i was wondering what heel toe shifting is and how you do it and what does it do for your car?

i was wondering what heel toe shifting is and how you do it and what does it do for your car?

ugh...r u watching initial d?

heel toe braking?


----this is from a post by bigred318, i'm not taking credit for it----
Alrite people. First off, Heel toe is useful in a racing situation and it's used to save clutch and put less stress on the engine, but you already know that, good. When you come into a turn and want to slow down quickly it's handy, but the real intention is to be in the proper gear to accelerate through the corner and not have to get the jerk of an engine reving high as you let the clutch out (throw you into a slide, not good) and to save time from giving it a throttle blip after you're done braking.

For autocross, I've never seen a practical use unless you're on a very fast course where you get into third and have to go to second. If you're in a turn where you need to go to first you're ussually not going fast enough to have to worry about the massive oversteer situations and if you get into them you should probably be in second.

Ok I'm done with that. Try this: heel toe in a honda is actually heel and toe. with the toe being on the brake and the heel blipping the gas. But in the BMW it's a whole different story. The pedals are too close to try and propery blip the throttle with the gas.

The solution is still called heel-toe, but it's really more like left side of foot-right side of foot. Coming into a turn BEFORE the turn, trail braking = bad unless you're passing someone on a race track, put the clutch in with the left foot, press the brake with half of your right foot and roll your foot over to blip the gas. Let the clutch out and bam second gear through the turn.

Feel free to try both. I've heard of some using the ball of their foot and their heel to blip the throttle, this works too but is more difficult to learn.

CAUTION: HEEL-TOE BRAKING IS BRAKING. The whole point of this is to slow faster in a race situation on the track. Trying it on the street is a , but while you're playing out in the country it would be acceptable. Before you go out and start trying to blip the throttle, make sure you're learning it with your foot firmly planted on the brake. If you're foot slips off the brake you're screwed, so worry about braking before you worry about blipping the throttle.

It's been explained before by people who have actually put it to practice.

You use it to enter a turn too fast brake and downshift at the same time and accelerate out of a turn. It's as simple as that.

Also research rev matching and trail braking.

heel toe braking?

Alrite people. First off, Heel toe is useful in a racing situation and it's used to save clutch and put less stress on the engine, but you already know that, good. When you come into a turn and want to slow down quickly it's handy, but the real intention is to be in the proper gear to accelerate through the corner and not have to get the jerk of an engine reving high as you let the clutch out (throw you into a slide, not good) and to save time from giving it a throttle blip after you're done braking.

For autocross, I've never seen a practical use unless you're on a very fast course where you get into third and have to go to second. If you're in a turn where you need to go to first you're ussually not going fast enough to have to worry about the massive oversteer situations and if you get into them you should probably be in second.

Ok I'm done with that. Try this: heel toe in a honda is actually heel and toe. with the toe being on the brake and the heel blipping the gas. But in the BMW it's a whole different story. The pedals are too close to try and propery blip the throttle with the gas.

The solution is still called heel-toe, but it's really more like left side of foot-right side of foot. Coming into a turn BEFORE the turn, trail braking = bad unless you're passing someone on a race track, put the clutch in with the left foot, press the brake with half of your right foot and roll your foot over to blip the gas. Let the clutch out and bam second gear through the turn.

Feel free to try both. I've heard of some using the ball of their foot and their heel to blip the throttle, this works too but is more difficult to learn.

CAUTION: HEEL-TOE BRAKING IS BRAKING. The whole point of this is to slow faster in a race situation on the track. Trying it on the street is a , but while you're playing out in the country it would be acceptable. Before you go out and start trying to blip the throttle, make sure you're learning it with your foot firmly planted on the brake. If you're foot slips off the brake you're screwed, so worry about braking before you worry about blipping the throttle.

And he is correct sir! Nice Explain...

thanks for the help and sorry for getting it wrong my friend told me about and said it was heel toe shifting

ugh...r u watching initial d?
you mean.... it dosen't make u a better racer? :eek:
takumi-san!!!

And he is correct sir! Nice Explain...

You mean she...:p

you mean.... it dosen't make u a better racer? :eek:
takumi-san!!!

HAHAHA...it's really fun to watch though, one of my favorite animes and it's very accurate too...I wish I had that RX-7...you know what's funny they never show him race in Season 4, except against that girl that likes him that drives an RX-7 too...what a waste I wanted to see him race the R34...

And crap...a girl...I'm IMPRESSED!!! Don't find many girls that know heel toe braking around here...wow crazy what you find on the internet!

Many girls can cut and past though

Any you people decent at left foot braking?

i know its not hard but i still sometimes stomp it too hard , my clutch is quite hard though and the change in pedal presuure between the two( clutch, brake) makes it hard to judge most times.

i already know what a heel 'n' toe gera change is and i am 14

Heel toe braking is only useful when racing. Just try to brake a little with the right foot hanging in the air and you will notice how difficult is being accurate with it.

Any you people decent at left foot braking?

i know its not hard but i still sometimes stomp it too hard , my clutch is quite hard though and the change in pedal presuure between the two( clutch, brake) makes it hard to judge most times.

Only in emergencys. I am perfecting my trail braking technique sine heel toe shifting is pretty easy to get good at.

Many girls can cut and past though

Obviously.

Sorry, if I was confusing, those are not my words, that's the way bigred318. I of course, do not take any credit for that, just I found it helpful, and thought it would be of help to you, because it was well explained.

Sorry, if I was confusing, those are not my words, that's the way bigred318. I of course, do not take any credit for that, just I found it helpful, and thought it would be of help to you, because it was well explained.

Oh...so you cut and paste...when I finally thought there was a girl online that could type an entire instruction manual in a few paragraphs on heel toe breaking it was a lie...darn this internet...IT LIES TO YOU!!!

It's considered proper to quote the author whos work you use.

It's considered proper to quote the author whos work you use.
Yes it is, and, as I said, I was sorry for not quoting him. I forgot to quote him originally because I was in a hurry and made a mistake. The only reason I copy&pasted was because I thought it was helpful and easy to understand, and I wanted to share this informative post with isuckatdriving. I was not trying to get any credit or anything from sharing bigred318's post with you all.

Anyways, she's right, and on the internet, screw proper citation. Get enough of that in College, and left foot braking.

For a 15 year career soccer player, and good with my left foot to *no pun intended* boot, I suck at it. Like, my foot just slams on it till the ABS kicks in.

Anyways, she's right, and on the internet, screw proper citation. Get enough of that in College, and left foot braking.

For a 15 year career soccer player, and good with my left foot to *no pun intended* boot, I suck at it. Like, my foot just slams on it till the ABS kicks in.

Take the ABS out, you'll learn to modulate REAL quick.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't even work. I was on the road today, see, we in NY got hammered with about 40mph winds and 5 inches of snow alllll day. Anyways, I hit the brakes alot today and I got that pulsing of it via the pedal but it wasn't normal ABS, really hyper fast pulse, but rather sounding and feeling like it was trying to activate but couldn't. Still, I can modulate it fine with my right foot.

But that's not the topic anymore, darn. =(

Unlike many here, I find I "heel and toe" shift in my daily driving. It's a useful technique that can be used off-track as well as on the track. I think that using it in every day driving probably helps me at the track too.

I've never figured out left foot braking, however. On a car with a clutch and manual gearbox, I'm just not sure how/why I'd ever want/need to use it.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't even work. I was on the road today, see, we in NY got hammered with about 40mph winds and 5 inches of snow alllll day. Anyways, I hit the brakes alot today and I got that pulsing of it via the pedal but it wasn't normal ABS, really hyper fast pulse, but rather sounding and feeling like it was trying to activate but couldn't. Still, I can modulate it fine with my right foot.

But that's not the topic anymore, darn. =(

Yeah today in Jersey we got hit with the same thing...I had to drive to a 1:25 class...I'm a commuter to my college...anyways the storm killed me...I was drifting in a FWD car easily hahaha...I'm just glad I didn't get into any accidents...there was one accidents on a highway though around me with 6 cars...it was a consecutive hit one after the other...guess there brakes weren't that good...now only if I drove with snow tires hahahaha...

Unlike many here, I find I "heel and toe" shift in my daily driving. It's a useful technique that can be used off-track as well as on the track. I think that using it in every day driving probably helps me at the track too.

I've never figured out left foot braking, however. On a car with a clutch and manual gearbox, I'm just not sure how/why I'd ever want/need to use it.

I find myself heel toe shifting in my maxima.

You know what helps...... wresteling shoes. $35 at gart bros. I thought I was the only one who used wrestleing shoes but I was watching a top gear video of these little japanese guys racing an NSX, skyline, porsche and a few other cars and most of them had the SAME exact shoes. I was laughing my ass off when i saw that. They are awsone for driving.

I was looking through a 2005 aftermarket parts magazine. And in their misc. pages they had "racing shoes" and i though to myself those look exactly like wrestlying shoes. Guess i was right then eh? haha

I was looking through a 2005 aftermarket parts magazine. And in their misc. pages they had "racing shoes" and i though to myself those look exactly like wrestlying shoes. Guess i was right then eh? haha

I LOVE mine. They have some nylon on them so they are not "track" approved but I could care less. They are cheaper and IMHO better than a set of sparcos. The sole has a well designed tread and for some reason the tread on the ball of your foot is perfect when you use aluminum pedals. It even has a very small amount of tread of the edges which catches my gas pedal on heel toe (or side of foot, side of foot in my case) manuvers.

Plus If I wear them into a store I don't look like a dork.

I race bare foot...Sometimes with slippers on when it's cold...

HAHAHA...it's really fun to watch though, one of my favorite animes and it's very accurate too...I wish I had that RX-7...you know what's funny they never show him race in Season 4, except against that girl that likes him that drives an RX-7 too...what a waste I wanted to see him race the R34...

And crap...a girl...I'm IMPRESSED!!! Don't find many girls that know heel toe braking around here...wow crazy what you find on the internet!

I think it was a R33 since it was rwd :)

I think it was a R33 since it was rwd :)

I'm talking about Season 4...I think your talking about either season 1 or 2 I forget the races but...Season 4 he is racing a Skyline GTR34 and it's an FR he's teamed with a Mazda MX-5...This was episode 2 of Season 4...

I'm talking about Season 4...I think your talking about either season 1 or 2 I forget the races but...Season 4 he is racing a Skyline GTR34 and it's an FR he's teamed with a Mazda MX-5...This was episode 2 of Season 4...
The Skyline that races the RX7 is a RWD R33.. I think.. The one in season 1 was a R32 and Season 4 was a RWD which only R33 had.
Im sure I am correct.

ughh...what fansub are you watching? Episode 2 when the yellow RX-7 vs. the Blue Skyline R34...In Japanese he says it is a R3 "4" in Japanese...in Aone they say R34 in the Subtitle, in Live Evil fansub they as well say R34...in the anime in japanese it says R34...so then why woudn't it be a R34?

ughh...what fansub are you watching? Episode 2 when the yellow RX-7 vs. the Blue Skyline R34...In Japanese he says it is a R3 "4" in Japanese...in Aone they say R34 in the Subtitle, in Live Evil fansub they as well say R34...in the anime in japanese it says R34...so then why woudn't it be a R34?
R34 is AWD, R33 is RWD. The fansubs im watching are from Live Evil

left foot braking....
My car (auto, FF) is small, and when there are ppl in the back, my feet are too long... so I have to drive with two foot. Itz good thing to learn...
I can drive with my left foot now too, good for long trips... =)

You people call that driving, need handbrake go left right come off the clutch in 1st gear and what do you ,you find your self in somebodys house.Thats the first thing I am going to teach any one who asks for driving lessons

Heel and toe was partially explained in the begining of this thread but from a technical aspect the true way is to: Brake, Clutch in, shift to neutral, Clutch out,Now go down thru the gears repeating the double clutch, when you reach the desired gear, blip the throttle to match engine speed with wheel speed with main shaft in transmission,clutch out, on the gas. This puts less stress on the syncos also. You can use your heel or roll the right side of your foot onto the throttle. The BEST place to practice is on the street then take it to the track. This is how we teach our students. You can go, lets say from 5th to 2nd and not thru all the gears if you are anew driver and this seems like there is too much to do. But, beware of a mechanical overrev.

Heel and toe was partially explained in the begining of this thread but from a technical aspect the true way is to: Brake, Clutch in, shift to neutral, Clutch out,Now go down thru the gears repeating the double clutch, when you reach the desired gear, blip the throttle to match engine speed with wheel speed with main shaft in transmission,clutch out, on the gas. This puts less stress on the syncos also. You can use your heel or roll the right side of your foot onto the throttle. The BEST place to practice is on the street then take it to the track. This is how we teach our students. You can go, lets say from 5th to 2nd and not thru all the gears if you are anew driver and this seems like there is too much to do. But, beware of a mechanical overrev.

Go back to playing gran turismo.

Everybody else completely disregard this advide unless you drive an old mack truck.

Heel and toe was partially explained in the begining of this thread but from a technical aspect the true way is to: Brake, Clutch in, shift to neutral, Clutch out,Now go down thru the gears repeating the double clutch, when you reach the desired gear, blip the throttle to match engine speed with wheel speed with main shaft in transmission,clutch out, on the gas. This puts less stress on the syncos also. You can use your heel or roll the right side of your foot onto the throttle. The BEST place to practice is on the street then take it to the track. This is how we teach our students. You can go, lets say from 5th to 2nd and not thru all the gears if you are anew driver and this seems like there is too much to do. But, beware of a mechanical overrev.
The question is: Did you ever driven a manual car? Double clutching while doing heel and toe?
If you are a noob driver you release slowly the clutch, you don't want to do something weird with your feet to end changing from 5th to 2nd. It's just pointless.
You only want to do heel and toe braking when racing. When you race you keep your revs high. If so, how do you go from 5 to 2 without overreving? Why would you go from 5th to 2nd without engine-braking along all the others gears while racing?

I don't get your post, I don't want to offend but IMO is stupid.

So let me get this right...

In order to improve my downshifting time, via heel and toe shifting since that's what it's for, I should double clutch, which increases my shifting time.

Dude, I gotta agree, go play GT3 and GT4 some more and learn the real way. Also, the correct place to practice this is on a track. Dumbass.

If you CAN'T get to a track, something I know only too well, go to a big empty parking lot. As for 5th to 2nd, I've done that, all you need to do is shift and stand on the brakes because you're going to be decelerating real fast. And trust me when I say, it's not a great idea to do that ever, unless you're like me and get cut off by some woman doing 45 in a 65mph zone, and you're going faster.

I did not say you had to do it the way I stated, you actually don't even need to use the clutch. If you can match engine speed with all other moving components. But it is the way to put the least amount of strain on your equipment. Yes you don't have to double clutch but it will make you a better driver and Ghalos I spend plenty of days at the track don't call me a dumbass. I would never tell anyone to begin their track driving and practice their first heel-toe shift on the track. You wouldn't want them in front of you, would you?

I did not say you had to do it the way I stated, you actually don't even need to use the clutch. If you can match engine speed with all other moving components. But it is the way to put the least amount of strain on your equipment. Yes you don't have to double clutch but it will make you a better driver and Ghalos I spend plenty of days at the track don't call me a dumbass. I would never tell anyone to begin their track driving and practice their first heel-toe shift on the track. You wouldn't want them in front of you, would you?

I would rather have an inexperienced driver ahead of me on a track which is a controlled enviroment, rather than the street.

I learned on the track, and since have adopted it's use(the right way) on the street. I even rev match and heel toe shift my maxima.

get close,to cars when your driving fast in traffic.......... that way you can anticipate more......keep your revs high and try your wait transfer it works.... dont hit that brake to much just presstap it lightly.........remember that when you brake the weight of the car goes to the front...... be confident in what your doing agressively ( its so great not having speed limits here in central america)

get close,to cars when your driving fast in traffic.......... that way you can anticipate more......keep your revs high and try your wait transfer it works.... dont hit that brake to much just presstap it lightly.........remember that when you brake the weight of the car goes to the front...... be confident in what your doing agressively ( its so great not having speed limits here in central america)

Yep, people like you making driving on public roads dangerous.

****........... im in love with my integra............... quickly what would you choose a honda integra type R vs. seat leon 20V 1.8 turbo. Post reply's

To:peter
Re:stop Driving Like A Dumbass
From:management

yeah ........... I know but im talking race car traffic not public..........from 2 am in the morning you wont get any public traffic in a road that goes free of stop lights and intersections..........if you fu*ck up your the only one that's gonna get killed its called SALIDA EL SALVADOR ......... INSANE DOWNHILL CURVES

:confused: ****........... im in love with my integra............... quickly what would you choose a honda integra type R vs. seat leon 20V 1.8 turbo. Post reply's OPINIONS ANY BODY HAS ANY ?????????????????

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

MAKE SENSE!
This is not the comparison section, go to that section and make that...Till then...stick with the topic.

And as for driving like an imbecile, stick with the track, not everywhere is like your area. Alot of area's have non-insane, or "good" drivers.

:confused: OPINIONS ANY BODY HAS ANY ?????????????????

I have one. I'm glad I don't live in south america.

I did not say you had to do it the way I stated, you actually don't even need to use the clutch.
So you don't need to press the pedal that releases the gear to change it. Heres and expriment for you:

Equipment:
1. big rope
2. telephone pole (any large verticle pole will do)
Method:
1. Tie rope to pole.
2. Tug said rope.

Now kids you will observe that you don't get far tugging the rope if you have tied the knot properly. Now try untieing the rope and see how easy it is to pull, a clutch works in a similer fashion.

yeah ........... I know but im talking race car traffic not public..........from 2 am in the morning you wont get any public traffic in a road that goes free of stop lights and intersections..........if you fu*ck up your the only one that's gonna get killed its called SALIDA EL SALVADOR ......... INSANE DOWNHILL CURVES
Acabarás muerto. Y para comparaciones escribe mejor en "general forums > comparisons"

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