Is the Subaru Impreza WRC best or is the peugeot 206 WRC best?
My vote goes to the impreza! 8)

I agree, The Impreza WRC is better. I think it's mainly because of Subaru's 4WD system, it's known for it's effectivity and quality.

I voted for the Impreza too.

Xsara for me!!!I voted for other! :wink:

Audi Quattro. Beast machine :twisted:

Indeed, but I thought that the comparison was between Impreza and 206... so I voted for Impreza. :roll:

Wat no Evo Tats da bomb

yeah eco's great, but it's alway evo and WRX that win

I think that he told asked about the best WRC car NOW...And his best are 206 and Impreza and he asked what's ours...Well from those cars that running now my favourite is the Xsara WRC.It will win the championship anyway... :twisted: :twisted:

hmm, this one is pretty tough but best rally car goes to yugo koral! lol just kidding but i would say the impreza too

ill chose the Impreza

i like the Focus WRC car. Don't know why, i just like it.

Yes this car is really exotic.The only WRC car(nowdays)which has this exotic exterior.
I like it too... :wink:

A Ford Focus, exotic :shock: :? :lol: !?!

206
Why? Don't ask, it's not going to make any sense :wink:

Yes.Did you see the spoiler or the damn engine cap(Dunno other word for that)??
Can you compare its exoticness with any other WRC car??I don't think so.The other WRC cars are so common.Except the Subaru's rear wing... :wink: :wink:

Did you see the spoiler or the damn engine cap(Dunno other word for that)??
The word is 'hood'.

EVO ALL THE WAY !!!!! :twisted: :twisted:

EVO ALL THE WAY !!!!!

I am a mitsu chick.

I enjoy watching the citron run too though.... Damn what a tough one...

Citroen will win this championship.I dunno about the drivers championship.Sainz lost some points...

i'm not sure they will but i am sure it will be a french team that is taking the cup this year though, Both Citroen and peugeot have done very well this year, as for the drivers championship i would like to see Petter Solberg take the title.

Yes.Peter did a great job this year.Well today is the last day of the Italian rally in San Remo.Right now Loeb is in front with half a minunte distance from Gilles Panizzi and his Peugeot 206 WRC...Let's hope that Loeb will stick in 1st place for last 2 SS's...

Is the Subaru Impreza WRC best or is the peugeot 206 WRC best?
My vote goes to the impreza! 8)

You should have more options. Although I DO think that the Imprezas are the best out of any in the WRC!

Too bad they haven't won any championships lately... the 206 WRC has won three.

And Citroen will now... :D

impreza easy its miles better lookin!

LOL if they cared about how the cars looked in the races, now THAT would be funny!! :lol:

Ha,307 WRC is my dream car!
BTW,I'm Leob's fan.

is the Citroen Xsara FF?

is the Citroen Xsara FF?I think it is, or 4WD.

Civil car is FF,but 4WD in WRC.

Every car in WRC is 4WD.

cuz i was playin GT3 the other day, and like a newbie i was basing fact on a game... BUT, it had the citroen xsara rally car as an FF layout. i'd think the guys at Polyphony Digital wouldn't make such a mistake like that, so maybe the past wrc xsaras were FF?? haha i look like such a goof basing fact upon GT3, but oh well. it makes sense! i'd think gt3 would be accurate at least in the drivetrain of famous cars!

i just checked out the drivetrains of all the 2004 wrc models, and yeah they're all awd... it makes me wonder...

It's 4wd in A8 team(WRC).
JWRC(super 1600) is FF :)

The impreza all the way[/quote]

Yeap it's true, the old Citroen Xsara was FF when they were on WRC, also the first year they compete in WRC with the facelift Xsara still was FF. 4WD were from 2002 untill today.

ya that Xsara was FF in GT3, but anyways, me being a BIG fan of Subaru and ofLance Armstrong, yes..the WRX is the best, although, that new 307 from Peugeot might give the WRX a challenge :idea: ...but i don't know, the Peugeot team this year isn't that impressive this year, that Gronholm is out of his prime. There I said it :!:

Im a fan of Subaru so I'd have to go with the WRX but that new Mitsubishi Lancer WRC04 World Rally Car is nice.
http://www.carpages.co.uk/mitsubishi/mitsubishi_lancer_wrc04_part_1_27_11_03. asp?switched=on&echo=975231445

I just want Mitsubishi to do well this year in the WRC seeing as they won the Paris to Dakar that and as i have said before some where i like my Evo's :)

Really I dont care who does good or who does bad, It's just fun to watch

Really I dont care who does good or who does bad, It's just fun to watch
Yeah but every one has there prefered cars whats yours :?: ....

Im a fan of Subaru so I'd have to go with the WRX.

Really I dont care who does good or who does bad, It's just fun to watch
Yeah but every one has there prefered cars whats yours :?: ....
Sorry missed the bit with the WRX :oops: but me being an Evo fan i normally skip past the Sti stuff :)

Subaru all da way :D (c signature)

Subaru Impreza is best, did you know they can go the speed of a motorbike.

sry but as big of a Subaru fan I am the new car hasnt proven itself yet. The Xsara is still the best w/ the lancer being the worst :roll:

The new Impreza was doing very well on the Mexico rally, but then Solberg crshed down 11th (i think), but managed to get back to 5th place, which is an amazing acheivement. Also, the last time I checked, Solberg was winning the New Zealand Rally, so I think the car is easily good enough, its just down to driver error!

Subaru Impreza is best, did you know they can go the speed of a motorbike.
yeah, a harley on a good day for the impreza

Subaru Impreza is best, did you know they can go the speed of a motorbike.

This is true, because the engine of an Impreza WRC has about 650-700bhp, its just that its restricted to 300 for the WRC rules. Some people took the restrictor off the engine of (i think the 2002 car) Impreza WRC and got stats that it has amazing power, so imagine a car with 700hp with long gear ratio's - top speed could be anything!
This is not limited to the Subaru car, the Skoda Fabia WRC has similar stats as well, its just that they did the experiment on an Impreza.

long ratios sure buts its not gonna get there as quick (watever there is)

thats true, but either way, you can gear it to go 0-120mph quickly or 0-top end speed slower, but get a higher speed in the end, which was what !ChEeKy GiRl! said.

still, a cheap bike or a factory special, mr wallet has rite of passage here

ok, whatever, I was just putting forward the fact that the Impeza WRC can go the speed of a motorbike. I read it in an article, so I was remembering that.

do you have the spec of the subaru motor

this is the official spec of the 2003, pre-facelifted car (bug eye). They havent updated to new yet.

Engine- Flat 4-cylinder, 16 valve, turbocharged

Capacity- 1994cc

Bore- 92.0mm

Stroke- 75.0mm

Engine Management- Subaru programmable electronic engine management system

Power- 300bhp @ 5500rpm

Torque- 60kg-m @ 4000rpm

Exhaust System- Ceramic coated, lagged with fire-proof material and aluminium covered. Fitted with two, three-way catalytic converters

Turbo Charger- IHI - with WRC regulation 34mm restrictor

Spark Plugs- NGK

Fuel tank capacity- 80 litres

Transmission- Prodrive 6-speed electro-hydraulic

Torque- Split front/rear: 50/50

Differentials- Electro-hydraulically controlled

Drive System- 4 wheel-drive

Suspension Front- MacPherson strut

Suspension Rear- MacPherson strut with longitudinal and transverse link

Brakes- Alcon / Prodrive 305mm ventilated discs and 4-pot calipers front and Rear. For asphalt use, front brakes are 366mm ventilated discs with 6-pot water-cooled calipers

Steering- Power assisted rack and pinion

Tyres- Pirelli

Shock Absorbers- Prodrive, fully adjustable with remote reservoirs

Wheels- OZ cast magnesium

Overall length- 4415mm

Overall width- 1770mm

Overall height- 1390mm

Wheelbase- 2535mm

Car weight- 1230kgs (WRC regulation min.)

Xsara for me!!!I voted for other! :wink:

Same here. I'm a Citreon fan.

the new Xsara did not prove itself in new zeland though subaru and peugeot had the best cars that rally

i can say its been a tough challenge between SUBARU IMPREZA and PEUGEOT 206

BUT STILL SUBARU IMPREZA RULZ!!

its a lot better than peugeot 206!!!

I realize this is an old post, but shouldn't it be changed from the 206 to the 307? That's what they're using now. And my vote would go to the Xsara, it just never seems to fail when I'm watching. But its the driver that really matters IMO.

I realize this is an old post, but shouldn't it be changed from the 206 to the 307? That's what they're using now. And my vote would go to the Xsara, it just never seems to fail when I'm watching. But its the driver that really matters IMO.

not really, the 206 is the 3rd or 4th most succesful rally car ever, the 307 has nothing to its name, as it was disqualified from Cyprus rally this year because of a dodgy water pump.

The Focus is the best current rallye Car and Ford will win the Championship this year, cos they have two of the best drivers in the sport at the moment. The best rallye car of all time - either a RS200 G-B or a Escort RS1600 Mk I or a Audi Quattro.

i guess it would be the subaru impreza

distinct features!! :lol:
rear spoiler!
http://www.motorintro.com/actuales/subaru/subaru_images/impreza2003/wrxstialeron.jpg

car!
http://www.motorintro.com/actuales/subaru/subaru_images/impreza2003/wrxsti.jpg

cos they have two of the best drivers in the sport at the moment.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Duval = 0 wins
Martin = very few wins

""Having potential is great, if your 12 years old""

Look at the best drivers, Loeb and Solberg, Solberg being the best at the moment, more wins than Martin, and a WRC Championship under his belt.
Martin will get better, but not yet, and Duval needs more experience, like Hirvonen who finally got a works drive this year. Gronholm is past it now, but might still get more wins though.

Look at the best drivers, Loeb and Solberg, Solberg being the best at the moment, more wins than Martin, and a WRC Championship under his belt.
Martin will get better, but not yet, and Duval needs more experience, like Hirvonen who finally got a works drive this year. Gronholm is past it now, but might still get more wins though.
I wouldn't say Petter is the best I say he is even w/ Loeb. Remember it was him and Loeb last year in GB and Loeb was held back by his team so he couldn't go after the championship and he has more wins than petter this year plus he is leading petter in the driver's championship.

has to be the Impreza!

Look at the best drivers, Loeb and Solberg, Solberg being the best at the moment, more wins than Martin, and a WRC Championship under his belt.
Martin will get better, but not yet, and Duval needs more experience, like Hirvonen who finally got a works drive this year. Gronholm is past it now, but might still get more wins though.
I wouldn't say Petter is the best I say he is even w/ Loeb. Remember it was him and Loeb last year in GB and Loeb was held back by his team so he couldn't go after the championship and he has more wins than petter this year plus he is leading petter in the driver's championship.
Fair point, I suppose I felt Petter was a bit better as he has a WRC title and Seb doesn't :P

i am afraid that subaru and citroen right now are the best teams in wrc!!!!!

But Ford have the best Car!

But Ford have the best Car!
thats your opinion, and technically the 04Focus was the best, just that car was so bad it just couldnt perform :P now though the 307 and 44S Impreza is better, and Citroens last Evolution of the Xsara is very very good, next year they are introducing the C2 WRC car, which according to the paper work should decimate all competition!!!

the driver makes all the difference

as far as cars go the impreza is a force to be rekoned with, but the driver makes all the difference look at skoda's performance last year, until hiroven gets more experience I don't see subaru winning the title although I'd like them to, I think the best team is by far citreon, sianz is a great driver and loeb is every bit solberg's equal, I think if subaru had burns like they planned they could win but since they don't we'll have to wait for hiroven gain experience before we see a title, pugoet is no longer a threat gronholm is past his prime and he's their best driver, for now it's citrogen's time, and I see subaru passing ford off for second place soon, ford hasn't been consistent like subaru

But Ford have the best Car!
:lol: how? when they brought the new car in thats when they started to drop in the points. Right now I'd say its very close between subaru and citroen for the best car.

ford won't hold the #2 spot for long

I think Solberg and Loeb are equally matched, but from last season, and some of this season, Loeb has made soem bad tire choices, making a BIG difference of course on different surfaces.

impreza's are phat wrc cars and can't be beaten....except by a focus wrc...i love 'em

They've been beating the focus so far and sadly trailing citroen by a lot.

The Focus is the best current rallye Car and Ford will win the Championship this year, cos they have two of the best drivers in the sport at the moment. The best rallye car of all time - either a RS200 G-B or a Escort RS1600 Mk I or a Audi Quattro.

this dudes got it all right, focus wrc's are mint!

The Focus is the best current rallye Car and Ford will win the Championship this year, cos they have two of the best drivers in the sport at the moment. The best rallye car of all time - either a RS200 G-B or a Escort RS1600 Mk I or a Audi Quattro.

this dudes got it all right, focus wrc's are mint!
but they dont have the 2 best drivers and the cars just not reliable enough, besides the torque rating is lower than the impreza, but higher than the citroen i think

i ain't even a proper fan of wrc though to be honest...i just like the cars and occasionally watching the racing, but i don't keep up to date about which teams winning etc. i just like the cars and driving...i personally believe that btcc/f1/dtm are better to watch...

i ain't even a proper fan of wrc though to be honest...i just like the cars and occasionally watching the racing, but i don't keep up to date about which teams winning etc. i just like the cars and driving...i personally believe that btcc/f1/dtm are better to watch...

Rallying, DTM, Touring cars etc etc (DSC :P) for me, but F1 sucks, its too careful and boring for me, i like the excitment of the closeness of the touring cars and the danger af rallying :D

Rallying, DTM, Touring cars etc etc (DSC :P) for me, but F1 sucks, its too careful and boring for me, i like the excitment of the closeness of the touring cars and the danger af rallying :D[/quote]
touring cars are sik, but i must say mate, dtm bodykits are something i could stare at all day, rally cars are nice but i don't like the graphics, they ruin the car from my point of view...

Hard call. I like them both. I'll go for the Impreza

Me too. Impreza is the best IMO.

yea it is the driver that makes the car, not the car that makes the driver, in rally racing. unlike drag where you need the better car to win. if you vote for best car, impreza because i like it. if it was the drivers vote. then i dont know. i can never watch rally racing ever since the FOOD channel took over speed vision. DAMMIT I was so PISSED when they did that. know i cant even find speed vision on my cable. if i could then i would order it so fast. anybody know where a race channel that has rally racing on it for me???? plz

I dont know, because I live in England, but you give no credit to the car, actually the car is as important as the driver, because if one car is more aerodynamic than another, then the handling improves and has better speed on the rare flat-out parts, to you a second may not seem like a lot, in in rallying, on some stages spilt times can be as close as 0.01seconds, and if you put Solberg in a Fabia WRC, he could not match the pace of the Impreza with Gardemeister in. bad example, but I hope it made sense.

Right now, it's defenetly the Xsara. It has developed into the fastest-most reliable car in the championship.

yea it is the driver that makes the car, not the car that makes the driver, in rally racing. unlike drag where you need the better car to win. if you vote for best car, impreza because i like it. if it was the drivers vote. then i dont know. i can never watch rally racing ever since the FOOD channel took over speed vision. DAMMIT I was so PISSED when they did that. know i cant even find speed vision on my cable. if i could then i would order it so fast. anybody know where a race channel that has rally racing on it for me???? plz
This year I'm gonna have to disagree on that looked what happened when Solberg went through the watersplashes this year in argentina was it his fault that he had to retire? no there was too much downforce on the car and every time he went through even when he reduced his speed dramatically his car came out damaged. another example is mitsu at NZ both cars died of mechanical faolures drivers fault no. i think it is a combination of driver team and car that makes a good car a great car and a good driver a great driver

Subaru impreza is the best!!!!! :o

like said before its not just the car, its the driver of the car, but for the car it would have to be the Impreza STi, may not always be the best but I've always supported them

like said before its not just the car, its the driver of the car, but for the car it would have to be the Impreza STi, may not always be the best but I've always supported them

It still proves that bigger can be better :D :lol:

And what a result in the Rally Japan, Go Petter :D and Subaru Rocks :D 8)

like said before its not just the car, its the driver of the car, but for the car it would have to be the Impreza STi, may not always be the best but I've always supported them

It still proves that bigger can be better :D :lol:

And what a result in the Rally Japan, Go Petter :D and Subaru Rocks :D 8)
Yes Solberg did a spectacular job in Japan but the new STi is a very fast car but the team needed to test it more especiallt over water splashes

impreza in the best.........performance.......turbo.... .........alot alot more :shock:

after Wales Rally GB, that great driving by Petter in the Subaru was great, another win for Subaru 8)
GO SUBARU :D :twisted:

Nice job, now hopefully Solberg can get some more wins so we can pass Ford off.

3 in a row now but the bad news is Seb got 2nd which means seb will have to retire all but one rally and get 4th or lower and Solberg will have to win every rally so the drivers champ. is pretty much locked but the thing i did not like about GB was Mikko's performance up to 6th and he lost it (even though I heard it was team orders for that) it seems he is a bust I mean I kno its his 1st year but I thought we would be seeing some improvement from him but its mostly 7th or lower or he retires I mean Subaru should let him go or tell him to get out. Just a thought if ford folds up for 2005 maybe Subaru could pick up Duval or Martin.

I just watched the rally on Speed and I have to use one of Petter's Favorite words"Unbelievable!!!" But Nicky Grist had reported that Martin is lining up a drive for Peugeot and Duval (rumor) has a drive already w/ Citroen. so which makes my hopes up their not possible really and I trust Grist cause last year he was right on what was gonna happen w/ McRae and other rumours so now all my hopes lie in McRae returning hopefully for Subaru since Burns is probably gonna get minimal time in rallies next year in private cars so my new saying is "McRae for 2005!!!"

The biggest news so far (heard from Colin & Robert Reid (Burn's co-driver)) that Colin McRae and Kris Meeke (newbie sponsored by McRae) are going to be Skoda's 2 main drivers next year.
WIth the exception of the start of the season while colin is Paris-Dakaring again with Nissan 8)

Hiroven is not bad at all for his first year. Solberg only managed 11 points his entire first season. He spent most of it crashing. I was actually expecting Mikko to only the minimun amount of points on his best races and crash or not finish on most of the others. So I'm quite happy with his performance. I expect he'll be a more major player next year and possibly be close for the driver's title in two years.

Hiroven is not bad at all for his first year. Solberg only managed 11 points his entire first season. He spent most of it crashing. I was actually expecting Mikko to only the minimun amount of points on his best races and crash or not finish on most of the others. So I'm quite happy with his performance. I expect he'll be a more major player next year and possibly be close for the driver's title in two years.
I kno I'm pessimestic but if Ford disbands Subaru is in for one hell of a season I mean look at the teams Peugeot-Gronholm Martin (a force to be reckoned w/ if the cars gremlins get worked out) and Citroen- Loeb, and shared time between Saniz and Duval(a definite tough tough team we could be seeing dominanace) but w/ Solberg's first year it gave him an experience I mean sure he was crashing but it helped him sorta kno what speed was too fast and helped him control the car better while Mikko is taking it easy and not finding how fast to control which might score him minimal points but it will help him in the long run

I am not going to watch the WRC any more, its now dominated by PSA and Subaru after Ford leave, its not looking good.