he do the same again?
GO HAMMY GO!!!!!! :D
Venom 1000
Jul 20, 2008, 8:55 PM
Hamilton=FANTASTIC
Agreed, he's fantastic. He killed everybody even back in his karting days.
PancakeBoy
Jul 21, 2008, 11:45 AM
I think they should just hand Hamilton the title/trophy now.
Cooper "s"
Jul 21, 2008, 12:24 PM
This has ruined my whole week. Why can't Ferrari get things right, its two races and they seem off, not to mention Kimi who seems to forget how to drive. man I hate seeing hamilton win.
On the other side, the man was quick, very very quick. It is nice to finally see Hamilton actually drive with a cool and mature mind.
Officially promoted once again from "sliced bread" to "Sliced bread with a slice of ham and cheese"
Nemphis
Jul 21, 2008, 1:46 PM
I think they should just hand Hamilton the title/trophy now.
Oh right just like that, thats good that is the fanboys would sure need to change their boxers after that and I dread to think what ITV would be like :rolleyes:.
We will see who wins the crown and I don't think it will be Hamilton, hell I would put more money on Kubica winning it over Hamilton :).
astonmartin138
Jul 21, 2008, 1:49 PM
Oh right just like that, thats good that is the fanboys would sure need to change their boxers after that and I dread to think what ITV would be like :rolleyes:.
We will see who wins the crown and I don't think it will be Hamilton, hell I would put more money on Kubica winning it over Hamilton :).
Nemphis? Did Hamilton do something to your family or something? Because you are being increasingly ignorant and it is beginning to annoy me.
You seem to act like Hamilton is nothing special, and yet you yourself are a fanboy of Raikonnen, who at the moment is not even in the same league as Hamilton.
Start using your head. :|
Nemphis
Jul 21, 2008, 2:33 PM
Nemphis? Did Hamilton do something to your family or something? Because you are being increasingly ignorant and it is beginning to annoy me.
You seem to act like Hamilton is nothing special, and yet you yourself are a fanboy of Raikonnen, who at the moment is not even in the same league as Hamilton.
Start using your head. :|
Hamilton's has done nothing too me at all and he's probably a nice bloke outside of F1 but its the media, his attitude and the hype around him that annoys me.
I'm sorry but just because he his a British driver it doesn't mean I adore him unlike most of the British public, who cares if he his our first real hope of a Champion since Damon Hill I couldn't careless.
I will admit Kimi isn't in the same league has Hamilton at the moment, I haven't denied that but this is where as a Kimi fanboy I shut up and say very little about his performance and more to the point Ferrari's in general.
mclaren_mercedes_f1
Jul 21, 2008, 3:52 PM
Just shut up. Nemphis, if you have nothing good to say then don't say it.
It's not like I talk trash about Ferrari or BMW when they beat Mclaren.
clutch
Jul 21, 2008, 7:45 PM
Ladies quit bitching at each other, this isn't a futbol rivalry. Sheesh.
My take on the race positions 1-10:
Lewis was very Schumi like in all of his late passes. I mean he didn't just pass people, he forced them off the line and budged them out of the way. It just happens that the other drivers don't have the balls to touch wheels with the guy and not take his beatings. McLaren seems to find the fire then loose it again. Now they have another spark.
Nelson actually decided to to show up to race day and Renault finally had a race strategy. Could this carry over to the last 8 GPs, maybe, but I wouldn't hold your breath, I take this as a fluke performance. He ate his Wheaties Sunday.
If Massa doesn't win the championship this year, he will be gone next year. No doubt in my mind. I really genuinely think that if he wasn't in a Ferrari, he wouldn't be in the points at many races this year. He has amazingly good days, then he drives like a rookie driving a Minardi. He spun 5 times last week and got man handled this week. He got lucky he was picked up from Sauber and learned a thing or two with Schumi as a teammate last year. Now, it just seems to me that he isn't as good a driver as the points dictate.
Heidi was at his consistent 4th and did well to represent BMW but he deserves more IMO and when Massa gets the boot out of that Ferrari seat I would love to see Nick get the spot. Then, everyone will be screwed.
Heikki is a toss up, he seems to defy the odds by finishing terrible at places he qualifies great, and then when he qualifies poorly he finishes great. Although its the same car as what Hammy is driving, I think Heikki is a product of team orders. McLaren love their golden boy and old Ron will do anything for Mr. split teeth. Sadly a Fin does lose out. I don't think he minds however, who would when you have a seat in the 4th best car on the grid.
Kimi is flat out a disappointment. Every week I seem to be losing more respect for the guy. Is it because he doesn't finish in the top 5, yes, it is. Raikkonen, you are being an embarrassment to the Ferrari team. You were supposed to be the next great thing. I still haven't forgotten how you took out Sutil from a great 4th place finish at Monaco. Perhaps the racing gods are after you now. First Hammy running in to you, and now poor finishes.
Robby, whats up mate. Win at Canada. Wind out of your sails. Step it up if you want to win a championship.
Vettel, did a supreme job coming from 9th in the grid......Well wait, 1 position gain all race long? Come on, must be much faster than that if you are to get notoriety. Top 5s are a must. He is as good as any driver in that field, shame he drives for an team that sometimes plucks its wings.
Toyota has another shameful weekend of spending the most money yet getting no points. Trulli is content to still be driving in F1, but finishes like that will ultimately end up costing him a ride. And it isn't his fault. He isn't the best driver, but he is surely better than 9th. The team needs to step up.
This leaves me with Nico. Rosberg in 10th seems like a joke. Williams in 10th IS a joke. Its points or nothing here. Its a good effort to beat out 10 cars, but it is a shame to see such tradition do no better than 10th. With such high expectations of Nico being like Keke, it appears as if this won't happen any time soon.
Honda, what the hell are you doing.
RBR, the AARP team will need a tow soon.
Force India, nice job finishing both cars in the top 16. Sure its no points day, but to finish is an accomplishment. Should save some money not repairing or replacing parts.
I think this is one of the few weekends where we almost see everyone finish on the lead lap. This is a good thing.
Timbit
Jul 22, 2008, 12:10 PM
This leaves me with Nico. Rosberg in 10th seems like a joke. Williams in 10th IS a joke. Its points or nothing here. Its a good effort to beat out 10 cars, but it is a shame to see such tradition do no better than 10th. With such high expectations of Nico being like Keke, it appears as if this won't happen any time soon.
I think the SC screwed up Nico a bit, at least according to what he said and what I can remember reading what he said. I also actually remember him saying that he had a fun race. He wasn't that far off a points paying position, to be fair, he was about 6? seconds adrift of Vettel, and started 13th, so wasn't a bad race as such.
BUT, the team is still lacking, and it pains me to see!
They even brought some minor updates for this race as well, and they can't seem to stay on the pace. They've admitted that they've been putting to much attention on the FW31, but it might be too little to late.
Still, Nico is still regarded as hot property, I believe. If he became a free agent all of a sudden, I'm sure there'd be plenty of teams waiting in line to woo his services (so to speak :p).
Apart from Nico, what about Kazuki? After Brazil 07, most people thought he'd be a disaster! I too had some doubts, but he's been a quiet achiever. Certainly not in the same league as the top echelon of drivers, but a handy team member no less.
Beaver
Jul 22, 2008, 4:50 PM
Still, Nico is still regarded as hot property, I believe. If he became a free agent all of a sudden, I'm sure there'd be plenty of teams waiting in line to woo his services (so to speak :p).
Apart from Nico, what about Kazuki? After Brazil 07, most people thought he'd be a disaster! I too had some doubts, but he's been a quiet achiever. Certainly not in the same league as the top echelon of drivers, but a handy team member no less.
Definately, Rosberg is still imo one of the best drivers in the field and if he decided to leave Williams then i even think Ferrari would try and snap him up to replace Massa. (All depending on Kimi's stay, if they could get Alonso etc. And yeh, i hear that Kimi is not far away from extending his Ferrari contract into 2011, so maybe we havnt seen the last of the Iceman just yet. Although, if he doesnt pick up his game in Hungary, Ferrari may start to have doubts.) Anyway, Rosberg is definately still hot property and i have no doubts that if he was in a Red or Silver car he would be doing very well indeed.
Kazuki has been pretty astounding this season imo. Everyone had big doubts about him after ploughing down his own mechanics in his debut race, but my god has he proven everyone wrong! Hes not been setting the field alight but he has been doing a great job of getting into points paying positions pretty consistently, thats what you want your No. 2 driver to do, Nico is there to go for the big points but Nakajima is primarially there to make sure Williams brings home some points per race.
Cooper "s"
Jul 22, 2008, 4:56 PM
Personally I believe that Ferrari would keep Massa over Kimi any day of the week. Yeah Kimi is a "world Champion" (<--- just because Hamilton gave it it away by being a Wonder bread). massa seems to be more consistent, with the car. IMO.
I think a Massa/ Alonso would be a great setup.
Beaver
Jul 22, 2008, 5:13 PM
I do think that Massa is a good driver, but he does sometimes have bad weekends for no reason and throughout the season is inconsistent, hes always been inconsistent.
One thing i am worried about with both Kimi and Massa at the moment is their apparent lack of hunger, neither have shown real desire to win over the past few races. This is really not acceptable in a Ferrari, especially one capable of winning world championships. Kimi has, in my mind, always had a rather lackluster attitude to him, but lately Massa has started to show this aswell, when things arent going his way he just sort of gives up and accepts it rather than trying to do anything about it. Hammy's pass on him sums it up, he shouldve kept inside, forced Hamilton to go outside, then run him out wide, keeping the position, but instead he opened the door for Hammy and then let himself get pushed out wide. He just seemed to think "Oh what the hell, hes going to get past, might aswell let him" Quite frankly, if that the attitude you have in a Ferrari you dont deserve to get behind the wheel. When Hamilton is in that position, like last year in China, with Kimi clearly faster, did Hammy move over and make it easy? No, he tried with every ounce in his body to stop Kimi getting past. Thats what is needed from both Kimi and Massa if they are to win this years WDC.
Alonso would be great with either Kimi or Massa as a teammate, but we have seen that he doesnt like to have his teammate get the better of him.
Cooper "s"
Jul 22, 2008, 5:20 PM
Yeah but at that rate the only driver that alsono can race with at this point would be Ide, if he ever gets his super license back.
clutch
Jul 23, 2008, 12:12 AM
I think the SC screwed up Nico a bit, at least according to what he said and what I can remember reading what he said. I also actually remember him saying that he had a fun race. He wasn't that far off a points paying position, to be fair, he was about 6? seconds adrift of Vettel, and started 13th, so wasn't a bad race as such.
BUT, the team is still lacking, and it pains me to see!
They even brought some minor updates for this race as well, and they can't seem to stay on the pace. They've admitted that they've been putting to much attention on the FW31, but it might be too little to late.
Still, Nico is still regarded as hot property, I believe. If he became a free agent all of a sudden, I'm sure there'd be plenty of teams waiting in line to woo his services (so to speak :p).
Apart from Nico, what about Kazuki? After Brazil 07, most people thought he'd be a disaster! I too had some doubts, but he's been a quiet achiever. Certainly not in the same league as the top echelon of drivers, but a handy team member no less.
There is no doubt that Williams and its drivers have had some bad luck this year, but since the BMW split, there have been few bright spots. I hope they can get on the right track, believe me.
Nico is a good driver, but I just don't see him going any further if he doesn't do anything spectacular in that car. Would teams give him a ride if it were offered, sure, but for right now all the top spots seem secure and anything lower than a BMW is not worth it. I don't see Ferrari giving him the spot. As for Kaz, he has surprised me to tell you the truth, I thought he was going to got the way of Super Aguri's B drivers. Yamamoto and Montagny, got talent but screw it up whole heartedly. He has kept that Williams rubber down and finishes races, albeit not very high up on the finishing order on most weekends.
Venom 1000
Jul 23, 2008, 7:31 PM
Hamilton's has done nothing too me at all and he's probably a nice bloke outside of F1 but its the media, his attitude and the hype around him that annoys me.
I'm sorry but just because he his a British driver it doesn't mean I adore him unlike most of the British public, who cares if he his our first real hope of a Champion since Damon Hill I couldn't careless.
I will admit Kimi isn't in the same league has Hamilton at the moment, I haven't denied that but this is where as a Kimi fanboy I shut up and say very little about his performance and more to the point Ferrari's in general.
Why do you hate the hype about him? It's not like it's false hype, he's actually performing very well. He looks pretty humble to me, he's different than other drivers. I honestly see no reason to be pissed at this guy. lol
clutch
Jul 23, 2008, 7:44 PM
Since there are many British F1 fans on this site I would like to throw this question your way.
Where is the love for Jensen Button?
I mean you guys all but abandoned him. I remember rave reviews after his win in Hungary, and now I don't even hear you talk about him. I know Honda has been doing terribly, but even if the team is bad, the player is still there.
Quite honestly, a lot of you are bandwagon jumpers.
Nemphis
Jul 23, 2008, 7:58 PM
Why do you hate the hype about him? It's not like it's false hype, he's actually performing very well. He looks pretty humble to me, he's different than other drivers. I honestly see no reason to be pissed at this guy. lol
I'm not pissed at him,
Alot of people think I am but I am not, I'm pissed at ITV (the channel that broadcast F1 in the UK !) because there whole show seems to revolve around Lewis Hamilton and his chances, how this might affect him, how that might affect him, how well he has prepared for the race etc etc.
When you are not a fan you don't appreciate the pre race build before the race because you know its all Lewis Hamilton, a little I mean little about David Coultard & Jenson Button and don't get me started on James Allen (commentator) he seems to love Lewis Hamilton too bits.
Basically my two favourite drivers are Kimi & Kubica now I obviously know there not British, so I'm not saying that there should be alot of coverage about them two but there should be less biased coverage towards Lewis Hamilton and more coverage to the drivers across the grid not just the British drivers.
*TAKES COVER*
CLUTCH:
Thankyou !!!!!!!!!!
You need to understand one thing about British sports personallities when they are doing well and they have the world on there shoulders everyone loves them but when it all starts to go abit Pete Tong (wrong) the love goes.
Basically as we all know Jenson isn't in a performing car at the moment so he's not getting the attention so everyone has jumped to Hamilton who is performing well but wait until McLaren slip off the pace (like a couple of years ago!) and he's not performing people will jump ship to another Brit whether that Button or someone else but it will happen, people will deny it but they will.
I don't need to jump ship, I support a Finnish & Polish driver so I'm sound :cool:.
VTEC_Dreams
Jul 23, 2008, 10:03 PM
Since there are many British F1 fans on this site I would like to throw this question your way.
Where is the love for Jensen Button?
I mean you guys all but abandoned him. I remember rave reviews after his win in Hungary, and now I don't even hear you talk about him. I know Honda has been doing terribly, but even if the team is bad, the player is still there.
Quite honestly, a lot of you are bandwagon jumpers.
No bandwagons in this camp! I've been shooting and rooting for JB since, well, always!
I'm an unabashed fanboy of the guy, and I think he's going to make a splash--with the Big H team, at that--in time. It's just not in the cards this year or last. That's fine. It takes commitment to do well in any sport, and I'm really, really glad he's kept such a fine attitude and such a great outlook. It's going to pay off in the future. Look at the Red Sox!
When he's doing great next year, I'll be able to sit back and say "I was a fan in '07 and '08!" whilst everyone else jumps his bones.
And if he leaves Honda (so long as it's on good terms), I'll still be a fan of his, no doubt.
Thing is, I have to admit my first fanboy blush was for Sato...I'll be glad to see him racing again if he does.
SamGTR
Jul 28, 2008, 9:41 AM
It was quite a boring race imo, but Lewis did do a good job. But Piquet, wow, good for him.
Sorry if its already been said, but does anyone know what happened to Glock's car. I mean, was his suspension hit before, or did it just fail by itself? I had to watch the race in spanish, so I dont know!
Beaver
Jul 28, 2008, 10:04 AM
It was quite a boring race imo, but Lewis did do a good job. But Piquet, wow, good for him.
Sorry if its already been said, but does anyone know what happened to Glock's car. I mean, was his suspension hit before, or did it just fail by itself? I had to watch the race in spanish, so I dont know!
As far as i am aware it was just the constant bumps of the last corner and other rumble strips that weakened it (it being the rear trackrod according to Toyota), then one last rumble and SNAP! bye bye suspension, hello wall! Looked pretty ace in slow motion, oscillating slightly then snnnnaaaap!
astonmartin138
Jul 28, 2008, 10:26 AM
I'm going to miss the German GP because I'm going on holiday unfortunately. I didn't manage to catch the Hungarian one either, I need to do some catching up when I return!
Timbit
Jul 28, 2008, 12:00 PM
I'm going to miss the German GP because I'm going on holiday unfortunately. I didn't manage to catch the Hungarian one either, I need to do some catching up when I return!
Erm, AM, I think you have your races mixed up! lol
Hockenheim is the race that just went...Hungary is coming up THIS weekend. :D
Nemphis
Jul 28, 2008, 12:12 PM
Erm, AM, I think you have your races mixed up! lol
Hockenheim is the race that just went...Hungary is coming up THIS weekend. :D
I was thinking that aswell.
Nevermind
astonmartin138
Jul 28, 2008, 12:32 PM
Erm, AM, I think you have your races mixed up! lol
Hockenheim is the race that just went...Hungary is coming up THIS weekend. :D
CRAP!
Yeah I did aswell :D
Beaver
Jul 28, 2008, 12:42 PM
I'm going to miss the German GP because I'm going on holiday unfortunately. I didn't manage to catch the Hungarian one either, I need to do some catching up when I return!
Youve gone past the Hungarian GP?! You got your time machine calculations mixed up again didnt you. CARRY THE 1 NEXT TIME!!!
Now go find out who wins the WDC!!!
Nemphis
Jul 28, 2008, 1:15 PM
Youve gone past the Hungarian GP?! You got your time machine calculations mixed up again didnt you. CARRY THE 1 NEXT TIME!!!
Now go find out who wins the WDC!!!
We all know who's gonna win the WDC .......
My main man Kimi :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!
astonmartin138
Jul 28, 2008, 1:16 PM
We all know who's gonna win the WDC .......
My main man Kimi :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!
He'll get fired for swearing to ITV again.
BURNNNN.
Beaver
Jul 29, 2008, 8:51 AM
Or for pushing over kids and photographers....
astonmartin138
Jul 29, 2008, 8:53 AM
Or for pushing over kids and photographers....
Who knows...maybe thats the kind of thing Nemphis enjoys seeing.
Nemphis
Jul 29, 2008, 10:16 AM
Or for pushing over kids and photographers....
Who knows...maybe thats the kind of thing Nemphis enjoys seeing.
I have seen both video's and in Kimi's defense the mother still wanted an autograph and it wasn't until Kimi pointed until she went back to her daughter.
Nah I enjoy seeing Kimi not bragging about his chances then getting the win :D.
Hopefuly Ferrari have got their act together for this weekend's gp and Kimi actually turns upto race :o.
astonmartin138
Jul 29, 2008, 10:17 AM
I have seen both video's and in Kimi's defense the mother still wanted an autograph and it wasn't until Kimi pointed until she went back to her daughter.
Nah I enjoy seeing Kimi not bragging about his chances then getting the win :D.
Hopefuly Ferrari have got their act together for this weekend's gp and Kimi actually turns upto race :o.
Probably get a better result if he didn't :p
Beaver
Jul 29, 2008, 10:42 AM
Probably get a better result if he didn't :p
Ooooooh!! SNAP!! :D
Nemphis
Jul 29, 2008, 10:49 AM
Whats with all the Kimi bashing :( ??????
I have stopped with the Lewis bashing so why start Kimi bashing :| ??????
Cooper "s"
Jul 29, 2008, 11:18 AM
^^^ because he does not care about the sport anymore, he is just out there for a cruise.
Nemphis
Jul 29, 2008, 12:02 PM
^^^ because he does not care about the sport anymore, he is just out there for a cruise.
Its not that, I personally think he has lost some faith afterall you can't say over the last couple of race weekends he has had a 'good' car underneath him can you ?????
Ferrari as an whole aren't performing at the moment anybody can see that and obviously Kimi has lost some faith.
astonmartin138
Jul 29, 2008, 12:49 PM
It is easy to Kimi bash. You see all the other drivers enthusiastic about the race, nervous, scared, excited, etc. Then theres Kimi - with an expression as exciting as a brick wall. Its like he goes home thinking - another day of work over. Nemphis, if I was you, I'd start supporting Hamilton ;)
I'm actually dieing to read Hamilton's autobiography now, but I promised myself I'd wait for the holiday. Forget the holiday - I just wanna read it :p
Nemphis
Jul 29, 2008, 1:11 PM
It is easy to Kimi bash. You see all the other drivers enthusiastic about the race, nervous, scared, excited, etc. Then theres Kimi - with an expression as exciting as a brick wall. Its like he goes home thinking - another day of work over. Nemphis, if I was you, I'd start supporting Hamilton ;)
I'm actually dieing to read Hamilton's autobiography now, but I promised myself I'd wait for the holiday. Forget the holiday - I just wanna read it :p
Yeah ok and Wayne Rooney is my idol :rolleyes:.
I'm all about supporting the Finnish & Polish drivers hell if I ever goto to the British GP I will have both Finnish & Polish flags waving about :D.
See how patriotic I am towards the British drivers ??????
Cooper "s"
Jul 29, 2008, 2:22 PM
Nemphis, you have to understand one thing though, KIMI suffers of a syndrome which was known to Montoya as well. If their car is not up with the other, they push their car at 130% and well cars are not really meant to be pushed that hard, and they end up breaking the thing, or becoming frustrated and ruin their race.
He has lost the love for the sport I tell you.
astonmartin138
Jul 29, 2008, 3:44 PM
Nemphis, you have to understand one thing though, KIMI suffers of a syndrome which was known to Montoya as well. If their car is not up with the other, they push their car at 130% and well cars are not really meant to be pushed that hard, and they end up breaking the thing, or becoming frustrated and ruin their race.
He has lost the love for the sport I tell you.
He can show emotion? Since when? :eek:
Beaver
Jul 29, 2008, 8:19 PM
Nemphis, you have to understand one thing though, KIMI suffers of a syndrome which was known to Montoya as well. If their car is not up with the other, they push their car at 130% and well cars are not really meant to be pushed that hard, and they end up breaking the thing, or becoming frustrated and ruin their race.
He has lost the love for the sport I tell you.
So, so true.
Thats the only problem i have with Kimi, he shows no passion for the sport, hes completely emotionless. He does his job with as little fuss, then goes home, hes not passionate about F1 anymore.
There are i believe 2 types of driver in F1. Some drivers you can tell love the sport. Coulthard, Barrichello, Alonso, Hamilton etc. Some ended up there through other series' like Bourdais, Speed etc but they dont love the sport. And Kimi is someone who i believe used to love the sport, but has just lost that passion and emotion for F1. If he doesnt go in the next season or 2, it would surprise me.
SteveFX
Jul 30, 2008, 2:23 AM
Everyone would like their favorite driver to drive their favorite make and win and be the kind of guy you would like to down a brew with at your local club/pub/dive.
A little Austrian guy named Niki Lauda won 3 GP Championships over intervals; surviving horrifying injuries. Never considered one of the smartest drivers in F1; he was willing to work the hardest. In an era with no testing regulations; he tested tires weeks more than his competition. The guy was a perfect ZERO interview. He made Kimi look as warm as your grandma. He fed his dog out of a trophy. He quit F1 to start an airline. After he "learned all I needed to know about airlines", he came back to F1.
Driving wasn't about a Superstar Lifestyle; it was a JOB. Niki did it well; and wanted everyone to leave him alone otherwise.
I'll bet Kimi would be a lot more fun with a few shots...
astonmartin138
Jul 30, 2008, 8:45 AM
Everyone would like their favorite driver to drive their favorite make and win and be the kind of guy you would like to down a brew with at your local club/pub/dive.
A little Austrian guy named Niki Lauda won 3 GP Championships over intervals; surviving horrifying injuries. Never considered one of the smartest drivers in F1; he was willing to work the hardest. In an era with no testing regulations; he tested tires weeks more than his competition. The guy was a perfect ZERO interview. He made Kimi look as warm as your grandma. He fed his dog out of a trophy. He quit F1 to start an airline. After he "learned all I needed to know about airlines", he came back to F1.
Driving wasn't about a Superstar Lifestyle; it was a JOB. Niki did it well; and wanted everyone to leave him alone otherwise.
I'll bet Kimi would be a lot more fun with a few shots...
I have little respect for drivers who cannot show enthusiasm regarding their profession. I aspire to drivers who put their blood, sweat, and tears into what they do and realise how special what they are doing actually is. People who just consider it a job do not connote anything in the way of passion or excitement for me.
Beaver
Jul 30, 2008, 11:45 AM
Exactly, the thing is, its not just a job, it is most of those drivers lives, accumilating to get a drive in an F1 car. Anyone who can "take it or leave it" shouldnt be anywhere near it. Its not just a job, no matter which way you cut it F1 is more than that, all sport is. Football is not just a job, F1 is not just a job, Rugby is not just a job etc etc, its people dedicating their whole lives to one thing, with just a little hope that one day they just might get to stand on the top step of that podium and taste the bubbles of the champagne. They put their whole heart and soul into it, giving 100% at everything, they push themselves to their limits just to gain a tenth of a second, they dont care about anything else but winning. These are the drivers who i admire, not those who dont care about the sport.
This is the mentality im talking about:
“Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.” ~ Ayrton Senna
"Racing, competing, it's in my blood. It's part of me, it's part of my life; I have been doing it all my life and it stands out above everything else." ~ Ayrton Senna
astonmartin138
Jul 30, 2008, 2:01 PM
Exactly, the thing is, its not just a job, it is most of those drivers lives, accumilating to get a drive in an F1 car. Anyone who can "take it or leave it" shouldnt be anywhere near it. Its not just a job, no matter which way you cut it F1 is more than that, all sport is. Football is not just a job, F1 is not just a job, Rugby is not just a job etc etc, its people dedicating their whole lives to one thing, with just a little hope that one day they just might get to stand on the top step of that podium and taste the bubbles of the champagne. They put their whole heart and soul into it, giving 100% at everything, they push themselves to their limits just to gain a tenth of a second, they dont care about anything else but winning. These are the drivers who i admire, not those who dont care about the sport.
This is the mentality im talking about:
“Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.” ~ Ayrton Senna
"Racing, competing, it's in my blood. It's part of me, it's part of my life; I have been doing it all my life and it stands out above everything else." ~ Ayrton Senna
Exactly. And the fact Hamilton considers Senna his no.1 hero just proves Hamilton has the same idea about racing - he is passionate about what he does.
Nemphis
Jul 30, 2008, 7:06 PM
You can look at this in 2 ways:
On one hand you can say Kimi is good for the sport because he justs gets on with the racing and doesn't really give a crap about all the other stuff that surrounds F1.
But on the other hand you can say he's not 'proffesional' because he isn't very 'media friendly' and he's an oldschool type of f1 driver in todays very marketable F1 empire which requires drivers like Hamilton who are very media friendly.
What I am trying to say is Kimi isn't your average F1 driver, he obviously doesn't like the media attention, yeah sure he seems to disappear from races when thngs are tough but maybe thats how he deals with the tough times just laying low and not bigging up his chances after all nobody is perfect (Canada anyone ???) !!!!
Cooper "s"
Jul 30, 2008, 7:16 PM
^^^^ I am all for the laying low with the media thing. Because super stars who have to be on the camera all day can lick my sack. But Kimi is just bored of the sport, I know he has no emotion and never had, but lately its as if he just can care less about the outcome.
Look at Schumi for example 7 time world champion broke almost every record in the sport and still would jump like a school girl every time he won. If times where hard he would still give it the 110% to try and do something for the team. That is what KImi is lacking right now.
Beaver
Jul 31, 2008, 9:29 AM
Look at Schumi for example 7 time world champion broke almost every record in the sport and still would jump like a school girl every time he won. If times where hard he would still give it the 110% to try and do something for the team. That is what KImi is lacking right now.
Exactly, it would be nice to just see some passion from Kimi. Just a little glimpse that what he does means something to him, because at the moment it doesnt seem like he cares at all. I used to love the Schumacher jump, i wasnt his biggest fan, but i loved his celebrations, because you could see just what it meant to him. Alonso is the same, when he wins, he goes mental because thats all that matters. Same with Hamilton and Massa, they let loose on that podium and for one brief moment you get a glimpse of the little boy inside them all that is excited and joyfull because they won. You dont get that from Kimi, even when he won his WDC and there was fireworks and glitter and hed just won the biggest prize in motorsport by a single point, he barely managed a smile. If that was Alonso or Hamilton, they would have jumped round that podium like Tigger on speed. Thats what i love about them. Okay, so i admit i am not Alonso's biggest fan, but i respect him as a driver and i admire his passion for the sport. Kimi doesnt seem to have that passion anymore. Which is a real shame.
bennyboy
Jul 31, 2008, 5:46 PM
Exactly, it would be nice to just see some passion from Kimi. Just a little glimpse that what he does means something to him, because at the moment it doesnt seem like he cares at all. I used to love the Schumacher jump, i wasnt his biggest fan, but i loved his celebrations, because you could see just what it meant to him. Alonso is the same, when he wins, he goes mental because thats all that matters. Same with Hamilton and Massa, they let loose on that podium and for one brief moment you get a glimpse of the little boy inside them all that is excited and joyfull because they won. You dont get that from Kimi, even when he won his WDC and there was fireworks and glitter and hed just won the biggest prize in motorsport by a single point, he barely managed a smile. If that was Alonso or Hamilton, they would have jumped round that podium like Tigger on speed. Thats what i love about them. Okay, so i admit i am not Alonso's biggest fan, but i respect him as a driver and i admire his passion for the sport. Kimi doesnt seem to have that passion anymore. Which is a real shame.
Could not agree more mate. I know I haven't been commenting as much as I would like, but you've been writing some pretty thoughtful and sensible stuff, and I've been noticing it all. :)
Since there are many British F1 fans on this site I would like to throw this question your way.
Where is the love for Jensen Button?
I mean you guys all but abandoned him. I remember rave reviews after his win in Hungary, and now I don't even hear you talk about him. I know Honda has been doing terribly, but even if the team is bad, the player is still there.
Quite honestly, a lot of you are bandwagon jumpers.
It's HERE. As I just said above, I haven't been commenting as much as I have on past races (in fact, I haven't commented on some at all which is lame beyond belief), but I'm still supporting Button 100% this season. On some of my posts, it might have seemed as though I have jumped onto the Hamilton bandwagon, but that is not true. I write about Hamilton becase of the sheer respect for his driving skill that I have. There has not been a single lap since 2004 where I have not been egging Button on. I haven't been writing as much about his races often because there's not really much to say apart from his constant struggle to get into the points, and the fact that the directors have not been concentrating on Button, or Honda for that matter, as they are a team which have slumped as of late. But to be honest, 2007 was a very very hard season for me to watch from a Honda point of view after their majorly successful 2006, but lately I have come to terms with the fact that no, they are not as fast as the frontrunning teams, so whenever a good result comes about from my Honda boys, it means that much more. 6th place in Barcelona for Button and 3rd in Silverstone for Rubens; two brilliant results and the highlights of my season so far. When Honda don't do well, it does involve punches sofas and a sore throat, but I still support him 100%!
No bandwagons in this camp! I've been shooting and rooting for JB since, well, always!
I'm an unabashed fanboy of the guy, and I think he's going to make a splash--with the Big H team, at that--in time. It's just not in the cards this year or last. That's fine. It takes commitment to do well in any sport, and I'm really, really glad he's kept such a fine attitude and such a great outlook. It's going to pay off in the future. Look at the Red Sox!
When he's doing great next year, I'll be able to sit back and say "I was a fan in '07 and '08!" whilst everyone else jumps his bones.
And if he leaves Honda (so long as it's on good terms), I'll still be a fan of his, no doubt.
Thing is, I have to admit my first fanboy blush was for Sato...I'll be glad to see him racing again if he does.
Good! :D Nice to see there's more hardcore fans of Button here! And yes, we will be able to sit back and say, ''I told you so'' to the others when he scores his next podium, which will be very soon.
It was quite a boring race imo, but Lewis did do a good job. But Piquet, wow, good for him.
Sorry if its already been said, but does anyone know what happened to Glock's car. I mean, was his suspension hit before, or did it just fail by itself? I had to watch the race in spanish, so I dont know!
Revealed over the last few days that Glock's failure came from a damaged part that was carried over from Silverstone to here in Germany, which failed during the race.
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Anyway it was a great race from Hamilton's perspective. Drove supremely well from start to finish and never really put a foot wrong, if you think about it. The only fault came from the McLaren team itself, but Lewis' head was screwed on tightly on race day and his driving skills won him the race. Brilliant driving from the off, lead from lights to Glock's crash and looked as though he might have dominated the afternoon, which he probably would have done if it wasn't for the safety car. Even after that, he put his head down, raced hard, raced fast and won the race. Did anyone else feel a strong sense of inevitability even when Hamilton pitted for tyres and fuel and came out third? I know there were 12 laps left, Piquet was leading and Massa was in third, but did anyone else feel it? The fact that Hamilton was a second, sometimes even more than that, faster than both Piquet and Massa, kinda reiterates my feelings. The moves that Hamilton put on Felipe and Nelsinho were spectacular, even if they both gave him a bit more room then Hamilton needed. Felipe was a bit half-arsed, basically giving him the place going into the Turn 6 hairpin, and then tried another move going into Turn 7 to pretend he was ''mad'' at losing the place to Hamilton, but I think deep down he knew he was never going to get past Lewis. Nelson fought a little less because he didn't want to run himself off the track, but still, Hamilton was the one doing the overtaking.
So, as I just said, a great drive, and next we're going into Hungary, a track which Hamilton lead every single lap last year (70 laps, count 'em), so it's all looking good for Hammy. Title favourite? I think so.
Nelson drove a great race too. To call him lucky would be an understatement, but still, Nelson drove the car to that position, and then to the finish, right? Just a case of right place, right time. Even though he was leading, there was still a very small chance of him winning, but once Lewis dispatched Massa, the writing was on the wall for Nelson. Still, he's beating his twice world champion team-mate Alonso at the podium races so far this season, who knows how long that will continue for? If Renault are going to get another podium this season I can see Alonso getting it, but as for Nelson's confidence, this will do him the world of good, at Hungary, a track where Renaults have gone well before. Good luck Nelson for the rest of the season, I think we all know he is a better driver than the first half of his season has shown us.
Alonso didn't do too well today, I think he's just struggling with confidence at the moment, and suffering from what, I think the medical term is, HUGE FRUSTRATION! I think we all know he wants to be sitting in a Ferrari next season but to be honest I really can't see that happening. I mean, Renault aren't ''wasting'' his career, as he won two world championships with them, but they are definitely wasting a chance now. Without the spying scandal last season, I'm fairly confident Alonso would have had a much bigger chance at the title. As for this season? Again, I'm fairly confident he would be much closer to Hamilton if Alonso was in a Ferrari. Alonso is one of those drivers who is terribly consistent, and is ALWAYS THERE even on a bad day, hello 2005 and 2006 again? Alonso needs to get himself into that Ferrari, and I'll be a much happier bunny, as I like Alonso much more this season than I did last season. But, get this: Ferrari might want to snap up Kubica if Massa goes (unlikely), and Alonso also wants that seat. So, here's my question to you, SCF, and di Montzemelo: Alonso or Kubica?
Heidfeld had a good race to finish fourth. Ol' Quick Nick has been having a bit of a bad time of late not being able to perform in qualifying, which obviously hampers him in the race, but this performance to get fourth place will give him a timely boost of confidence. He was eve catching Massa for third place aswell, which makes his fourth place even sweeter. His bad-patch was only what I said it was, a patch. We all know Nick is better than 12th place or whatever he has been qualifying of late, and fourth place is more like it. Sadly, Kubica's last few race results haven't been as good, mainly he hasn't had all of the luck, and that the F1.08 hsan't been as quick, but 7th place is still good points and he is still consistently scoring them, which ultimately is the key to a good championship challenge, and the next step up, consistently winning, is the holy grail of getting your F1 title.
Kovalainen didn't do too bad either, a 5th place is still points, but that MP4-23 is faster than 5th place, so Heikki will be looking to scre even more points. He knows he can get on the points, he knows he can be the fastest car in the field (and I think McLaren know this aswell, they're retaining him for the 2009 season: http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=43512), so he just has to be patient to get into the big points, but his results are at the moment, forming a good base for what's to come.
Ferrari performaned poorly today, Massa didn't seem up to the job and nor did Raikkonen. Let's be honest, none of them are Michael Schumacher the second (even if one of them is getting FREE advice off him), and I don't think Raikkonen or Massa will be remembered on the same level as Schumacher will be remembered in his Ferrari, simply because of their sometimes ''half-arsed'' attitude that is sometimes portrayed by them. We may be wrong though, maybe they are trying 110%, but they just don't seem to ''want'' the championship as much as Hamilton does. They have had flashes of brilliances (obviously), but they haven't been consistent. Not both of the Ferrari drivers have been conistent this season, and Raikkonen has been out of sorts since Monaco, and Massa, pretty much the same. Not one of them had the setup to challenge for the race victory, but at least salvage third place or something (well done Massa), and not slump to a rather average sixth place, because the Ferrari is faster than that. Oh well, stop complaining Ben and see what they can do in Hungary, eh? I still think McLaren will be fastest in Hungary, but we'll just have to see, won't we? I do know that they have to pick up their game to get themselves back in the title challenge hunt.
Vettel did well to grab 8th place, seems to be very very fast and his jump up to the senior team next year is pretty much 100% justified by now. So, well done Vettel by scoring points in this race. Bourdais has not performed since Australia at the start of the season, and I have heard some rumours that he needs to perform otherwise his seat may be under jeaopardy. He is better than his results may seem, but he is only scoring mid-teens positions, whislst Vettel can get it into the points. Maybe next year with the STR4, he can do better, because he is an excellent driver.
Not a good weekend for Red Bull either, 13th for Coulthard and a retirement for Webber. Red Bull are better than that, they just couldn't get it together for this weekend, which is a shame. It would be better to see DC get some more points in this, his last season of F1. I would be very happy to see him get another podium aswell. Shame for Webber aswell, another retirement for him aswell, what does this guy have to do to get some luck around here, eh? Hopefully next race will be more lucky for him.
No such luck for Trulli aswell, finishing outside of the points in 9th place, so unlucky for him after his great points finishes this season, he was Mr. Consistent at one point. An unlucky shunt for Glock, damaged part from Silverstone catapulting him into the wall, nasty to watch, must hurt. Does pay testament to the safety of these cars. This is my fifth season of watching F1, and I think we all take it for granted that these cars are some of the safest in the world. In another car that incident would have been so different; they possibly could have died in a normal road car, but the dude that crashes just gets up and walks away? Incredible.
Rosberg 10th and Nakajima 15th, a bad weekend for them. After Rosberg scored a 3rd, a lot of people were thinking that this is the season that Rosberg starts to shine, but it has been a struggle ever since then, hasn't it? Nakajima has been scoring points the last few races, but couldn't manage it this time, which is a shame. Seems like Williams still have a lot of work to do until they become regular points scorers.
Force India, 14th for Fisichella, 16th for Sutil, not a bad race for them both cars finished without any damage to them, which can only mean good news and good date for the team, which is great, hopefully 2008 delivers constant improving and 2009 delivers good results.
Last but certainly not least, Honda, who had a bad afternoon with Button finishing stone dead last (.....dammit!), and Barrichello crashing into Coulthard, which put him into retirement, which was a bloody shame after his podium performance (3rd) in Silverstone. Hopefully the next few races will deliver more performance from the RA108, although I understand a lot of the squad's development has gone into the 2009 season, which I have no objections with. Good luck Honda!
And next it is a track where Button and Barrichello have both won (most recently being Button in 2006), so hopefully they can both go well there.
Anyway, I reckoned it was a great race I enjoyed it from Hamilton's point of view. So, bring on Hungary!
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Race Report:
http://www.itv-f1.com/raceReport.aspx?id=11&Posting=43432
Cooper "s"
Jul 31, 2008, 5:49 PM
not to be mean or anything, but holy lateness batman.
bennyboy
Jul 31, 2008, 5:55 PM
^You can say that again! Although, to be fair to myself, I did get a new computer in that time, the process of actually getting it, transferring data and setting it up did take about 5 days, and plus I did write a lot. Bloody annoying to see all you lot bantering away, but I can't join in though! :p
SteveFX
Aug 05, 2008, 11:48 PM
Exactly. And the fact Hamilton considers Senna his no.1 hero just proves Hamilton has the same idea about racing - he is passionate about what he does.
You couldn't tell it by his post-race interviews; most of which were wins from the pole in the fastest car. Kimi is almost entertaining otherwise.
You need to check your meds, aston; or get some.
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