Am I the only one who hates Italian and French cars?

No,there are some others but most of people who have their heads above them like them......... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
:wink:

No your proberly not the only one who hates them..

I love Italian cars and i DON"T LIKE French cars..

You can Join the Club of people who "HATES"Italians but proberly can give ANY arguments either. :S:S

If you just don't like their way of desining or something it's quite strange you HATE them :S

Anyway i think it's very strange you open a new topic to ask or there more people who don't like them :S

Can't this topic be closed?

:S

Danny.

hmmm... i dont hate any car, but i certanly dont love the French!, stupid renault and peugoet ( who makes those names :? )

hehe.. indeed..

Hating cars goes to far for me.. i thought there were only CAR lovers here.. i don't HATE French cars but i DISSLIKE Renault and for DutchMarshall --> Peugeot! :D

Ciao . Danny!

L :lol: L, im really wondering how they come up with those names :?
renault, what where they thinking then?
and peugeot, strange names, look like pokemon names to me :lol:

that they've com with ferrari i get that, cause Enzo,
and BMW i understad to,
but renault :? and peugeot :?

You would understand if you were familiar with the french language.
Anyway, I dislike both italian and french cars. French are slightly better in terms of reliability and quality.
Although I should admit that both countries have some nice-looking models. Just design-wise.

i dont thi8nk you can put french and italian cars in the same bracket...

italians build cars that are simply cool - french build cars to compete with ford...
(obvioulsy with a few exceptions Venturi and Fiat maybe)

hmmm... i dont hate any car, but i certanly dont love the French!, stupid renault and peugoet ( who makes those names )

No,spyker.... :? :? :?
When Renault and Peugeot had the technology and the car knowledge to enter in the F1 world Spyker didnt know what Car means...

Renault , Peugeot and Citroen are really good companies with really good,reliable and amazing look cars...I dont have anything else to say.Just look who has won the most championships in WRC...or even in F1, French are really impressive..

italians build cars that are simply cool - french build cars to compete with ford...
(obvioulsy with a few exceptions Venturi and Fiat maybe)

W00t?I didnt get you there...really. :?

Citroen is the worst to me. I have to appologise for getting people angry at me. I don't mind Renault though, they make good hatch backs...

i do not like the new renaults like the megane and i do not like a lot of italian cars because they are stragely designed like the Fiat multipla, but if i can pick a worser contry i would have to say Italy. Italian car companies always try out new designs that are not attractive sometimes

You gave an example which is so ...ONE...Only this Multipla is ugly...The other Italians(or most of them)are really beautiful...I think the most beautiful cars all over the world...But indeed Multipla sucks...Even on this 1.6lt engine...The Multipla have 12secs 0-100km/h

:P :P :P :P

You would understand if you were familiar with the french language.
Anyway, I dislike both italian and french cars. French are slightly better in terms of reliability and quality.

Hey Jim.. I can't hear this mannnnnn!

Look to the stats and Read EVERY magazine , Watch EVERY TV programm. Renault is at the moment VERY unreliable.. Alfa is WAy more reliable..
It's so f*cking strange why you guys only look to the name and don't look any further..

We here have a Test in Holland.. mopre than 23.000 People tested cars..
You know what the places were?
1. Subaru
2. Lexus
3. Skoda
4. Toyota
5. Honda
6. BMW
7. Audi
8. Alfa Romeo.

I can hear u say ? Ohh here u see at 8th place ... YEAH AGAIN .. you look at what u see but don't watch ANY further!

CAn u image how Many CAr manufactures are Worser than Alfa?
Shall a tell u a few?
ok

FRENCH ------> RENAULT at place 26
FORD----> place 27 <- German
Volkswagen<---- place 28!!!! <---German
Opel <--------- German
Mitsubishi <---- EVEN JAPANESE!!!!

So i think it's not very good if u say things like that Jim . i KNOW u really wrong!
An Italian Is not more unreliable than a German or a English or a French car :S

And if u gonna start to say : Yeah but the Italian Have ALWAYS Electronical trouble...
I can tell u Renault Has ALOT more!! U know i worked by a Garage.. from Nissan/Renault there came ALOT of people with problems .. ALmost EVERYONE had electronical troubles especially the new cars!

And i can tell u ... Alfa roMEO uses Bosch Electronics and guess what ? Yes that's GERMAN!!!!

So what the f*ck Everyone keep in mind If an Alfa has trouble or is broken they say : Here u see AGAIN a Alfa! , But that's SOOO UNFAIR!. cause they are even or maybe more VOkswagen who broke down.... but oooohh nobody does regonize that...

Pff UNFAIR..

Oh Our Alfa 155 1.8 8v NORD block from 1992... STILL got NO troubles over 215.000KM. on the clock ;)
Hey and Guess what? yes the Original exhaust is even UNDER it!
NEVER electronical trouble's we have the lusso version and yes.. much more luxury than a german or japanse than from 1992.
Electric Mirror's electric heaten mirror.s
Electric window's press one time go whole the way down.
etc..

ALfa is GOOD! .. But cause people are telling things wrong like u did now JIm , who only think ohh Alfa = Italian = unreliable. SO UNTRUE!! people like u give Him a Bad name! What's really NOT right!! and VERY unfiar if u ask me.!!

ALFA ROMEO POWER!!

Ciao , Danny!

hmmm... i dont hate any car, but i certanly dont love the French!, stupid renault and peugoet ( who makes those names )

No,spyker.... :? :? :?
When Renault and Peugeot had the technology and the car knowledge to enter in the F1 world Spyker didnt know what Car means...

Lol no, not spyker this time, its about french and italian and i stick to the point 8)
But anyway, when renault started building F1 cars, Spyker didnt excists, Spyker started in 1997, and renault started F1 in 1977 so in those days ppl couldnt even dream of Spyker, and theres a big chnge Spyker will someday join F1

Im with Alfa now,
Alfa is more reliable then renault,
but renault is more city car, its not for long distance
Alfa is a luxery car, its for bussiness man and stuff, so it has to be more reliable, and its much better on lon distance



But lol, Alfa is below SKODA :P
( i really never thought that could happen :P )


And not all cars are in it, i dont see and ferraris, dodges or lambos
if they were in it probably the top 20 will be owned by the sportscars :D

hehe yeah dutchmarshall. :D

But i guess u know Skoda is bought by some really asshole factory ?? :P :D:DAnd is in a DAmned group now.

greetz Danny

Ok...
Alfa, could you translate the last line of your signature?

When Renault and Peugeot had the technology and the car knowledge to enter in the F1 world Spyker didnt know what Car means...

Spyker excists ever since 1889! With other words: Spyker excists longer dan Renault!

But anyway, when renault started building F1 cars, Spyker didnt excists, Spyker started in 1997, and renault started F1 in 1977 so in those days ppl couldnt even dream of Spyker, and theres a big chnge Spyker will someday join F1

Wrong info, Dutch. Spyker has been around since 1889, wich is longer than Renault! And you have miss-typed your last sentence :? ! Do you really think Spyker is one day trying to join F1!?! Get real man, that will never happen.

[quote=Dutchmarshall]
Renault , Peugeot and Citroen are really good companies with really good,reliable and amazing look cars...I dont have anything else to say.Just look who has won the most championships in WRC...or even in F1, French are really impressive..


you can say that about any major car company but the french definetly arent leaders in reliability. And if you ask your average joe on the street he aint going to say that french make particularly good looking cars.
Also the french dont hold any records of winning in F1 - theyve never won an F1 championship.
AND altough citreon has been successful in WRC, that really doesnt have anything to do with the cars you buy!
All in all i dont hate french cars ( i own one!) but they arent anything amazing, and they definetly arent in general better than italians...

dude, why do you guys always have to playa hate. what is wrong with the names of the french cars. they name them how the want to name them, ace. if you don;t like it why don't you rename them to be like...the freedom cars instead of the french cars. for some reason that sounds very familliar. don't be hatin' the french.

I'm french and I'd like to say something...

First : it's not possible to compare french cars to american cars. It's not the same way of thinking in France as in America and not the same way of life too ! In France, fuel is very expansive, and the government creates every day new taxes ! That's why you won't see a French Automaker design a V12 6L engine ! I know that it's a pity (some french cars-constructors are really able to do this, but they know it won't work...).

Second : even if they don't sell "dream-cars" such as Ferrari or Porsche, just have a look to the WRC, the F1, and Rally-Raid Championship (Dakar...) ! Renault, Peugeot, Citroën (those names are as stupid to you as Chrysler or General Motor are to me....) are not often the worse...

Third : even if you don't like French cars, you have to realize that the brands you dislike are often sources of inspiration for all of the others ! The Citroën DS for example : it had 20 years of advance on the others !

And I'd like to give my opinion : saying "I don't like this-country cars" is the most stupid thing i've read today ! There are everywhere good things and bad things !
Sure that a Citroën Saxo is not the best car of the Universe, but I don't think that a Saturn SC1 or a Toyota Duet are a lot more enthusiastic !


(sorry if my english is not perfect, I try to improve it...)

I'll have to agree with our new friend here. :D
(don't worry your english is good)

me too.. you always have your opinion so i still don't like french cars...
But what he said is right...

ALthough almost everymanufacturer have , models that are very advanced compared to others..

Example.. Alfa's design ;)

hehe..

Greetz : danny!

HE IS WAAAAAAAAAY RIGHT!!!!
You cant say that French cars arent good.Even on reliability..
French cars are so damn good..Even Saxo that our new friend said or even Clio are good...A friend of mine have the old Clio and he never had any problems with the engine or electronic probs.And as I said look at those f****ing championships...Japan couldnt reach French technology and car knowledge...Even Subaru which a very good company and produce very good cars cant reach the Peugoet and Citroen in the WRC...Did you see what happened today on Catalunya rally???Where the f**k are the Japanese???Or Germans or even my LOVES Italians?????
Nowhere...Do you wanna see the results of todays rally??

1.Citroen
2.Ford
3.Peugeot
4.Citroen
5.Ford
6.Peugeot
7.Citroen
8.Peugeot...

8 cars there...The 6 are French...WTF r u talking about...Look previous years on F1 when Renault was the KING...Anyway..That's I wanted to say about this French conversation.

hehe..
Scumi i worked by an Renault garage/dealer.. as an Helping mechanic.. not full cause i'm still studying you see..

So but there it really RAINED complaines about NEW renaults. cause they have alot of Electrical problems... but especcialy with their NEW cars.

I must say i prefer Peugeot indeed WAY above Renault.. and i don't know or Peugeot have troubles either , but Renault really have's

And my friend did drive an old Renault Clio 1.8 16v.. indeed an 18 year old guy.. but that's me to.. in a Alfa.. my ALfa is still 100% good.

His car is already in the Junkyard ;)
He blew up his engine when he only put the throttly position to full he was just by 4.000RPM..
So.... i don't know.. but i don't believe anymore in the reliabilty of Renault..
Your right i don't know how it is at the Peugeot's ;)

But Renault is Bad at the moment! ;)

Ciao , Danny!

When Renault and Peugeot had the technology and the car knowledge to enter in the F1 world Spyker didnt know what Car means...

Spyker excists ever since 1889! With other words: Spyker excists longer dan Renault!

But anyway, when renault started building F1 cars, Spyker didnt excists, Spyker started in 1997, and renault started F1 in 1977 so in those days ppl couldnt even dream of Spyker, and theres a big chnge Spyker will someday join F1

Wrong info, Dutch. Spyker has been around since 1889, wich is longer than Renault! And you have miss-typed your last sentence :? ! Do you really think Spyker is one day trying to join F1!?! Get real man, that will never happen.

erh hem.... Spyker didn't exist for a long period of time. They went bankrupt a LONG time ago, only to come back in 1997...

I'm french and I'd like to say something...

First : it's not possible to compare french cars to american cars. It's not the same way of thinking in France as in America and not the same way of life too ! In France, fuel is very expansive, and the government creates every day new taxes ! That's why you won't see a French Automaker design a V12 6L engine ! I know that it's a pity (some french cars-constructors are really able to do this, but they know it won't work...).

Second : even if they don't sell "dream-cars" such as Ferrari or Porsche, just have a look to the WRC, the F1, and Rally-Raid Championship (Dakar...) ! Renault, Peugeot, Citroën (those names are as stupid to you as Chrysler or General Motor are to me....) are not often the worse...

Third : even if you don't like French cars, you have to realize that the brands you dislike are often sources of inspiration for all of the others ! The Citroën DS for example : it had 20 years of advance on the others !

And I'd like to give my opinion : saying "I don't like this-country cars" is the most stupid thing i've read today ! There are everywhere good things and bad things !
Sure that a Citroën Saxo is not the best car of the Universe, but I don't think that a Saturn SC1 or a Toyota Duet are a lot more enthusiastic !


(sorry if my english is not perfect, I try to improve it...)

I don't like Saturns at all, and I'm not much a fan of a lot of Toyotas. I never said they were better. Ugh... Saturn and Geo... GMs worst divisions!

aren't there alot of really cool Rallycars from France?

aren't there alot of really cool Rallycars from France?

Citroen is the only major one...

Plus Peugeot, Renault...

erh hem.... Spyker didn't exist for a long period of time. They went bankrupt a LONG time ago, only to come back in 1997...

Yes, that is true, but they were one of the first to produce cars ( and broke/created many records, they were also the first with 4WD and the first with a inline-V6 engine.... ). So i think they know what cars were better than Renault did back then....

I think it's really cool that everyone's making really good cars now. Even the French! Nah, sorry, there's alot of ignorant bias against other countries. I should know, I'm from the U.S.! :lol:

Plus Peugeot, Renault...

Renault is minor. Didn't think of Peugeot...

Minor?? Don't you watch F1? Don't you know of Renaults great racing history?

Renault was kicking some Ferrari and Mercedes arses back at 1995-96-97... :D

Just have a look at the A6 category....

1. 3 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 3h55'09"400 97.3 km/h 1 1
2. 18 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Xsa A8 3h55'22"400 + 00'13"00 2 2
3. 4 MARTIN-PARK Ford Focus A8 3h55'23"000 + 00'13"60 3 3
4. 5 DUVAL-PREVOT Ford Focus A8 3h56'04"800 + 00'55"40 4 4
5. 7 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 3h56'20"200 + 01'10"80 5 5
6. 1 GRONHOLM-RAUTIA Peugeot 206 A8 3h56'38"500 + 01'29"10 6 6
7. 19 SAINZ-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 3h56'52"400 + 01'43"00 7 7
8. 8 MAKINEN-LINDSTR Subaru Impr A8 3h57'04"500 + 01'55"10 8 8
9. 17 McRAE-RINGER Citroen Xsa A8 3h58'24"600 + 03'15"20 9 9
10. 20 BUGALSKI-CHIARO Citroen Xsa A8 4h00'23"000 + 05'13"60 10 10
11. 21 ROBERT-BEDON Peugeot 206 A8 4h00'37"500 + 05'28"10 11 11
12. 15 GARDEMEISTER-LU Skoda Fabia A8 4h01'07"600 + 05'58"20 12 12
13. 22 KRESTA-TOMANEK Peugeot 206 A8 4h01'18"900 + 06'09"50 13 13
14. 6 HIRVONEN-LEHTIN Ford Focus A8 4h04'15"300 + 09'05"90 14 14
15.102 PONS-JULIA Mitsubishi N4 4h13'51"000 + 18'41"60 1 1
16.101 JEAN JOSEPH-BOY Renault Cli A6 4h14'38"600 + 19'29"20 15 1
17. 61 TIRABASSI-RENUC Renault Cli A6 4h16'33"700 + 21'24"30 16 2
18.103 SORDO-CASTILLO Mitsubishi N4 4h18'02"300 + 22'52"90 2 2
19. 74 MEEKE-PATTERSON Opel Corsa A6 4h18'06"200 + 22'56"80 17 3
20.104 MEMBRADO-VILAMA Renault Cli A6 4h18'19"400 + 23'10"00 18 4
21. 69 CANELLAS-AMIGO Suzuki Igni A6 4h18'41"800 + 23'32"40 19 5
22. 52 CARLSSON-ANDERS Suzuki Igni A6 4h20'40"200 + 25'30"80 20 6
23. 33 GINGLEY-KENNEDY Ford Focus A8 4h21'28"400 + 26'19"00 21 15
24. 71 AAVA-SIKK Suzuki Igni A6 4h23'06"100 + 27'56"70 22 7
25. 64 TEURONEN-KAAPRO Suzuki Igni A6 4h23'14"200 + 28'04"80 23 8
26.105 FONT-MUNOZ Mitsubishi A8 4h24'54"500 + 29'45"10 24 16
27. 65 FEGHALI-MATAR Ford Puma A6 4h27'21"300 + 32'11"90 25 9
28.107 FRANCO-AZEVEDO Mitsubishi N4 4h27'47"200 + 32'37"80 3 3
29. 63 CECCATO-DOTTA Fiat Punto A6 4h30'58"700 + 35'49"30 26 10
30.111 JOGE-JOHANSSON Peugeot 206 A6 4h34'05"200 + 38'55"80 27 11
31. 73 DONCHEV-MANOLOV Peugeot 206 A6 4h39'33"300 + 44'23"90 28 12
32. 76 CECCHETTINI-MUZ Fiat Punto A6 4h41'35"600 + 46'26"20 29 13
33. 70 WILKS-PUGH Ford Puma A6 4h52'35"400 + 57'26"00 30 14

Hey where are my Punto's??
Do anyone know about the championship in A6 Category(S1600)??
I cant find the results or the point table anywhere... :?

Minor?? Don't you watch F1? Don't you know of Renaults great racing history?

I was referring to Rally not other racing...

Just have a look at the A6 category....

1. 3 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 3h55'09"400 97.3 km/h 1 1
2. 18 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Xsa A8 3h55'22"400 + 00'13"00 2 2
3. 4 MARTIN-PARK Ford Focus A8 3h55'23"000 + 00'13"60 3 3
4. 5 DUVAL-PREVOT Ford Focus A8 3h56'04"800 + 00'55"40 4 4
5. 7 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 3h56'20"200 + 01'10"80 5 5
6. 1 GRONHOLM-RAUTIA Peugeot 206 A8 3h56'38"500 + 01'29"10 6 6
7. 19 SAINZ-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 3h56'52"400 + 01'43"00 7 7
8. 8 MAKINEN-LINDSTR Subaru Impr A8 3h57'04"500 + 01'55"10 8 8
9. 17 McRAE-RINGER Citroen Xsa A8 3h58'24"600 + 03'15"20 9 9
10. 20 BUGALSKI-CHIARO Citroen Xsa A8 4h00'23"000 + 05'13"60 10 10
11. 21 ROBERT-BEDON Peugeot 206 A8 4h00'37"500 + 05'28"10 11 11
12. 15 GARDEMEISTER-LU Skoda Fabia A8 4h01'07"600 + 05'58"20 12 12
13. 22 KRESTA-TOMANEK Peugeot 206 A8 4h01'18"900 + 06'09"50 13 13
14. 6 HIRVONEN-LEHTIN Ford Focus A8 4h04'15"300 + 09'05"90 14 14
15.102 PONS-JULIA Mitsubishi N4 4h13'51"000 + 18'41"60 1 1
16.101 JEAN JOSEPH-BOY Renault Cli A6 4h14'38"600 + 19'29"20 15 1
17. 61 TIRABASSI-RENUC Renault Cli A6 4h16'33"700 + 21'24"30 16 2
18.103 SORDO-CASTILLO Mitsubishi N4 4h18'02"300 + 22'52"90 2 2
19. 74 MEEKE-PATTERSON Opel Corsa A6 4h18'06"200 + 22'56"80 17 3
20.104 MEMBRADO-VILAMA Renault Cli A6 4h18'19"400 + 23'10"00 18 4
21. 69 CANELLAS-AMIGO Suzuki Igni A6 4h18'41"800 + 23'32"40 19 5
22. 52 CARLSSON-ANDERS Suzuki Igni A6 4h20'40"200 + 25'30"80 20 6
23. 33 GINGLEY-KENNEDY Ford Focus A8 4h21'28"400 + 26'19"00 21 15
24. 71 AAVA-SIKK Suzuki Igni A6 4h23'06"100 + 27'56"70 22 7
25. 64 TEURONEN-KAAPRO Suzuki Igni A6 4h23'14"200 + 28'04"80 23 8
26.105 FONT-MUNOZ Mitsubishi A8 4h24'54"500 + 29'45"10 24 16
27. 65 FEGHALI-MATAR Ford Puma A6 4h27'21"300 + 32'11"90 25 9
28.107 FRANCO-AZEVEDO Mitsubishi N4 4h27'47"200 + 32'37"80 3 3
29. 63 CECCATO-DOTTA Fiat Punto A6 4h30'58"700 + 35'49"30 26 10
30.111 JOGE-JOHANSSON Peugeot 206 A6 4h34'05"200 + 38'55"80 27 11
31. 73 DONCHEV-MANOLOV Peugeot 206 A6 4h39'33"300 + 44'23"90 28 12
32. 76 CECCHETTINI-MUZ Fiat Punto A6 4h41'35"600 + 46'26"20 29 13
33. 70 WILKS-PUGH Ford Puma A6 4h52'35"400 + 57'26"00 30 14


Renault isn't a huge competitor... yeah I like watching rally sometimes and I've never seen Renault in the Top 10. And I never knew that Fiat made a rally car lol...

Renault's and FIAT's history in reallies are bigger than Mercedes or Porsche's or other big companies.
Anyone remember the Renault Alpine??
Noone and I mean noone could win this car...It was really great car.

Renault's and FIAT's history in reallies are bigger than Mercedes or Porsche's or other big companies.
Anyone remember the Renault Alpine??
Noone and I mean noone could win this car...It was really great car.

I've never found a picture of a Porsche or Mercedes rally car... could you find me a pic of one?

Of course Porsche and Mercedes rallied around '60-'70...
Here is the old SL rallying but I dont know in which Rally...Maybe Kenya. :?
http://zhome.com/History/Eriksson/ErikssonMB450SLCs.jpg
Here is another Mercedes from the old London Istanbul race...
http://www.team-busch.com/rally/Photos/cars/istanbul/car82.jpg

As for Porsche you know...The 911 RS was rallying on '70ies...
Here is the only pictures I found in Catalunya Rally..
http://www.rallygallery.com/groupb/catalunya01_porsche.jpg
If you run in an old wrc site you can find the results of the races... :wink:

Of course Porsche and Mercedes rallied around '60-'70...
Here is the old SL rallying but I dont know in which Rally...Maybe Kenya. :?
http://zhome.com/History/Eriksson/ErikssonMB450SLCs.jpg
Here is another Mercedes from the old London Istanbul race...
http://www.team-busch.com/rally/Photos/cars/istanbul/car82.jpg

As for Porsche you know...The 911 RS was rallying on '70ies...
Here is the only pictures I found in Catalunya Rally..
http://www.rallygallery.com/groupb/catalunya01_porsche.jpg
If you run in an old wrc site you can find the results of the races... :wink:\

thanks!

My pleasure.. :wink: :roll:

L :lol: L, im really wondering how they come up with those names :?
renault, what where they thinking then?
and peugeot, strange names, look like pokemon names to me :lol:



Renault from Louis Renault
Citröen from André Citröen
Peugeot from Armand Peugeot

As you can see, the names of the three most important French companies aren't, by no means, invented. They take the surname of their founders, who are as important as Ferdinand Porsche or Ettore Bugatti for the automobile history.
For example, who promoted the Frontal Traction? André Citröen.

French constructors deserve respect for what they have done. Renault has never won an F1 title as an integral team but their engines sure did it when Williams decided to use them.
Peugeot and Citröen have proven that they are strong WRC competitors. They have even beaten our beloved Impreza.
The French engineers are more concentrated on making cars for the family but not for this they are bad as car makers. The only French constructor that can be claimed as a real sportcar manufacturer is Venturi.
That's all for France.

Italian cars are equally good. Alfas from 155 to 166 are beautiful design and engineering pieces. And don't forget that Italians make (and have made) some of the best supercars of the world.

VIPERLOVER :
Italian cars are equally good. Alfas from 155 to 166 are beautiful design and engineering pieces. And don't forget that Italians make (and have made) some of the best supercars of the world.


INDEED MY FRIEND!! :D:D

Italians are so damn beautifull!. for my : FOR ALWAYS THE BEST!

Alfa 155 2.0TS 16v <-- my up coming car :D a Italian 150 cavalli :|

Ciao , Danny!

I want Alfa Romeo 147 GTA for my upcoming car...Am I asking much??? :lol: :wink:

Answer: YES!! :twisted:

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
I know.

Whoa! GTA version? That's a hell of a performer. But the max Alfa performer is definitely the 155 Touring Car with that almighty V6. It has won hundreds of events around Europe.

http://www.carsfromitaly.com/alfaromeo/155dtm_dtm_4x.jpg

Yeah, but that car is for racing, it's not street legal! :?

Man,you impressed me.You know this car over there in Columbia?
So nice to hear it. :wink:
Well if you like this car above,see this one..:
http://www.jm-fotoservice.de/DTM2001/alfa.jpg
http://www.i-love-alfaromeo.com/about/macchina/155/155_130.jpg
Those two cars...Yours and this won plenty championships inside Germany in a German championship...DTM..Well thats very hard to do.Italian cars with those great 155's won championships in German tracks in a German championship...That's very tough..
Man,I love Alfa's.. :lol: 8)

L :lol: L, im really wondering how they come up with those names :?

renault, what where they thinking then?

and peugeot, strange names, look like pokemon names to me :lol:







Renault from Louis Renault

Citröen from André Citröen

Peugeot from Armand Peugeot



As you can see, the names of the three most important French companies aren't, by no means, invented. They take the surname of their founders, who are as important as Ferdinand Porsche or Ettore Bugatti for the automobile history.

For example, who promoted the Frontal Traction? André Citröen.



French constructors deserve respect for what they have done. Renault has never won an F1 title as an integral team but their engines sure did it when Williams decided to use them.

Peugeot and Citröen have proven that they are strong WRC competitors. They have even beaten our beloved Impreza.

The French engineers are more concentrated on making cars for the family but not for this they are bad as car makers. The only French constructor that can be claimed as a real sportcar manufacturer is Venturi.

That's all for France.



Italian cars are equally good. Alfas from 155 to 166 are beautiful design and engineering pieces. And don't forget that Italians make (and have made) some of the best supercars of the world.

that a great pint, french cars are good, the nwe models are cool, i like peugeot 307 and renault megane,
ther get history someting very important for me..

Man,you impressed me.You know this car over there in Columbia?
So nice to hear it. :wink:
Those two cars...Yours and this won plenty championships inside Germany in a German championship...DTM..Well thats very hard to do.Italian cars with those great 155's won championships in German tracks in a German championship...That's very tough..
Man,I love Alfa's.. :lol: 8)

Well, cars are my passion. It would be terrible if I didn't know Alfa's most succesful Touring Car. I just want to say that is Colombia not Columbia. Some members might confuse these two names. I'm from Colombia, South America not from the US where there are many places called Columbia. :)
Oh, and if you don't happen to know... DTM is Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft :)

Oh, and if you don't happen to know... DTM is Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft :)
Nice piece of info! Thanks!! :D

what the! some of you guys never heard of the DTM league? man....

W00t???I though that DTM means Deutche Tourenwagen Masters.Anyway I know this league and another clue for this league is that when Jean Alesi retired from F1 went to DTM and now drives a Mercedes Benz I think.

W00t???I though that DTM means Deutche Tourenwagen Masters.Anyway I know this league and another clue for this league is that when Jean Alesi retired from F1 went to DTM and now drives a Mercedes Benz I think.

yeah hes in their CLK and not doing overly well...
the thing i dont like about dtm is how few teams there are - in one sense its good because there'll be more competition, but at the same time i just like more variety.

what the! some of you guys never heard of the DTM league? man....


Of course,
its a great championish, but is German, well, some french and italien people run there, but there is only german cars.
Great cars anyway

Great years when Italians used to won on DTM... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

W00t???I though that DTM means Deutche Tourenwagen Masters.

Well, Meisterschaft=Masters. It's just matter of the language you use.
DTM is a great racing league but as Capitan Lento said only german cars are allowed now. It should be nice that they permitted again other countries' makes.
In my humble opinion, I prefer the All-Japan GT Championship where any manufacturer is allowed. Besides, it's probably the most exciting league of the world.

Well the name says it. Deutsche Tourenwagen = German Touring Cars.

I remeber there was a Skyline R34 in the DTM, but yes the JGTC is awsome. When vipers 911 turbos, NSXs, skylines and more cars compeate on a track to win is just amazing.

Skyline R34 on DTM??? When was that???
:shock:

it was before DTM went all german, its hard getting info on the car

I cant find any info of that.In contrary I searched and I found that never Nissan raced on a DTM league before.

Well, DTM history is quite complicated. In 1996 it became the ITC (International Touring Championship) Many companies participated in this category while it existed, even Nissan. But the Germans felt like they were losing autonomy and they reorganised DTM for 2001. ITC was later renamed ETCC (European Car Touring Championship) and its first season staerd in 2001 too. However, the original ETCC dates back from 1965 and it kept like that until 1988. Abarth and Alfa Romeo won several times the manufacturers title during these years.

Hey, thlam, don't forget that there is also a McLaren F1 on the JGTC. :)

Hey, thlam, don't forget that there is also a McLaren F1 on the JGTC.

And a Diablo and a Mosler :wink: .

yeah there are a lot of cars but i can't name them all :lol:

I really doubt about Nissan's participation on DTM or even in that ITC... :?
I know about Ford's, Volvo's and some more but I have never heared or see a Nissan on DTM and I am a quite big DTM fan. :? :?

I really don't like french cars but I really love Italian cars !!!!!!!

The most french cars are really ugly. For example Renault megane, vel satis or Citroen pluriel. But the Peugeot 406 Coupe or 307 CC are not bad.

Italian cars? Yes i like Alfa Romeo and Maserati, but i dislike Fiat and Lancia.

http://www.hoot-uk.com/content/launch_pad/archive/renault/2002megane/renault_17102002_7.jpg
Renault Megane

Peugeot 406
http://irishcar.com/ICOimages/peugeot406coupedsl.jpg

Peugeot 307 CC
http://www.omniauto.it/home/307cc4.jpg

I like the 406 coupe too. Very very nice car.

i don't like the coupe it looks too simple and conservative thre are no daring styling cues other then the smaller headlights, i prefer the sedan to the coupe

I think Italian cars are almost all beautifull. Espacially Alfa.

But i only like one french car, peugeot. They are really great.
The new 407 is a very good looking car
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i don't like the new 407 its funny looking in front

i don't like the new 407 its funny looking in front

i agree. The air duct in the front of the car is too big. It looks like a laughing face. :D

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,289976,00.jpg

French cars are junk, but the best cars in the world come from Italy!!!!
Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborgini, Alfa Romeo etc....

You forgot FIAT,Alfa and Lancia there pal!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

You forgot FIAT,Alfa and Lancia there pal!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

Hey I said Alfa Romeo, and yes I will add Lancia. But Fiat is just ok....but they partily own lots of nice ones lol.

Everybody saying that the new Punto is kind similiar to old Polo from the front.OK,it looks like Polo but it's better than the Polo.. :wink:

ANd the back side looks better than the Polo! ;)

sorry but in my opinion fiat builds only scrap. Punto, Stilo, panda, Seicento , Doblo ,Multipla are all ugly.

The old Fiat Coupe was cool. And the barchetta is ok.


Multipla
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/frank/multipla.jpg

Panda
http://www.autointell.de/News-deutsch-2003/August-2003/August-2003-1/Fiat-Panda-front-115.jpg

Seicento
http://www.carsfromitaly.com/fiat/seicento_x5x.jpg

Stilo tuned :D
http://www.alfaparts-tuning.com/images/stilo02.jpg

Look, about Multipla, yeah its ugly.The Seicento is sweet but not ugly.
The Punto and the Stilo are just perfection in style IMO.
Look the back of the new one:
http://www.fiat.gr/showroom/Modelli/Punto_3_porte_new/itimglf_3.jpg

Oh, BTW the new Panda is car of year 2004(only in its category I think). :wink:

I have yet to see a Fiat that is nice, most are ugly

The old maybe(I am saying no but...).The new FIAT's have quality, they are beautiful and they can stand in many companies in comparisons.
Anyway, FIAT are good to me because I searched for them and I saw what they've done.Not many companies can do those things that FIAT did.

I have to agree Fiats are not beautiful, but they are not meant to be.
They are just mainsteam cars. Fiat is a great company though.
They seem to be doing better now.

wow what you say seems more true for a company like Saturn, but its FIat they have a pristegious history some of their models just ruin that like the multipla

wow what you say seems more true for a company like Saturn, but its FIat they have a pristegious history some of their models just ruin that like the multipla


No, no Fiat is a great company, they have made great cars, still do.
Its just that overall their cars are not "special" cars anymore. But they don't have to be.
I mean they are part owners of some of the greatest car companies in
the world!!!!

I think Fiat's are NORMALL cars which have to be SALED ALOT!!!

It's not a SUPER designed ... Sporting car like a Alfa or something is..
It's a car like a VW POlo well i don't think you can say that car is so beautifull?

And i think Fiat just have to sell car , happy looking cars for girl how get to the store's
Polo , Seicento etc..
But if we gonna compare i think Fiat make BETTER and more beautifull cars than Volkswagen..

But anyway like i said alot before... Schumi is REALLY right here guys! Why oh why don't u believe it? :(

The older Fiat's were indeed Bad quality cars and were quite unreliable , well that's totally over!
The Fiat's From 1995 and younger are GOOD! my mom drove a Fiat Chinquecento from 1994 i thought and she NEVER had problems with the car! NEVER! she drive's EVERY day 80kms to her work ;)

But Fiat have to problem the can't lose their name :?
I think that's really dissapointed for a company that have quite big financial troubles !

And i can tell you,,..... You don't wanna know how FAST a Fiat Coupe 2.0 20v Turbo Plus is? :) a VERY nice and GOOD car to me! looking good to!

Ciao

danny!

Dont even take the fastest FIAT for these years.Take a smaller one.You have to look the comparison between Toyota Celica 1.8 VVT-i(not the T-Sport) and the Punto HGT and see who will win.Not only in 0-100 or top speed but in better handling, steering.I am not talking about the quality because I dont about the quality of this Celica.As about FIAT's.When my mom bought that Punto in 2000 I thought that this will be a crap.But its not.We have it for 3-4 years now and 70000km in it.And NO and I mean NO problems.Technical, Electronical, Mechanical. Absolutely NO problems.
Except one.I hit the door once with my hand and the window inside broke.Actually not the window,the mechanism in it. :P

70000KM is not much for a car you may start having problems once u reach 150,000Km or even 100,000 but only time will tell

Oh OK.Then I'll go out tonight.I will go to Russia and come back to see of there will be any problems. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

LOL do that or drive aorund your neighbourhood 50 000 times

Fiats still look like s***! I don't care about the performance, they look soooo bad I wouldn't want to be seen in one lol... I mean I DO care about the performance, but the car actually has to look HALF-DECENT! Not too mention a stock Fiat doesn't perform to great, but then again neither do Hyundais or even Toyotas or Hondas (except for the NSX, the Supra is way overrated as well...)

Fiats still look like s***! I don't care about the performance, they look soooo bad I wouldn't want to be seen in one lol... I mean I DO care about the performance, but the car actually has to look HALF-DECENT! Not too mention a stock Fiat doesn't perform to great, but then again neither do Hyundais or even Toyotas or Hondas (except for the NSX, the Supra is way overrated as well...)


You don't buy a Fiat if you want all out performance. They aren't performance cars.
You step up to Fiat owned Alfa Romeo or somthing in that price range.

My opinion and others opinion is FIAT bought Alfa's for their quick class of Group FIAT,the Lancia for the luxury and the others dunno the reasons. :lol:
But this opinion said by numerous people.

My opinion and others opinion is FIAT bought Alfa's for their quick class of Group FIAT,the Lancia for the luxury and the others dunno the reasons. :lol:
But this opinion said by numerous people.

Yeah I can see that.

And even though Fiat owns part of Ferrari and Maserati they function on there own.
Fiat doesn't "control" them.

FIAT dont own a part of Maserati and Ferrari.FIAT owns all the packet of share of both Ferrari and Maserati.Not a part.

FIAT dont own a part of Maserati and Ferrari.FIAT owns all the packet of share of both Ferrari and Maserati.Not a part.

Not true, Fiat owns alot, but a bank called Mediabanco or something owns a portion now.
Plus the Ferrari family still owns like 10%. And as I said Ferrari and Maserati are not controlled by Fiat at all, Fiat lets them take care care of themselves. Which is good.