Ok, this is SUGGESTIONS ONLY, no "BLAH BLAH BLAH" arguments, just toss down power to weight ratios, styling idea's etc... on how you think American cars should look, because, let's face it people, American cars are catching up, but it took way too long and it caused a generation of American buyers to look elsewhere...

I only care about sports cars really, soooooo

1)The Viper needs a more high quality feel in its interior items, that's it, god knows that BEAST OF AN ENGINE is fine...

2)The Cobra needs better interior apointments also, and a few added styling tweakes, maybe bigger wheels tires?? But the new Mustang GT looked OBSCENELY awesome at the NY Auto show, so i can't really complain, hell, I really want to buy one, damn my low-paying job and college!!!

3)The Neon SRT-4, please oh GOD please, don't call it a neon, it needs a more sinister name like, "That which eats imports for breakfast" or "The black sheep of the family"
or maybe "HOLY ****!!! THAT'S A NEON!!!!" And for GOD's SAKE! make it REAR wheel drive, the thing torque steers like crazy, my friend let me drive his, FASSST....

4)Bring the Camaro and Firebird models back, then we'll talk...

5)Make the GTO, ummmm....not suck!!! Styling, needs to look more sports car, not sedan...it's a grand-am with a bigger, much, engine...

God, I can't think anymore, so, yeah, keep it to suggestions only, no fighting,
or I swear to god I'll buy an aztek...oh god, WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING!?!?!?!?!
:?: :?: :?:

interesting topic

1) The viper should come in a couple of diffrent models. First, the budget one. It would be priced around the same as the base vette, and powered by the hemi found in the ram, tweaked to about 375hp.

2) GM, Ford and Chysler need to make a good, quality econo car. It shouldn't be a street pounder, but something zippy, and with a quality twice as good as the civic and corolla. Right now, the cavelier and neon have terrible build quality. The Focus is ok, but it could be better.

3) We need to make a REAL sports sedan. One to keep up with the RS6, E55 and M5. Take the Lincon LS. That should be the american sports sedan. It would be perfect. A stock LS is already pretty fast. Take a supercharged V-8 from the Cobra, and try to tweak it to produce 425hp or something. We would own that market.

4) Sure, Chysler has the SRT-4. But where is the pocket rocket love (he hehe he) from Ford and GM? SVT focus is cool, but has at least 100hp less then the SRT-4 (i read a dyno test- The SVT was about 150hp, and the SRT-4 was about 240hp) We need the RS. But not the british version. We need some real, good old fashioned, naturally asperaited horsepower. We already know people have put V-8's into the focus without much greif. So, our RS should have the mach 1 V-8, rated at 305hp. There would be nothing, i mean nothing on the street like it. And from GM, the saturn ion redline is a start, but come on, it's a saturn.

5) We need a real muscle car. I'm talking REAL muscle. And the intrepid is right down the muscle car alley. Take the V-10 from the viper, shoe horn it in the engine bay, put some bumble bee stripes on the back, and you've got the reincarnation of the scat pack. Note: a viper engine in a intreped is pretty far fetched, but look at the tomahawk.

6) finally, we need a real, light weight sports car. Something to compete with the up and coming lotus Elise. It could be built by chevy, and it could be called the Destroyer (corvette is a ship, and a destroyer is smaller, get it!). It would be very, very basic. Only the nessicary creature comforts should be added. i could be built on, oh, lets say, a malibu chassis. It should be real agressive looking. It could have the supercharged 260hp V-6 from the impala SS, mid-mounted of course. I should be really sleek looking, but only a foot or two longer than the elise.

The Aztek should look better. There should be a V6 version of the Sunfire and Cavalier!

I've got a great suggestion for spyker!
They should make less nice and powerfull but one not as expensive as 200.000$ More like 30.000 or 40... Do you guys think it's a good idea? :)

Ok, I was thinking this earlier too, My ford Probe looks hot, it's the 2nd generation one, the sleek one, anyways, bring it back, re-name it, and toss in a 230 horsepower v-6 AT LEAST!!!! Finally, keep the weight where my cars is, aroiund 2600lbs, then add the close ratio 5 speed, with an electronic overdrive, the car already handles REALLY good...STOCK...anyways, give it more power, and sell it for 20grand...

HERE's THE CATCH WITH ALL CARS IN THE US...they have to be sleek, like my car...not plastic panels with creases, ugh...creases on 4 bangers piss me off, they have no muscle under their hoods to push air around rough edges...I know a bunch of people are gonna get pissed at this, but, oh well, toss in your own suggestions...

yeah, sleek for sure...we need less cops and less speed limits too...lol :D

You need to build engines with smaller displacement and higher hp/lt figures. You also need to adopt smaller dimensions in your cars. Stiffer suspensions, better build quality, MANUAL gearboxes, better steering systems, sportier car set-ups, less focus on trucks and SUVs, better interior materials, better gas mileages, newer technologies, create some 4WD systems, export your cars outside the US with reasonable prices.
Is that enough?

Yo, Jim, send over some prices on the mustangs and vettes, and other US cars, i don't know 'em...

Also, you'll understand when I say this...

NOTE TO ALFA ROMEO: "COME BACK TO US SO I CAN BUY A 147GTA!!!!!!"

oh man that car is sexy...oh so sexy...

If the us manufactures could make a car like that, then they'd be making some serious paper...instead, they make econoboxes to piss me off, I swear it's a conspiracy... :shock:

Here are my points, they don't really follow any sort of guidlines, as you will see

#1 stop making so many F-ing SUV's and Trucks, aight?

#2 start bringing in the good cars that currently are only in Australia and/or Europe(cough cough, Holden and Ford!)

#3 this is for people who don't like the new GTO. Bite me! You put a Grand Am by a GTO and you will wet your pants because of how much better the GTO looks. It's a V-8 sports coupe with Rear Wheel Drive. The only other cars you can compare it with are the SVT Cobra and Corvette. I'm pretty sure it will be cheaper than either.

#4 I agree with the stupidity of these "sports" sedans or coupes ar ANYTHING thats front wheel drive. V-6 + FWD = crap. This symtpon effects not only Pontiac cars. GM has tainted the SS versions of the their Monte Carlo and Impala with sucky engines AND havning them Front Wheel Driven. The importing and conversion to American badges of the Australian cars will fix this quite well.

#5 Start making cars that aren't simply cheap and barely functional. People will buy these because of their price, but just because something is popular, doesn't make it a good product.

#6.....okay, there is no number six, I'm spent for now :wink:

chiao
:mrgreen:

ok jim, this is really pissing me off now. Why does everyone think that american cars just have bigass V-8's? Everyone thinks we are years behind in our technology. Truth be told, we have very few V-8 cars. MOst of our cars have V-6's and such. Take ford for example. The only 3 cars they have with V-8s are the GT, Mustang and Crown Vic. the only car you can get from chevy with a V-8 is corvette. You can't even get a car from dodge with a V-8. Most american sedans and such use either V-6's or L4's. And the V-8's we do use are not iron-block carbourated pushrod 427's. They are small, efficent and very advanced, mush like the ones found a BMW or Mercedes. So lay off with the "americans only use big, slow, and ineffecent engines". Cause we don't
Talk about stereotypes.

I agree with mopar. Okay I think that America should bring back rear engine cars like the Pontiac Fiero. Yes! They should bring back the Fiero! They should also have more V8 cars. I think we should also bring back the inline-6!

Yo, Jim, send over some prices on the mustangs and vettes, and other US cars, i don't know 'em...
The problem is that most american cars are NOT sold in most european countries, because their prices would be too high. Some are sold, however.
Some examples (prices in Greece):
Corvette coupe (manual): 103k euros
Cadillac Seville 4.6: 77k euros
Cadillac CTS: 53k euros

Hmm... not as expensive as I thought. :roll:

:arrow: mopar: Engines were but a small portion of my post... But generally you'll have to admit that your engines have disappointingly low hp/lt.

I've got a great suggestion for spyker!
They should make less nice and powerfull but one not as expensive as 200.000$ More like 30.000 or 40... Do you guys think it's a good idea? :)

LOL Mclaren the spyker is 200.000 Euro Ex BTW, so its around 250.000 Euro, its more expensive, and for its power is it pritty expensive,
looks specs of Spyker C8 Double 12R
BHP:450
0-100 KMH( or 0-60 MH ) below 4 sec
wieght: 1000 Kg

0-100 KMH( or 0-60 MH ) below 4 sec

actually thats 0-62 if u do the conversion

I've got a great suggestion for spyker!
They should make less nice and powerfull but one not as expensive as 200.000$ More like 30.000 or 40... Do you guys think it's a good idea? :)

LOL Mclaren the spyker is 200.000 Euro Ex BTW, so its around 250.000 Euro, its more expensive, and for its power is it pritty expensive,
looks specs of Spyker C8 Double 12R
BHP:450
0-100 KMH( or 0-60 MH ) below 4 sec
wieght: 1000 Kg

Yeah but they should make it a lot less powerfull like a clio V6! or...

Yeah but they should make it a lot less powerfull like a clio V6! or...

Lol why less powerfull, your joking right?????? :?
if they make it less powerfull it wil go much slower, top speed now is around 340 KMP ( or 180MH, but im not sure of this )

actually thats 0-62 if u do the conversion

yeah but everyone says 0-60, and its much easier to remember

oh sorry i rearead what u said Mclaren, i meant something else,LOL :lol:
sorry about that, next time i read better :wink:

no, i don't see them having low output at all. A base Eco-tec four cylinder from GM has roughly 140hp. The Civic, Corolla, Lancer, etc. all have about the same output for the same size engine. The SVT focus has a N/A powered 4 cylinder which pumps out about 170 horsepower. The Civic Si gets 160 or something like it. Yes, the type R can get 200 or so, but i'm sure ford could squeeze some more hp out of it's engine. Call me crazy jim, but i think the outputs from american and overseas 4 cylinders are roughly the same.

And isint spyker European? I didn't think they were american.

The "SVT Focus" as you call it is constructed in Germany and in Europe it has the name Focus ST170. The engine is constructed by German engineers, in a German factory in Köln.
Civic is a japanese car...
And "Eco-tec" engines are made by Opel, if I'm not mistaken, and Opel is a German company. :D

(And yes Spyker is European)

Yes, but they are still owned by american manufacterurs. So, they are of american design. Are you saying that the a 4 cylinder made in germany is more powerful than the same exact four cylinder, same materials, techniques and desgin, made in America? Jim, it makes no diffrence. The Eco tec is of american design, and the SVT focus engine is basiccly a beefier Zetec engine, which is also of american design. I still don't get what you are trying to say. That it's impossible to make a decent four banger on american shores? Because it isn't.

I know they are owned by american companies, but still, they were designed and developped by European engineers and according to the European standards...
Anyway, these engines are probably exceptions...
I was mostly referring to some older american engines with HUGE displacement and small HP.
I mean I've never seen an american engine beat some VTECs and some other nice European engines.
Anyway, don't really bother, cause we're going into too much detail now. America was sleepy in the car industry for many years and is now starting to build a better image.
I know that once (1900-1960) America was leading the car industry, but at some point Europe went ahead, and still is.

Anyway please let it drop we should continue with the topic discussion.

ok. :D

The "SVT Focus" as you call it is constructed in Germany and in Europe it has the name Focus ST170. The engine is constructed by German engineers, in a German factory in Köln.
Civic is a japanese car...
And "Eco-tec" engines are made by Opel, if I'm not mistaken, and Opel is a German company. :D

(And yes Spyker is European)

GM has 51% ownership of Opel!

no, i don't see them having low output at all. A base Eco-tec four cylinder from GM has roughly 140hp. The Civic, Corolla, Lancer, etc. all have about the same output for the same size engine. The SVT focus has a N/A powered 4 cylinder which pumps out about 170 horsepower. The Civic Si gets 160 or something like it. Yes, the type R can get 200 or so, but i'm sure ford could squeeze some more hp out of it's engine. Call me crazy jim, but i think the outputs from american and overseas 4 cylinders are roughly the same.

And isint spyker European? I didn't think they were american.
While all your points are valid, in general, American cars have very bad specific outputs. The Viper has the lowest hp/l of any car that i know of. Also, the Corvette and the Porsche Carrera GT have the same size engine, and the Porsche makes 200 more horse power. The Subaru WRX STi has an engine .1 liters larger than the SRT-4, and makes 50-75 more horsepower. The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution has an engine .4 liters smaller than the dodge, and makes 30-40 more horsepower. i could go on and on forever, but ultimately, it really doesn't matter, and the only advantage that comes from having a smaller engine is less weight.

The "SVT Focus" as you call it is constructed in Germany and in Europe it has the name Focus ST170. The engine is constructed by German engineers, in a German factory in Köln.
Civic is a japanese car...
And "Eco-tec" engines are made by Opel, if I'm not mistaken, and Opel is a German company. :D

(And yes Spyker is European)
GM has 51% ownership of Opel!
I know, but that does not mean that Opel is American!
Opel still is a German company, and utilizes European technologies, plants, and engineers.

Actually, F1356WRCRS, sport compact magazine had a 10 best cars list. They put the Evo and the SRT-4 on it. They had dyno tests, and much to my suprise, the SRT-4 was almost even with the EVO. I'd imagine it's the same for the STi. I can't prove the "american 4 cylinders are the same as japanese", because the engine in the SRT-4 is made by Mistubishi. I'm just saying the Evo and SRT-4 are about the same, power wise.

IMO,American cars have not to change their style.Those big ugly Americans have their taste and they need to keep it like that...They changed that already but there are some cars at least... :wink:

Actually, F1356WRCRS, sport compact magazine had a 10 best cars list. They put the Evo and the SRT-4 on it. They had dyno tests, and much to my suprise, the SRT-4 was almost even with the EVO. I'd imagine it's the same for the STi. I can't prove the "american 4 cylinders are the same as japanese", because the engine in the SRT-4 is made by Mistubishi. I'm just saying the Evo and SRT-4 are about the same, power wise.
Probably right. I've seen dyno tests of the SRT-4 that have gotten power outputs close to the Lancer Evo. But The Subaru Wrx Sti has 30 more horsepower than the Lancer, so it's not that close. No matter how much horsepower the Srt-4 has, it can't even come close to the Lancer Evo and Wrx STi in any other way. It could probably beat a base Wrx, and could definaterly beat a Lancer Ralliart, though.

the SRT-4 uses a Mitsubishi developed engine and Mitsubishi TD04 turbocharger(allows about 11 to 14 psi) its basically the same one as the EVO but stripped down, top speed on the srt-4 is like 148mph and tge WRX is aorund 144mph, both cars are great but the subaru has the advantage of the AWD

no, i don't see them having low output at all. A base Eco-tec four cylinder from GM has roughly 140hp. The Civic, Corolla, Lancer, etc. all have about the same output for the same size engine. The SVT focus has a N/A powered 4 cylinder which pumps out about 170 horsepower. The Civic Si gets 160 or something like it. Yes, the type R can get 200 or so, but i'm sure ford could squeeze some more hp out of it's engine. Call me crazy jim, but i think the outputs from american and overseas 4 cylinders are roughly the same.

And isint spyker European? I didn't think they were american.
While all your points are valid, in general, American cars have very bad specific outputs. The Viper has the lowest hp/l of any car that i know of. Also, the Corvette and the Porsche Carrera GT have the same size engine, and the Porsche makes 200 more horse power. The Subaru WRX STi has an engine .1 liters larger than the SRT-4, and makes 50-75 more horsepower. The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution has an engine .4 liters smaller than the dodge, and makes 30-40 more horsepower. i could go on and on forever, but ultimately, it really doesn't matter, and the only advantage that comes from having a smaller engine is less weight.

If the Viper is built so poorly, then why does the top-of-the-line Viper break the 12-second quarter mile barrier? How much cheaper is the SRT-4 vs. the Impreza. Same thing with the Corvette vs. Carrera. The Evolution is also a lot more expensive than a Neon!

Anyways I agree with Jim that we should stop arguing and get back on topic. I think that they should have an optional higher-end motor in the Neon and Sunfire. They should also have the Ford Escorts the same as they are in Europe (do they make them any more) and have more power. They should bring back the Ford Probe and put about 50 more horsepower into it at least. America should design a sport-compact car like the civic with awesome gas mileage. The Mustang should have an optional bigger motor with more horsepower. Chevrolet should bring back the Camaro within the next few years with a new design; if the 2005 Mustang works out, the Camaro should also try the same thing. Saleen should start making lower-end cars and utilise a V-10. Buick should make a high-end sports car. That's all I can think of right now...

u forogt one mroe thing.... HIGHER QUALITY PLASTICS! in american cars

You need to build engines with smaller displacement and higher hp/lt figures. You also need to adopt smaller dimensions in your cars. Stiffer suspensions, better build quality, MANUAL gearboxes, better steering systems, sportier car set-ups, less focus on trucks and SUVs, better interior materials, better gas mileages, newer technologies, create some 4WD systems, export your cars outside the US with reasonable prices.
Is that enough?


That´s the way, that wath the american brand shoul do to get the real stuff to comare with all europeans brands, and it has a great point, the quality, that a real importan aspect in the cars, that the american brands, not all the time see, the dimensions, they should be able to be compare with other cars outside the USA, the gas mileage is realy importan, in Europ, the gas is not realy cheap, i thin that in asia is too,
that manual gearboxes is agrat piont, some people like to feel the drive, .

To me this is a great contibution.

...so you actually agree with me :?:

Hey Capitan Lento (Captain is spelled wrong...) and what does HGW stand for?

Hey Capitan Lento (Captain is spelled wrong...) and what does HGW stand for?

:arrow: Capitán is Spanisch (Español)
:arrow: HGW = Hansestandt Greifswald

Hey Capitan Lento (Captain is spelled wrong...) and what does HGW stand for?

:arrow: Capitán is Spanisch (Español)
:arrow: HGW = Hansestandt Greifswald


and where exactly is that? In English please!

think its in germany lol :?

OK First off, GM does make a 4-banger which competes with the Lotus Elise. In fact there are two of them. One is the Opel Speedster, and the other is a Vauxhaul VX-220

They are basically US & Euro versions of the same car.

And as far as muscle car advise, GM is soon to release GTO's again. Hello?? Anybody know what that is?? IT'S A MUSCLE CAR....with a V8.

I think they should include a supercharged version from the factory.....basically what they have done with the Saturn ION Redline, but with the bigger version.
Oh yeah and somebody was talking smack about Saturns and I must say, my first car was a Saturn SL. It weighed 2100 pounds, was a 5 speed manual. I put a turbo on it that pushed the stock 104 hp up to about 192. That car was faster than a stock mustang GT, so whenever you pull up next to one of those redlines, you might toss him a little benefit of the doubt...

Hey Capitan Lento (Captain is spelled wrong...) and what does HGW stand for?











:arrow: Capitán is Spanisch (Español)





:arrow: HGW = Hansestandt Greifswald

















and where exactly is that? In English please!





Is one city in the state of Mecklenburg Vorpommer,, i that nort of Germany.





Zacatecas is my hometown in México, :arrow:

Hey Capitan Lento (Captain is spelled wrong...) and what does HGW stand for?











:arrow: Capitán is Spanisch (Español)





:arrow: HGW = Hansestandt Greifswald

















and where exactly is that? In English please!





Is one city in the state of Mecklenburg Vorpommer,, i that nort of Germany.





Zacatecas is my hometown in México, :arrow:


thx...

Wow, that's a very cool name for a town. I thought my own home town of "Vandalia" was uniqe....hee hee

I live in Westfield, which sounds all rich and snooty. I hate it. any way, GO SRT-4!!!

I don't know how you guys feel on this subject, but i think that it's messed up that export 'vettes and 'stangs get what we dont here... amber turn signals. That why i like the '79-'93 stangs... they seperated the stop lights from the turn signals. Also they wouldn't have to be amber... just seperated from the stop light.

that's funny, bring back the Fiero...hope you know that was a rebadged Toyota MR2

Big ass V8 - Crown Vic/Police Interceptor 4.6L V8, 239hp
Not a big ass V6 - Honda Accord EX 3.0L V6 240hp.

Lotus Elise (or some Lotus) uses a Toyota Celica engine...GM puts Honda V6's in the Saturn Vue

We'll know in a few years if Detroit improved the quality of its cars. What I would hope Detroit does is complying with emissions controls by changing minor things in its engines and actually do some engine research and development. 3.5L 175 hp??? 3.8L 200 hp??? While there's no replacement for displacement, that's just wasted space, compared to Nissan 3.5L putting out between 245 and 287hp. If they invested some money into making their average cars perform better (displacement to hp ratio), Detroit wouldn't have to give their cars away AND lose market share every quarter.


(sorry for the essays, I just enjoy this board's discussions and like writing essays)

that's funny, bring back the Fiero...hope you know that was a rebadged Toyota MR2

Big ass V8 - Crown Vic/Police Interceptor 4.6L V8, 239hp
Not a big ass V6 - Honda Accord EX 3.0L V6 240hp.

Lotus Elise (or some Lotus) uses a Toyota Celica engine...GM puts Honda V6's in the Saturn Vue

We'll know in a few years if Detroit improved the quality of its cars. What I would hope Detroit does is complying with emissions controls by changing minor things in its engines and actually do some engine research and development. 3.5L 175 hp??? 3.8L 200 hp??? While there's no replacement for displacement, that's just wasted space, compared to Nissan 3.5L putting out between 245 and 287hp. If they invested some money into making their average cars perform better (displacement to hp ratio), Detroit wouldn't have to give their cars away AND lose market share every quarter.


(sorry for the essays, I just enjoy this board's discussions and like writing essays)

Wow that's a pretty ***ty interceptor. Interceptors over here can keep up with the highest end porsches... you must mean cruisers. The interceptors are meant to chase down the fastest cars. I repeat, you must mean the cruisers, plus, they need more room in the car so it has to have four doors and be bigger. And another, that Crown Victoria is an older version :roll:
And that's about it...

that's funny, bring back the Fiero...hope you know that was a rebadged Toyota MR2

Big ass V8 - Crown Vic/Police Interceptor 4.6L V8, 239hp
Not a big ass V6 - Honda Accord EX 3.0L V6 240hp.

Lotus Elise (or some Lotus) uses a Toyota Celica engine...GM puts Honda V6's in the Saturn Vue

We'll know in a few years if Detroit improved the quality of its cars. What I would hope Detroit does is complying with emissions controls by changing minor things in its engines and actually do some engine research and development. 3.5L 175 hp??? 3.8L 200 hp??? While there's no replacement for displacement, that's just wasted space, compared to Nissan 3.5L putting out between 245 and 287hp. If they invested some money into making their average cars perform better (displacement to hp ratio), Detroit wouldn't have to give their cars away AND lose market share every quarter.


(sorry for the essays, I just enjoy this board's discussions and like writing essays)
You said it perfect. :wink:

The Honda V6 is in a saturn vue but only the redline edition

that's funny, bring back the Fiero...hope you know that was a rebadged Toyota MR2


No it wasn't :roll:

it has different engines, but both generations of them have the same chassis as the mr2. whether it was toyota or GM designed i don't know, but they've all had the same dimensions and looks.

I think what people dont realize is the difference in approaches between european, asian, and american cars. I dont think america has to catch up to a thing. Nor do I think the same about japanese or European cars. I think they all learn lessons from each other. Lets take some things into account here. A lot of american cars use iron blocks , even the 4 cylinder ones. Benefits are this type of block is way cheap to produce, uber strong, and has every strength capability (and more) then an aluminum block. American engines tend to be super durable. Especially the bottom ends. Drawbacks? Its heavy. Ok now the euros and japanese use aluminum. It can be precision machined, its way light, and if built right can handle some pretty hefty stress ratings. Drawback. Its more expensive to produce, requires some hefty CNC machinery etc. So costs are up on aluminum vs Iron. Both have the same output capabilities though. Anyhow the point of this is that America trys to do more with less. Maybe not less displacement. But less overall remachining of factories, less expensive (although not worse) materials etc. The Japanese and Europeans use higher compression (tighter, therefore more critically maintained tolerances) ratios on smaller displacement engines. I dont know if you're really going to see the relevance in my statements but all in all what it comes down to is that the technology going into the lower displacements cars costs more to develope then simply adding displacement (typically). The japanese have been remachined for it for so long though that all they really pay for is the more expensive raw materials themselves. Like im trying to point out. Two different ends to the same means. Remember though that comparing HP to Liter isnt always a relevant case. Two engines of the same specific HP output will offer drastically different performance if one has more torque then the other. A 260 hp V6 with 240ft-lbs will not push an equally weighed car faster then a 260hp V8 with 300+ft-lbs. I really hope you guys get the relevance in this. Ithink most experienced wrenches most certainly will.

A 260 hp V6 with 240ft-lbs will not push an equally weighed car faster then a 260hp V8 with 300+ft-lbs. I really hope you guys get the relevance in this. Ithink most experienced wrenches most certainly will.

Right there, even if the V6 made 300 lb-ft it wont a flat curve and it wont be at low revs.

I think what people dont realize is the difference in approaches between european, asian, and american cars. I dont think america has to catch up to a thing. Nor do I think the same about japanese or European cars. I think they all learn lessons from each other. Lets take some things into account here. A lot of american cars use iron blocks , even the 4 cylinder ones. Benefits are this type of block is way cheap to produce, uber strong, and has every strength capability (and more) then an aluminum block. American engines tend to be super durable. Especially the bottom ends. Drawbacks? Its heavy. Ok now the euros and japanese use aluminum. It can be precision machined, its way light, and if built right can handle some pretty hefty stress ratings. Drawback. Its more expensive to produce, requires some hefty CNC machinery etc. So costs are up on aluminum vs Iron. Both have the same output capabilities though. Anyhow the point of this is that America trys to do more with less. Maybe not less displacement. But less overall remachining of factories, less expensive (although not worse) materials etc. The Japanese and Europeans use higher compression (tighter, therefore more critically maintained tolerances) ratios on smaller displacement engines. I dont know if you're really going to see the relevance in my statements but all in all what it comes down to is that the technology going into the lower displacements cars costs more to develope then simply adding displacement (typically). The japanese have been remachined for it for so long though that all they really pay for is the more expensive raw materials themselves. Like im trying to point out. Two different ends to the same means. Remember though that comparing HP to Liter isnt always a relevant case. Two engines of the same specific HP output will offer drastically different performance if one has more torque then the other. A 260 hp V6 with 240ft-lbs will not push an equally weighed car faster then a 260hp V8 with 300+ft-lbs. I really hope you guys get the relevance in this. Ithink most experienced wrenches most certainly will.


Well said dude, but MANY are to thick-headed to realize this.

Thats why I'm so picky about things. Is instead of people learning for themselves the differences in automotive technology (which really means you need to understand the complete operation of IC engines), automotive manufacturing, and trade tariffs they will never really get down to fully understanding the comparisons between autos and forever will be subject to believing people they feel "do" understand those things. I.E. car mags. Look people when it comes down to all this comparison stuff it realy does come down to you learning as much as possible about automotive technology itself. Once you start understanding all that the lines will be much more clear-cut and you'll be a step closer to being a full blown AUTO enthusiast. Not a brand loyalist. So my best advice. Spend time wrenching, studying, and practicing some sort of automotive theory. When replacing an air filter, dont just do it. Learn why its important and why it works. Same with changing oil, plugs, and pretty much anything. Not trying to get so far off topic but it really is the difference in knowing precisely what you are talking about. :D

I agree with you slowfiveoh.