This dodge Viper looks better then the old one, but that just my opinion

http://image.collegeclub.com/images/cc/app/contentmanager/uploads/5831.jpg

http://www.familycar.com/Future/Images/2003ViperLFront.jpg

Yeah definitely looks cool, but I wasn't aware that this was new...

they are prototypes, they aint selling it yet

Prototypes? LOL :lol: ! The SRT/10 on the first photo is a concept, yes, but the second one isn't, that's a normal production RT/10. Dodge has been selling those sins '03!

Are you sure about that? It seems like the current Viper SRT-10 to me. :?

oh, then i was wrong :oops:
next time if i post something like this i make more research

Are you sure avout that? It seems like the current Viper SRT-10 to me.

The car shown on the first pic is the SRT/10 concept, the second one is the RT/10.

And for this im sure Dark is right, cuase he knows much, much more of dodge viper then me :lol:

Ok then... although I really can't tell the differences between those two cars. :?

same here, but if the door is slightly different, DarkVennom can tell, he can see that, while we can never see that 8)

LOL :D , well, i can't blame you, the only exterior difference are the side exhausts. The SRT/10 Concept has some kind of black 'fender' ( don't know the correct word.... ) around it, the RT/10 hasn't.

Whoops, sorry, faulse info.... I switched them :roll: . The one with the 'black' exhausts, is the RT/10 Concept, the one without them, is the SRT/10. Sorry guys, it won't happed again.

lol, it doesnt matter, even you make mistakes with Vipers
( but still,: SHAME ON YOU :lol: )

And where can you see the exhausts on these pics? :?

a little infront of the back wheel
but Dark wasnt right, this is the same car, look closely and then they both got the same exhaust

both models are brilliant, best 'production' dodge to date IMO...

both same model :lol:

They aren't the same, they are both different cars. One of them has the exhaust i told you about. Look closely:

http://image.collegeclub.com/images/cc/app/contentmanager/uploads/5831.jpg

Now you see the side exhaust? It has some kind of black coloured 'plate' around it. I know i'm right, why won't you believe me!?!

I do believe you, Dark, It's just that I honestly can't see the difference!!! Perhaps I need to change my glasses?? :? :?

Look to the other car, it has on the same place and it has the same Exhaust
and if you look close you will see its excactly the same dodge, but a little difference in color

http://www.familycar.com/Future/Images/2003ViperLFront.jpg

Jim, i appreciate the fact that you believe me. But can't you really see the difference? Look at the side exhausts of them both.... They're really different.

Marshall, they have the exhausts on the same place, yes, but one of them has something black around it. And their colors are the same, it's the quality of the photo that's different.

no they arent different, maybe you look not good enough, they are both excactly thesame

Perhaps if you could find a more detailed pic (highres) then we could see the difference.

Ok, i came up with hard evidence this time :wink: . Look at this one:

http://www.dodgevipersrt10.com/10.jpg

And Marshalls'. You see the exhausts?

Darkvenom's right. There is a slight difference in the exhaust. It's realy hard to tell, because the pictures are of rather low quality.

that can be an other dodge, but on my pics, they are both thesame

Dark if you find that other dodge whit same Res and Viewd from the same side, then we can better deside

Thank you for your feedback F1356 :) !

Marshall, the cars on your pics are different, how many times do i have to tell you!?! Look closely at the exhausts and if you have average eyes, you should see the difference.

Well... I guess I'll have to believe without seeing. :lol:

I guess... But F1356 saw it too, so why can't you? Please, take one more, good look.

Ok I think I noticed sth now...

lol, i still aint seeing the difference

yeah there is no difference!

yeah, you see Jim and Dark, im not the only one who thinks that

well this is just turning into a big spam-feast.
Of course there is a difference! darkvenom is right! :D

LOL :lol: ! It's true, though .... :roll:

By the way, i explained both of these questions' answers to Marshall, but he wouldn't believe me.... People, please answer these 2 questions so we can all see i'm right:

What's the most important on a car?

What's faster, drifting or gripping?

Thank you all for considering, i think it won't last long till Marshall sees i'm right 8) .

I'd say gripping for the second question. Don't know about the first.

Definitely gripping. You lose seconds when you drift.

lol, oke i beleve you now DarkVennom, but i didnt belvie u cuase u trickt me to say with that new Spyker that u said, while its in real total different :wink:

I told you Marshall ( he wouldn't believe me, no matter what i said :? ! ) ! When it comes to cars, i'm always right ( and you know that! ), but he still never wants to believe me.... And the answer to the first question is ( it surprized me nobody answered it.... ): It's tired, of course! What's more important than that? Nothing!

It's tired, of course! What's more important than that? Nothing!
"Tired"?? :? :?
You mean tyres?

Hehe.... Sorry, i made a little mistake there :roll: .... But hey, i'm right, am i!?!

Well sort of... I admit that tyres are a very important factor, but there are also some other important ones. I mean if you put the best tyres to a Fiat Cinquecento, I guess it wouldn't be a great car... would it?

Every car is good with the correct tyres on it.... I bet cars with the correct tyres on them, could beat cars with way more HP than they have. But it's not only me who thinks it's true; All people who are in the race business ( especially when they are racing on very high pro levels. ), say that tires are the most important, no doubt. Some people cannot imagine how tires could be the most important factor on a car, but it's really true. Power is nothing without control and in real races, cars get set up for the tires and the track, tires won't be made to fit the car. And why do you think tires are kept secret? I mean really, really secret. For example: In F1, teams know almost nothing about the tires that will be fittted on their cars, they may not even put them on by themselfs, that get's done by the tires' company employees.

Every car is good with the correct tyres on it.... I bet cars with the correct tyres on them, could beat cars with way more HP than they have. But it's not only me who thinks it's true; All people who are in the race business ( especially when they are racing on very high pro levels. ), say that tires are the most important, no doubt. Some people cannot imagine how tires could be the most important factor on a car, but it's really true. Power is nothing without control and in real races, cars get set up for the tires and the track, tires won't be made to fit the car. And why do you think tires are kept secret? I mean really, really secret. For example: In F1, teams know almost nothing about the tires that will be fittted on their cars, they may not even put them on by themselfs, that get's done by the tires' company employees.

You are right there, for example, before designing the murcielago i heard many sets of Pirelli PZero Rossos had to be tested under certain conditions, they passed the tests and the results were handed to lambo, tires were adequate to handle their requeriments, then they started the developing of the car (i just heard that, i dont know if that is true)

btw: Dark, there is no rt/10 under production now right? the old rt was replaced by the srt i think, anyway i hope a new gts is underway

You are right there

I'm glad someone finally gives me some feedback on this :) . Good example you brought up, i hope more people get it now :roll: ....

Dark, there is no rt/10 under production now right? the old rt was replaced by the srt i think, anyway i hope a new gts is underway

Yes, the RT/10 models are replaced by the SRT/10's and are currently under production. And yes, luckely there is a GTS coming towards us, but it probably get's produced in '05 or '06. Some say Dodge waits this long because they want to do the same as with the first generation of Vipers, first the RT/10 and 4 years after it, the GTS. It's a long time, but i think we'll be happy when we see the result, after all, for as far as i know, Dodge has never left us down with their designs 8) .

Well I agree with you too, Dark, I just meant that tyres are not the only important factor. :D

and instead of tyres u can do weels like a train, then u ride to :lol:

If you put a trains' wheels under a Viper GTS, i bet my uncle's Opel Meriva is faster when it's in reverse :lol: !

i meand that you put the car some sort of track 8)

but then again, its not a car anymore when its on some sort of track

Prototypes? LOL :lol: ! The SRT/10 on the first photo is a concept, yes, but the second one isn't, that's a normal production RT/10. Dodge has been selling those sins '03!

Yeah, I know that this debate has been buried for quite a long time but I'm afraid there are some corrections to note.

Dark Venom is completely right about the differences between the two Viper pics: the first one is a SRT-10 and the second one is a RT-10. The SRT presents that black fender around the exhaust pipe unlike the RT.
Well, the thing is that RT-10 never went to production. And yes, RT-10 with hypehn and not with backslash. Backslash is for the old RT/10.
The RT-10 was fairly going to production (starting from 2003) but last minute decisions at Dodge's HQ along with the creation of PVO (Performance Vehicle Operation) introduced slight modifications to the project and the RT-10 was transformed into the SRT-10.
As you can see, the SRT-10 was the definitive third-generation Viper. All the Vipers sold so far during this year have SRT specifications. We can say that RT-10 served as pre-concept for the definitive model.