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You need A) A good solid base car that can handle the tuning. If you have to replace alot of internal components, it just takes so much more money B) I personally feel that you should totally modify your internals first. Most negativity towards tuners comes from guys who simply do rims, a paint job, body kit and decals and maybe a booming muffler. I'm fine with that. I understand that they just simply like the looks of thier ride and don't feel the need to race it around. Though there are punks who try to race with just a spoiler and some ground effects, which is pretty funny C) you should probably upgrade your intake manifold, exhaust, all that stuff first. Many factory intakes and exhausts are starving the engine :evil: Good intake/exhaust upgrades can unlock more power than you think and you get better performance and the engine simply will run better. D) you need to decide on Turbo or Normal Aspiration. There's diffrent mods that go with each method. E) Find the best ECU for your car. Jet-Chips are good because they will modify almost anything you have. Neuspeed is a good reliable and good price for power chip for anything Audi/VW or Honda/Accura F) Powerpulleys are a good way to get a bit more power out of your car as well as a short shift kit to get the best speed thruout the powerband. G) thats all basic stuff and then you can get some nice wheels and good tires. Do nothing on the outside for a nice sleeper. I bet you can tune anyworthy car for about 5k and make it rip up the road like that car was never intended too :mrgreen: Stock performance is great and cool, but custom performance instills pride in your fast jet on four wheels. Is that good enough?

all i want to say in this post is one thing.

A tuner is a person who actually go's into his engine internals and finely tune his machine for the most horsepower. He tries so hard to squeeze out that last 1hp. He's proud of what he does. Hi scar is his baby. He spends every waking moment thinkin gof ways to improve handling, boosting horsepower and figuring out how to loose weight.

A tuner is not the kid in back of the class, who just got done watching too fast too furious, and focuses his mind from sports and turns it to cars. He then says "you know what, i want an integra". So his daddy goes out and buys him one. And he wants a body kit. And he wants a big stereo. And he wants tv's. And he wants a flame thrower kit. And even a nitrous bottle (not a small one, like a 250 shot one). So his daddy buys him it and has someone install everything. And the kid drives around at night picking up chicks. It works, and he picks up a mess of chicks.

Now here comes the big diffrence. The kid pulls up to a stoplight next to the tuner. The tuner looks and sees that the kid has all these stickers, so he decides he's going to race him. The light turns green, and the kid is left in the dust. He then decides to use his nitrous, and his engine explodes. The chicks then leave and call him a loser, and then get into the tuner's car.

This is a story i made up to explain the diffrence between a tuner and a ricer. The kid is a ricer, the tuner is a tuner. So, if someone posts something on here that talks about, oh lets say, body kits and wings, shame on you. You should be posting in another post. In my opnion, i think a tuner is somehting that deals with the performance of his car, not the appearence.

AAH! That WORD! Instead of 'ricer', how about poser/ snot nosed whimp/ moron/ a fake/ idiot/ or plain ignorant whelp? These are so much more descriptive :?

But he is right, though.

Raith, i've explained this in another post. I just explained the term "ricer" in my last post. If you noticed, i didn't once mention the word "Asain". To me, the term ricer has nothing to do with the asian race, just the automotive side of it. Infact, there aren't really any ricers that are asian. So, if you think the term ricer is a racist against asians, your mistaken. If thats not the case, and you just don't like the word, i'll take it back. I can't realy call the "ricer" a Wannabe/Poser, because he's not trying to copy the tuner. If so, he's far from it. I'll call him the rich-kid-who-listens-to-hip-hop-and-has-watched-fast-and-furious-too-many-times. Hows that?

I know youre not being racist man. The word itself has ethnic derrogitory roots, it was first used in a hateful manner initially. Negative people who disagreed with someones superficial choices made them conglomerate a word reffering to ethnic origins and said with spite. Okay?

How can the guy not be posing as a street racer? He's got a bodykit to look like the real guys and a muffler to sound like them. thats posing to me. *shrug* he wants people to think that his car is something that its not. Sorry if posing suddenly has a different definition

Raith, please, in your next posts, use words that not only Americans can understand :wink: :roll: !

I said i couldn't say he was a poser of a Tuner, not a street racer. That would be a better name though. Wannabe street racer. I like that beter.

Raith, please, in your next posts, use words that not only Americans can understand :wink: :roll: !
LOLOL
I didn't get 2 words: 'derrogitory' and 'conglomerate'. :? :?

I didn't get 2 words: 'derrogitory' and 'conglomerate'.

Me too, and i don't think we're the only ones :wink: ....

i couldn't tell you what they mean, but if i heard those words in a scentence, i'd figure out what they mean.

conglomerate: basically to gather, or collect
(sorry, I totally mispelled the other word) it's degorgatory and it's "expressive of a very low opinion"
I'm such a goober :oops:

exactly. Thats what i thought they meant. God Raith, us simple folk can't keep up with your fancy college talk!

LOL :lol: !

LOL I do try to keep up, but I miss one or two words now and then... :D
Keep up the level, Raith. :wink:

I read a large portion of the first two posts then had my eyes diverted by the hot neighbor...anyways...The first things I did to my car was...I PAINTED IT!!!! HAHAHAHAHA...suck it, yes that's what I did first, but the very same day i was going to get it painted, I got a new Cat-back system installed, and the third thing i tossed down was the intake and header combo...the most recent thing I've done is get a larger throttle body and a really frickin' good "bang for your buck" cpu upgrade from the fine folks at jet performance. Right now I'm running around 170-175 crankshaft horses, so, around 150 wheel aint bad on a damn aerodynamic 2500lbs car. (1993 Ford Probe)
hehehe...secret weapon for me ain't nitrous...it's a close-ratio five speed...hehehehe...
ALSO!!! I'm scrounging around for enough cash to get a new engine, I'm looking for a 1995 through 1997 Ford Probe or MX-6 (Mazda) engine, I don't know if the engines are compatible but I know the body is, it HAS to be a V-6 the GT engine in 97 had around 200 wheel horsepower...so...that plus a jackson racing supercharger *drools at mouth*
:twisted: :twisted:

interesting. The only thing i did to my future Focus was replace the stock brake rotors with EBC high performance brake rotos and the stock pads with EBC Redstuff pads. They look so cool. Eventually, i plan to put in a cold air intake and throttle body from Steeda, and maybe a exhaust. I don't really plan to go futher than that, because everything else is too expensive and i don't have the garage, time and tools to do anything. Maybe a CPU tuning, but thats it. Maybe, maybe, maybe some stiffer springs and strut tower braces, but thats another story. I would spend my oney for people to install this stuff, but i wan't to devote my time and money to my future kawasaki 250R. The best i could hope for from the stock block from the Zetec is maybe 250hp if i push it, and a 6.7 0-60 maybe. A Kaw 250R does 0-60 in 4 seconds and costs $2,000. Tel me which is more practical.

250R?? Get a Hayabusa!! :lol: :lol:

sorry jim, i'm not a millionaire like you. I couldn't find a hayabusa for $2,000. They go for more like $15,000. Anyway, thats a really big bike for a beginner. I'd probaly kill myself.

sorry jim, i'm not a millionaire like you. I couldn't find a hayabusa for $2,000. They go for more like $15,000. Anyway, thats a really big bike for a beginner. I'd probaly kill myself.
LOL come on man, I was just kidding... I'm not a milionaire either!!
I know it's around 15k, and I know it would kill you. I wouldn't buy it even if I had the money.

You seriously coundn't tell that I was kidding? :?

HEY HEY EVRYONE THIS MIGHT BE IT IF YOU HAVE ANYMORE PUT IT IN IF NOT THEN PUT SOMETHING IN.

k, here it goes for me...........

i would first do little things (say, cool air intake, header, exhaust, etc) then work my way up to bigger things like the springs, struts, traction bar, 5 spoke racing rims, and then redo and polish all of the internals (ie change engine block, valve head, pistons, compression ratio, valve springs, valves, connecting rod, etc.)..........

my car would be an n/a cuz of the better response of the engine and the higher speed into the corner (plus, showing that u have an n/a i think shows that u have more skill in driving your car instead of using turbos to make up for the driving expertise u dont have)............

I dunno......did that all sound pretty clear? I gotta do homework now and cant proofread.......damn homework :evil:

mopar :arrow: r u gonna tune your bike once u get it :?: :?: :?:
dunno, just wondering :D

aahhh... and out come the wolfs enforcing political correctness. God how I hate pc. Who cares if he used the word ricer or riceboy. Most riceboys I've come across are white. Most riced-out cars are owned by white people over here. So I guess I have to take offense to that lol because I guess riceboy technically is insulting to white people. Oh my god when I saw this post I was laughing my ****ing head off! Anyways back on topic...

If I were to EVER supe up a ricecar, this is the way I'd do it...

1. Get a old Datsun Stationwaggon
2. Reinforce everything i.e. differential and suspension
3. Make the engine cavity much bigger
4. Get a 426 hemi in there
5. Get Blue Bottle Exhaust (Headers)
6. K&N Air Filtration System
7. Get nice rims and slicks
8. Supercharger
8. Race it and beat the pants off of everyone who underestimates my sleeper

Technically this is not a real ricer so if I were to stick with an original motor I'd do the following:

1. Buy a 2004 Honda Accord V6
2. Get a K&N Air Filtration system
3. Edelbrock Headers
4. Flowmaster Muffler
5. Racing chip
6. Most Powerful Turbocharger
7. American Eagle Mags
8. Some Fiberglass parts and Acid-dipped.
9. Race my underdog and be able to embarrass a lot of people on the street.

Forgot to add in:

1. Port Polish
2. Engine Balancing
3. Newer parts for the motor (I am unfamiliar with fuel injected cars)
4. I may get a supercharger instead of a turbocharger

And btw I HAVE seen a four-banger datsun stationwaggon break 12 in the quarter mile... funny story actually I'll post it in the Street Racing stories soon...

your accord sounds more like a car then a ricer its not over the top and its simple

hmmmmmmmm........I guess i am insulting stupid whiteboy posers (and mexicans i see with stupid elantras wid 6 inch exhausts and....<oh>, dont let me start my seeings from my great vacation to mexico)................. :D :D :D

but nice idea corn (the datsun wid the hemi in it)............
I would really wanna see dat......neber seen a hemi dropped into a datsun in my life.........probably never will until u do it lol :D :D :D

i found soemthing really really cool, its an accord with a chevy small block it has like 522hp!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2433087989&c ategory=6254#ebayphotohosting

i found soemthing really really cool, its an accord with a chevy small block it has like 522hp!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2433087989&c ategory=6254#ebayphotohosting

wow...

that's pretty sick and twisted....I like it! hee hee

that's pretty sick and twisted....I like it! hee hee\

Yeah and I'm willing to bet that that guy makes a fool of quite a lot of people on the street lol!

what do you think he runs? i'm guessing like low 11's ore ven lower then that its a light car with a huge engine

what do you think he runs? i'm guessing like low 11's ore ven lower then that its a light car with a huge engine

no a small block with over 500 hp? probably low 10s!

thats freakin insane man

damn, thats a real sleeper lol :D :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why do you guys waste your time on these pointless cars? A Probe and a Focus lol FORD can eat a fat one. What they got to the wheels 150hp and that is good according to you. Know what your talking about till ya get into this **** other then that it is a waste of time.

No crap the probe and focus are crappy.....we're just tryin to find the best sleeper....thats all......some car that you might not expect to beat you

go to this site some really sleeper honda civics http://www.cheesefrog.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album32&op=mod load&name=gallery&file=index&include=vie w_album.php&PHPSESSID=54f3d1914688d34e40 1f85c4431eb73b

the black civic on the right beat a dodge viper!

Cool... there's also a video!

Why do you guys waste your time on these pointless cars? A Probe and a Focus lol FORD can eat a fat one. What they got to the wheels 150hp and that is good according to you. Know what your talking about till ya get into this [censored] other then that it is a waste of time.

Huh???
First off, I am "into" this "****" as you call it, and yes, 150 cheap, naturally aspirated horsepower from a a ten year old car is good. Also, the thing weighs 2500 lbs, the five speed close ratio allows me to hit 60 in 7.0 seconds. with a 150 horsepower...So, for a total of 150-160 horsepower and a little of 3 grand, I own a sporty, light weight day-tday car that I don't have to worry about dinging up when I pull the e-brake around a turn and drift into my neighbors fence...Which my buddy did in his car...So, what are you runnin'?? If it's good feel free to post it, but just to let you know, I could go to my bank, get a $35,000 loan, and go buy a Cobra, a 350Z, an Sti, or a pre-owned supra. But ya' know, I think I'll keep myself out of financial hell and just deal with my "crappy ford"....

Also, if you're going to say something, and call me a waste of time, add somehting to your statement, like a CONNECTION TO THE TOPIC, how do you supe up your car??
Your name is "300GT" like the older one that hit 60, in oh, 7.0 seconds, just like my "crappy ford", or are you talking about the new, 3000GT?? in which case you not only made an ass out of yourself for screwing up your own name, but also ended up spending over 40 grand on a heavy, no longer competitive car. I pity you..

Finally, this is a website where we don't go around picking personal fights, so if you do have a personal problem with me, I personally challenge you to drive up to Poughkeepsie NY, and we'll go hit the roads, see who ends up walking home...

thank you vey much Ghalos. glad you don't take stupid ignorant talk like that :wink:

DAMN.........thats the only sleeper civic site ive ever seen......all the rest have all this show car crap...... :P :P :P

DAMN.........thats the only sleeper civic site ive ever seen......all the rest have all this show car crap...... :P :P :P

Yeah now you've seen 3 lol!

im glad lolololol :D :D :D

Ghalos yo what car do you have is it an imporrt ?

thats wat im thinking

Ghalos yo what car do you have is it an imporrt ?
I'm pretty sure he's got a Probe. Thats the car with the 150 hp and 2500 poound weight that was being talked about, unless I'm totally retarded...which is quite possible :lol:

lmao not retarted but thanks

three words for more power AIR-FUEL-SPARK the more of these things you can get the more power u get tada not so hard right..... wrong. all three can be achieved different ways also. so start reading about all the different aftermarket part an learning just like everyone else. p.s. just remember that unless blown <turbo,supercharger,ram air, etc.> your engine is just a big pump that uses air gas an sprk ......peace

by the way already turned my stock dx hatch into a sleeper. started out as a 5 speed 1.5l 1988 honda civic dx hatch an i swapped over to a full b16a with tranny an everything for under $1500. twice as much power in a 1800lb car is incredible. all i have to say is jdm=wheeeeeee..going from 108hp to 160hp is a nice thing let me tell u. an thats still b4 mods. hey an u cant go wrong with all the aftermarket parts they have for b16a1 engines either. 1st gen si-r are the best deal although i still wish i put it in the slightly lighter crx. but hey i can carry 4 ppl now so. 8200 rpms here i come. an its all about the power to weight ratio...p.s.its still stock an i roast people. 8)

by the way already turned my stock dx hatch into a sleeper. started out as a 5 speed 1.5l 1988 honda civic dx hatch an i swapped over to a full b16a with tranny an everything for under $1500. twice as much power in a 1800lb car is incredible. all i have to say is jdm=wheeeeeee..going from 108hp to 160hp is a nice thing let me tell u. an thats still b4 mods. hey an u cant go wrong with all the aftermarket parts they have for b16a1 engines either. 1st gen si-r are the best deal although i still wish i put it in the slightly lighter crx. but hey i can carry 4 ppl now so. 8200 rpms here i come. an its all about the power to weight ratio...p.s.its still stock an i roast people. 8)

i also have a 98 civic coupe..im also plannin on doin a swap with a B16..alot of ppl are sayin its a good choice..but i think H22 would fit as well and u get 200HP w/o mods..

civics? I'd never get one. There are too many stupid ppl driving it in Toronto. Being chinese myself, there are just TOO MANY idiot chinese drivers (both male and female).
Dun check blind spot, doesnt check if there are speeding car coming before changing lanes (he's stuck in traffic, im not) And I ALWAYS run into these situations with civics... dunno why.

The Espirt Civic is SICK though, put Amuse S2000.

If I HAD the money, I'd get a new car, lol.. no one Im fixing my car. too many things broken/breaking.

Assuming I have money and a new car.

1 - front/rear tower braces, front/rear sways bars
2 - intake/headers then exhaust (with silencer, i dun like the loud sound, cant chat in the car)
3 - Racing cams, new camshaft, spark plugs/ecu, gauges (since redline will be different)
4 - stiffer/lower a little bit (1inch?) struts and shocks.
5 - speakers if stock ones suck
6 - increase compression (has to be able to use 92 octane, highest i can get here)
7 - racing flywheel, new tires.
8 - high flow oil pump, oil cooler, stronger coolant or something to keep engine cold (<-- dunno anything bout enhancing car cooling, lol)
9 - drive off before my guardian kills me for 'wasting so much money'

If I could say anything about fixing up a car...id say start ass-end backwards. Dont go out and get a 200hp engine then decide hey im gonna race it, then find out your tires cant handle the speed and the handling that your new performance brings. Personally, I posted this before, I would start off doing the brakes, tires and suspension first. put the new engine in, get an exhaust that can handle the desired performance, then work on the engine...Nothing is better than a person who screws up the car by giving it power that it cannot handle

all i want to say in this post is one thing.

A tuner is a person who actually go's into his engine internals and finely tune his machine for the most horsepower. He tries so hard to squeeze out that last 1hp. He's proud of what he does. Hi scar is his baby. He spends every waking moment thinkin gof ways to improve handling, boosting horsepower and figuring out how to loose weight.

A tuner is not the kid in back of the class, who just got done watching too fast too furious, and focuses his mind from sports and turns it to cars. He then says "you know what, i want an integra". So his daddy goes out and buys him one. And he wants a body kit. And he wants a big stereo. And he wants tv's. And he wants a flame thrower kit. And even a nitrous bottle (not a small one, like a 250 shot one). So his daddy buys him it and has someone install everything. And the kid drives around at night picking up chicks. It works, and he picks up a mess of chicks.

Now here comes the big diffrence. The kid pulls up to a stoplight next to the tuner. The tuner looks and sees that the kid has all these stickers, so he decides he's going to race him. The light turns green, and the kid is left in the dust. He then decides to use his nitrous, and his engine explodes. The chicks then leave and call him a loser, and then get into the tuner's car.

This is a story i made up to explain the diffrence between a tuner and a ricer. The kid is a ricer, the tuner is a tuner. So, if someone posts something on here that talks about, oh lets say, body kits and wings, shame on you. You should be posting in another post. In my opnion, i think a tuner is somehting that deals with the performance of his car, not the appearence.

Hahaha, dude!!! You need to like stop reading my life story out in public like this, man. LOL!!! My colleagues made me sit down and watch The Fast and Furious (yeah, only the first one). After that, I swear I wanted to go out and find a cop somewhere and race him. Hahahahaha. Lol, but really now. I really like those kinds of cars. What is it, Integra? lol, would it count if perhaps I actually load up an Integra with the stereo system, body kit and everything, and then tune it up after all that's installed? I mean like, spend the rest of my days tuning it up? Lol, does that count? Let me know! Because after watching that movie...I wanna get one! Hahaha.

ok everyone i'm new here and just joined.

i got a 97 camaro with automatic transmission. i'm looking forward to upgrade some stuff or as far as i know. i would like to get some ideas about it from you guys, also am a college student as you can understand money dont grow on trees, lol.

a couple things i considered buying is a super charger turbo, its an electric supercharger which also come with high flow air filter. the seller also claims that electric supercharger comes in - it requires no extensive modifications, and better yet - no belt to rob your engine of horsepower! This supercharger draws its 12 volts off the power that your alternator is already making! With over 500 CFM, this powerful supercharger will create up to 2.1 psi - all at the flick of a switch. And even though powerful, it will not damage your engine with overwhelming pressure - no bent/broken rods, no blow-by, no detonation - it is completely safe for your car's engine. Just flip the cockpit mounted switch at full throttle, and the powerful supercharger capable of running over 8000 rpm will supply your engine with all of the boost it will need. No need for a boost controller, or other expensive gadgetry .
i wanna know if its really the way its claimed or that hes just trying to sell his product. i always tried to have a better car with a better engine but never had enough money for it, so now that i got some i guess i'll upgrade something atleast.
thanx guys:cool:

PLEASE don't post in old dead threads!..... Welcome to SCF!!!!!

(Somebody please lock this.....)

And even though powerful, it will not damage your engine with overwhelming pressure - no bent/broken rods, no blow-by, no detonation - it is completely safe for your car's engine.

Wow.. 2 pounds of boost. No wonder it wouldn't hurt your engine. That is so miniscule....