yep just like the thread says the SRT-4 will own just about every 4 banger thats stock even a turbo boxer engine wrx which is more expensive.
its pushes about 215hp 2.4L, 4 banger, 29mpg city & 36mpg on highway
those are some nice stats!

yeah, but who wants to be driving a neon? they have such a bad image and this car is not really a neon, iut's like almost totally new everything, mostly stolen from Mitsubishi. I'd not like one ever.

just wanted to add on that I thought Doge should ahve been more original and innovative, thats all

hmm... never heard of SRT-4, but searched a picture
http://www.autonetwork.com/firstlook/textreviews/02srt4f.jpg

but it looks pretty cool to me 8)

Yeah, the three problems that it will have against the WRX and EVO, are 1)Torque steer, it's a FWD car, which is unthinkable in this comparison...2)It has a Mitsubishi turbo, the same exact one in the EVO 8, and 3)It's a goddamn neon, CHANGE ITS NAME!!! Like, "That Which Eats Imports for Breakfast", or, "Feed ME BLOOD!!!"...
Somethin' more sinister...
Of course I'd like to own one, hell I wouldn't complain that I saved $10,000 when I got that instead of an EVO or STi...$10,000 can mod FWD into RWD...hehehehehe... 8)

It's good enough for the money it demands. :wink:

1mic, you are correct that srt-4 will own many cars but not the bower wearing wrx. i doubt that the srt-4 can run with this big dog :D . if it can, the question is for how long. dude, it's a dodge. ghalos, the wrx and evo are not rwd cars :roll: , awd would be more appropriate

Yeah, the three problems that it will have against the WRX and EVO, are 1)Torque steer, it's a FWD car, which is unthinkable in this comparison...2)It has a Mitsubishi turbo, the same exact one in the EVO 8, and 3)It's a goddamn neon, CHANGE ITS NAME!!! Like, "That Which Eats Imports for Breakfast", or, "Feed ME BLOOD!!!"...
Somethin' more sinister...
Of course I'd like to own one, hell I wouldn't complain that I saved $10,000 when I got that instead of an EVO or STi...$10,000 can mod FWD into RWD...hehehehehe... 8)
I don't think $10,000 can do that, but maybe. You'd still need like $20,000 dollars to make the SRT-4 as good as the WRX STi or Lancer Evolution.

Yeah, the three problems that it will have against the WRX and EVO, are 1)Torque steer, it's a FWD car, which is unthinkable in this comparison...2)It has a Mitsubishi turbo, the same exact one in the EVO 8, and 3)It's a goddamn neon, CHANGE ITS NAME!!! Like, "That Which Eats Imports for Breakfast", or, "Feed ME BLOOD!!!"...
Somethin' more sinister...
Of course I'd like to own one, hell I wouldn't complain that I saved $10,000 when I got that instead of an EVO or STi...$10,000 can mod FWD into RWD...hehehehehe... 8)
I don't think $10,000 can dothat, but maybe. You'd still need like $20,000 dollars to make the SRT-4 as good as the WRX STi or Lancer Evolution.

As far as I know, the SRT-4 is lighter. It also can break 14 in the quarter mile. And in Canada, it's about 230 hp!

Cars like the SRT-4 remind me of little kids that think they can drive as well as Schumacher. :D
(Schumacher is the WRX/EVO, in this example)

Step aside for the leaders, please...

i agree with one mic. The SRT-4 hauls. It has more horsepower then dodge says it does. It has been dyno tested at a good 240+hp. Thats really, really good for a car that size. But of course, it's pretty hard to get traction because it's routed through only the front axle.

actually going to the www.Dodge.com site
they call this car an SRT-4, not a neon only the base model is a neon so this car has its own name....
Chrysler said it would go back to making cars with numbers like back in the old days.
maybe its was Mercedes' idea, AND REMEMBER BENZ OWNS CHRYSLER
Daimler-Chrysler.

This car looks nicer than a new civic si, celica, sentra
its also faster.
and yes it is faster than a wrx in 1/4 mile and 0-60mph (& for some people thats all that matters)
this is the best bang for buck compact sedan
best bang for buck coupe: corvette z06

I think that the Mitsubishi Lancer Evoution and the Subaru WRX STi have better bang for buck than the SRT-4. The difference in price between a STR-4 and WRX/Evo is 10k. That's the same as between WRX/Evo and the Corvette. The Japanese cars are faster than the Corvette. The SRT-4 is not faster than the WRX/Evo.

Yeah I'll have to agree with that... :roll:

I think that the Mitsubishi Lancer Evoution and the Subaru WRX STi have better bang for buck than the SRT-4. The difference in price between a STR-4 and WRX/Evo is 10k. That's the same as between WRX/Evo and the Corvette. The Japanese cars are faster than the Corvette. The SRT-4 is not faster than the WRX/Evo.

Maybe the WRX is better for bang for buck but not the Evo. If you look at stats, Mitsubishi is the only Japanese company below the 50% margin of the world for reliability. Also, as far as I know, Mitsubishi is owned by Sony. Sony doesn't make to great of products (other than Playstation).

And btw, 1mic, Chevrolet was actually the first ever to use their model number as a name (Z28)...

Mitsubishi is owned by Sony. Sony doesn't make to great of products (other than Playstation).
Huh??????

1. Sony owns perhaps part of Mitsubishi electronics, not Mitsubishi motor company!! :lol: :lol:
1. Sony electronics are the best in the whole world!!!

I think that the Mitsubishi Lancer Evoution and the Subaru WRX STi have better bang for buck than the SRT-4. The difference in price between a STR-4 and WRX/Evo is 10k. That's the same as between WRX/Evo and the Corvette. The Japanese cars are faster than the Corvette. The SRT-4 is not faster than the WRX/Evo.
there are no STOCK japanese cars faster then a corvette.
even in track the corvette z06 can run with a porsche GT2
and yes an SRT-4 is faster then the WRX
read it to yoruself, then you will find out why the SRT-4 is faster....

And btw, 1mic, Chevrolet was actually the first ever to use their model number as a name (Z28)...
u sure about that? chysler had cars in the 50's with #'s
& the camaro came out in '65?
and i never said it was chysler that used #'s in there car names first...

The Subaru WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution are faster than the regular Corvette and the Corvette convertible. I'm not stupid enough to think that they are faster than the Z06, because they obviously aren't. And the last time I checked, the GT2 was a lot faster than a Z06. Almost a second faster 0-60, and better handling. Of course it costs 3 times as much.

A question: what are the differences between a regular Corvette and a Z06? :?:

The Subaru WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution are faster than the regular Corvette and the Corvette convertible. I'm not stupid enough to think that they are faster than the Z06, because they obviously aren't. And the last time I checked, the GT2 was a lot faster than a Z06. Almost a second faster 0-60, and better handling. Of course it costs 3 times as much.
i never said the z06 can beat the gt2, i just said it can run with the gt2.

Whatever. And the difference between the Corvette and Corvette Z06 is that the Z06 has more horserpower, and has better brakes and a retuned suspension. It's also lighter, i think. I don't really know, because i don't like Corvettes that much.

And btw, 1mic, Chevrolet was actually the first ever to use their model number as a name (Z28)...
u sure about that? chysler had cars in the 50's with #'s
& the camaro came out in '65?
and i never said it was chysler that used #'s in there car names first...

Other cars did previously use numbers, but none were actually the original model numbers from the factory.

Mitsubishi is owned by Sony. Sony doesn't make to great of products (other than Playstation).
Huh??????

1. Sony owns perhaps part of Mitsubishi electronics, not Mitsubishi motor company!! :lol: :lol:
1. Sony electronics are the best in the whole world!!!

wrong, Sony ADVERTISES that they are the best in the world, but they're not. Stick with Hitachi or Toshiba for TVs... and for DVD players, get Paradigm, for speakers, get Clipsch or Paradigm. Every Sony tv we have ever had as a family has broken down exactly one or two months after the five year warranty has expired. We have a Hitachi tv that has lasted over 30 years and is still going (it was a big screen for it's time). Paradigm have life-time warranties on all of their products.

By the way, sorry about the spelling...

I'm sorry, I totally disagree with you, since I am fully satisfied by all my Sony products (and I have a lot). Anyway forget about this, cause it's off-topic.

I don't know myself, but I can tell you a Z06 is alot faster and more performance tuned, and I mean alot! Pretty sure it has a ginormous amount of power as well.

I don't know myself, but I can tell you a Z06 is alot faster and more performance tuned, and I mean alot! Pretty sure it has a ginormous amount of power as well.

And it's not unheard of for people to break 12 in it stock!

I don't know myself, but I can tell you a Z06 is alot faster and more performance tuned, and I mean alot! Pretty sure it has a ginormous amount of power as well.
yea thats VERY true, check out the "10,000hp shootout" (supertuner challenge) by C&D sept '02,
the players:
10th place...Specter GTR corvette.......................550hp
9th place.....Mallet corvette................................ .759hp
8th place:....Renntech SL55k..............................575hp
7th place.....Olthoff Superformance sport..............540hp
6th place.....Apex Lethal 750 Viper......................750hp
5th place.....Mosler MT900s................................52 5hp
4th place.....Hennessey Venom 800 TT................800hp
3rd place.....Beck Lister.................................. ....550hp
2nd place ...Autothority Porsche stage 5 996 TT...720hp
1st place.....Lingenfelter TT Corvette Stage 2........650hp
and this was just a normal c5, that cost $113,460 vs the porsche $211,556.
so for people that said ill buy a corvette and spend as much for your 911 turbo or even gt2 on mods u can DEFINITALY woop them.
although i dont like corvette over my italys modena gallardo cars,
i would take a z06 in a heart beat

my two cents...WORD! :D

actually going to the www.Dodge.com site
they call this car an SRT-4, not a neon only the base model is a neon so this car has its own name....
Chrysler said it would go back to making cars with numbers like back in the old days.
maybe its was Mercedes' idea, AND REMEMBER BENZ OWNS CHRYSLER
Daimler-Chrysler.

This car looks nicer than a new civic si, celica, sentra
its also faster.
and yes it is faster than a wrx in 1/4 mile and 0-60mph (& for some people thats all that matters)
this is the best bang for buck compact sedan
best bang for buck coupe: corvette z06

You say the best bang for the buck is a z-06 corvette??? are you kidding?? that's a $60,000 car. I paid $1000 for my '87 Camaro, another $2500 for a 350 crate racing motor, & i burn z-06'S down the strip all day long. Oh yeah & I can buy one of those for each of my friends and 2 for my boss & still have some of that $60k left over.....

I think he meant best value for any NEW car. At least thats what I thought, maybe I'm insane :roll: Oh, and why is displacement so important to an engine? Your sig. baffles my mind.

Oh, and the Z06 'Vette has a base price of $52k. The standard options are all you need as well, and the only options add up to another 500 dollars(unless you want a yellow one which costs 750 more for some reason) :mrgreen:

the Z06 and the regular corvette are almost two diffrent cars. the stock vette has the LS1 V-8, worth about 350. The Z06 has the LS6 V-8, with about 405 horsepower. The Vette does a low 5 second 0-60 run, but the Z06 could do a 0-60 in less then 5 seconds.

actually going to the www.Dodge.com site
they call this car an SRT-4, not a neon only the base model is a neon so this car has its own name....
Chrysler said it would go back to making cars with numbers like back in the old days.
maybe its was Mercedes' idea, AND REMEMBER BENZ OWNS CHRYSLER
Daimler-Chrysler.

This car looks nicer than a new civic si, celica, sentra
its also faster.
and yes it is faster than a wrx in 1/4 mile and 0-60mph (& for some people thats all that matters)
this is the best bang for buck compact sedan
best bang for buck coupe: corvette z06

You say the best bang for the buck is a z-06 corvette??? are you kidding?? that's a $60,000 car. I paid $1000 for my '87 Camaro, another $2500 for a 350 crate racing motor, & i burn z-06'S down the strip all day long. Oh yeah & I can buy one of those for each of my friends and 2 for my boss & still have some of that $60k left over.....
i wouldnt want to buy a shitty 87 camaro
and im talking about BRAND SPANKIN NEW, not used.
your 87 wouldnt last on track with a z06, specially if it was a 50 lap race

Couple of things:
a) my 350 crate motor is brand new, and yes, i can drive around a track all day, at speeds pretty close to a STOCK z06 because my car is NOT STOCK. It is modified for TRACK USE, hence it can be driven around a track.

b) OK You want brand new, best bang for your buck?? consider this:
for $14,000 you can buy a kit to build a replica of a 65 Shelby Cobra R
$5000 for the same LS6 V8 from a z06 Corvette

You send me $30,000 and I'll put it together for you full time....give me 3 months

You will still have $3000 left for a Vortech Supercharger, and then you can run 0-60 in 1.7 seconds all day long.....Ya ever been in a convertible faster than a Ducati 996??

im guessing this is a comparison for a track, not a drag strip. if it was a track, i would pick the z06..........
if it was for drag, i would get the camaro.........

z06 is the best coupe for everyday use, and a track warrior for weekends.
now kit cars arent for everyday- goto work use, kit cars are also good for rain :P
im standing with my best bang for buck
if your too cheap to keep on stating cars under 20, grand consider paying $150,000 for 400hp (modena)
all your facts are easier said than done what about labor? cost of shipping parts?
i could always spend as much money as u stated on a dc2 type r or a normal 95 gsr and run 12s with a crv 2.0 engine swap all motor
now back to the SRT-4

My camaro performs better in oval track races than on the drag way. And it was the idea of it all....My car is ALMOST as fast, and a lot cheaper.....it could certainly be made faster than a Z06 if I threw $30k at it.....but it's not if you really want to spend that kind of money on a car, I would either build or pay somebody to build you one. You can get a mucher more custom design with performance specs to fit your needs.

I don't remember the names of any right now, but there are a lot of shops out there who build custom cars and sell them for like $35k. They are all faster than corvettes, and I think they turn more heads. A z06 is something I can appreciate very much, but many people would not even know the difference. A 350+supercharged Shelby Cobra R replica???? Anyone can appreciate a car like that....

z06 is the best coupe for everyday use, and a track warrior for weekends.
now kit cars arent for everyday- goto work use, kit cars are also good for rain :P
im standing with my best bang for buck
if your too cheap to keep on stating cars under 20, grand consider paying $150,000 for 400hp (modena)
all your facts are easier said than done what about labor? cost of shipping parts?
i could always spend as much money as u stated on a dc2 type r or a normal 95 gsr and run 12s with a crv 2.0 engine swap all motor
now back to the SRT-4

The reason I mention that Shelby Kit is because it runs 11's, without the supercharger
and you can drive down the street in your 95 Acura next to my Shelby Cobra and see who gets the attention

See, the money when you buy a Corvette Z06 goes to alot of things that are worthwhile, like a warranty, a big fat "0" on the odometer, brand new-never-before-sat-in seats, and everything else that comes with a BRAND-NEW CAR...now, that's worth alot in lots of people's books...Personally, I'll bet your Camaro is pretty damn quick, assuming you're not jokin' around. Also personally, I'd probably not get either the Camaro or the Z06 and buy a 3.5Liter custom-built twin-turbocharged V-6 for my FORD PROBE...hahaha...I imagine that'd only run me about $20,000, and put my cars engine in the rarified realm of "550" horsepower...hahahah...add that to a **** load of custom suspension equipment and STICKERS!!!!(because as we ALL know, stickers=horsepower) ok, no stickers, anyways...

I think that'd be a dam good comparo, 1987 Camaro with a frickin' truck motor, versus, a 1993 Twin-Turbocharged Six Cylinder Ford Probe, versus, a 2003 Corvette Z06...
We'll do three tests, on an oval track, on a road course, and out on the streets...oh man...pure exhiliration... 8)

lol! hehe, oh, stickers like totally equal horse power man :wink: Anyway, I don't see why kit cars are being brought into the discussion. A New car witha WARRENTY from a car company would be a Z06 Vette. It's the best you can do for the money and it's more than agreat deal. That's all I'm saying. Sorry I don't include kit cars when I compare new available cars and value for what you're getting. I guess you guys are way too underground, hard core, blood and sweat ,too much time on your hands, enthusiests for me :P

The reason I mention that Shelby Kit is because it runs 11's, without the supercharger
and you can drive down the street in your 95 Acura next to my Shelby Cobra and see who gets the attention
yup kit cobra on a rainy day... that sure does kick ass
a shelby kit alone doesnt run 11's u also need an engine, and not all the engines u put in the kit can run 11's

wait.....this topic is about the Dodge SRT-4 isn't it?.......wow

wait.....this topic is about the Dodge SRT-4 isn't it?.......wow
yea and it kicks ass, the turbo is about the size of a pancake

i think it might be smaller. I remeber the turbo from the PT cruiser turbo was about the size of a small orange. And i was thinking "that supplies nearly 100 more horsepower"

the Neon SRT-4 sucks, it's only built for 0-60. and it's still a Neon!!!! Neons are junk, call it a "super" neon, or what ever, it's still a neon. you can put a turbo on anything and make it fast.

PT's suck too, it's a Neon minivan! junk!

:twisted:

the Neon SRT-4 sucks, it's only built for 0-60. and it's still a Neon!!!! Neons are junk, call it a "super" neon, or what ever, it's still a neon. you can put a turbo on anything and make it fast.

PT's suck too, it's a Neon minivan! junk!

:twisted:


I couldn't agree more lol.

Yeah... me too.

it would be nicer if the srt-4 had AWD but then it would be a total ripoff of an evo. remember the neon uses a Mitsubishi turbo :roll:

it would be nicer if the srt-4 had AWD but then it would be a total ripoff of an evo. remember the neon uses a Mitsubishi turbo :roll:

Ricers like FWD lol.
I HATE it, AWD is good, but for all out performance RWD is the way to go.

well actually FWD does have its benefits. Like in winter there is more traction with FWD then RWD. so it is easier to drive on the ice. The only disadvantage FWD has is that its not good for racing but for day to day driving its perfectly fine

well actually FWD does have its benefits. Like in winter there is more traction with FWD then RWD. so it is easier to drive on the ice. The only disadvantage FWD has is that its not good for racing but for day to day driving its perfectly fine

But who buys a sports car for the snow? Lol, not me!

ok sports cars, no but lets say for everyday driving. FWD technology works

ok sports cars, no but lets say for everyday driving. FWD technology works

Day to day its okay, but for a sports car its kinda crappy.

yeah it sure is lol

I wouldn't say it's crappy. I don;t know who would say that either because it is just another method besides RWD. There's less weight in a FWD setup, there is mor effeciency in it, it handles better and will not lose control as easily, it gives more interior space in a car. Again, it's simply a different system that works in different capacities than RWD.

I wouldn't say it's crappy. I don;t know who would say that either because it is just another method besides RWD. There's less weight in a FWD setup, there is mor effeciency in it, it handles better and will not lose control as easily, it gives more interior space in a car. Again, it's simply a different system that works in different capacities than RWD.

FWD is different yes. Handle better in snow yup.
But for all out handling RWD is superior.

all out handeling AWD is more superior! :twisted:

all out handeling AWD is more superior! :twisted:

Soooo not right. AWD is to heavy and causes to much "push and slide" its only superior on loose and wet surfaces. RWD is the best dry set-up by far. Thats why Porsche dropped the AWD from the 911 Turbo for the GT2, and why 99% of race cars are RWD.

I'd have to say that the best set up for dry is mid-engine mounted with RWD. Then for things like rally cars and le-mans, the AWD is the best. Why do you think those Audis in the Le Mans series whipped so much bootey? They race in all sorts of weather. I just wouldn't say FWD "sucks" because thats kinda insulting to the good sport compacts that do have it. it's less expensive and can still perform very well. That's why so many car's do have it.

for dry weather racing RWD is king but for allround racing the crown belongs to AWD

for dry weather racing RWD is king but for allround racing the crown belongs to AWD

Yeah that was what I was saying. AWD is good in the wet or off road.
BUT on dry surfaces, which is most important, RWD is the best by FAR.

thats true RWD is still superior in most dry conditions

FWD cars are cool and all but it sucks when people are closed minded or just ignorant and like to talk S$%$, I cannot understand the purpose of a rear mount spoiler on a FWD car, where is the logic in that doesn't that assist in pulling the weight and force of the car tot eh rear away from the wheels to drive the car? AWD is awesome but I have to stick with RWD for all out race. True that AWD and FWD do better in variable weather, but that is where the driver makes the difference, any idoit can lose a RWD car in wet sufaces, as well as a FWD or AWD, put the right driver in any car and it will work. I have never seen a FWD or AWD car break the 6 second barrier, may be wrong there, but fastest I have ever seen is about mid to low 7's? correct me if I am wrong. It would be cool to see someone try but there will NEVER be a FWD car in Top Fuel or Funny car, running anywhere near 4's.If so I would love to see them though!

i hate the SRT4 but i know its pretty quick for its class and it is very cheap $$$, which is nice. it might actually be able to break into high 13's.....but i'd call it a low 14 sec car.....if you guys are talking about the 300hp Impreza, refer to it as the STi instead of WRX.......the SRT4 can compete and probably beat the WRX, but the neon will go nowhere near the STi (and Evo)!!!! ...I dont like it, but its pretty quick and cheap so there

i hate the SRT4 but i know its pretty quick for its class and it is very cheap $$$, which is nice. it might actually be able to break into high 13's.....but i'd call it a low 14 sec car.....if you guys are talking about the 300hp Impreza, refer to it as the STi instead of WRX.......the SRT4 can compete and probably beat the WRX, but the neon will go nowhere near the STi (and Evo)!!!! ...I dont like it, but its pretty quick and cheap so there

Hi all, I had to join the forums just to reply to this...

Yes, I own an srt-4 and I'm biased, but not too much. Trust me, if I could afford the 10K dealer markup around these parts I'd be driving an Evo VIII right now...

But to my point - the SRT will wax vanilla WRX's and EVO's in a straight all day and with a few bucks it'll take an STI (although I still get a chill down my spine when I run into one on the street.) My car runs 13.3 with a drag radials and some Mopar goodies but there are plenty of them in the 12's now...

http://srtforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=f8894139fae141feb731b 9a319315778&forumid=28

Oh, yeah and when I steal the Dynamic struts and tires from my wifes Neon ACR, it'll do better than .95 Gs.

See ya.

how much boost are you getting on that turbo? Is it all high wound like the Evo's almost 20 psi? Sounds like you made your SRT-4 into quite a lethal machine! :twisted:

i got this www.SRTforums.com site try it it has some sweet pics of srt-4, one of my friends has a srt-4 and he was telling me about this one race he had with this guy in a 98 eclipse w/ turbo, the eclipse ran a good fight but the srt killed it. :twisted: i c some one has put the site up already :!: oh well

The SRT-4 is not a bad looking car, just needs to be lowered a little. The back is to high I feel.

the back of the neon has always been strangely high

I think that the center of gravity was moved up for whatever reason, making the rear end higher up off the ground. I suppose that would give the car better traction since it's FWD, but I've never really been sure on that theory. I actually saw an SRT-4 in my hometown recently for the first time and realized just how bad-ass it looks.

it looks like a demon with the evil eye light covers i coulden find a pic with them on but im looking

I think that the center of gravity was moved up for whatever reason, making the rear end higher up off the ground. I suppose that would give the car better traction since it's FWD, but I've never really been sure on that theory. I actually saw an SRT-4 in my hometown recently for the first time and realized just how bad-ass it looks.

It must be a ride quality thing, all the ones that autocross with me are lowered in the rear.

I played with one tonight that had a nice exhaust system and loud bov, it moved not bad for a neon :)
Not sure what exhaust he was running but it was one of the best 4cyls ive ever heard, ive never heard a 4cyl actually have a litle rumble it was a nice car.

Jim: Regular Vettes run about 350hp... Z06 runs about 405hp, and has better brakes, exhaust, side air scoops, and all around better engine. Simply put, the Z06 is faster amongst other things.

The SRT-4 is no where near faster than an STi, perhaps a standard WRX Impreza which has about 100 less hp than the STi. STi's hit 0-60 in 4.8 and thats stock. SRT-4 sucks, it's a Neon for christs sake. If you want some power, and all around performance, get an STi not a shitty SRT-4.

EDIT: oops I missed a couple pages... :lol:

WRX Impreza which has about 100 less hp than the STi
What??? How many HP do the WRX and STi get over there?

WRX Impreza which has about 100 less hp than the STi
What??? How many HP do the WRX and STi get over there?

227/300.

:?
The WRX here gets 225 HP and the STi gets 265.
But there is also an exclusiveto Greece tuned STi version with 330 HP. :wink:

American emission controls really make it alot harder for the higher performing imports to make it toUS shores. I'm very glad with what we have now, you can take anything stock and make it faster too. So no worries over JDM or other higher output power trains that don't make it here.

American emission controls really make it alot harder for the higher performing imports to make it toUS shores. I'm very glad with what we have now, you can take anything stock and make it faster too. So no worries over JDM or other higher output power trains that don't make it here.

Well the thing is most counties emmisions laws are the same as ours now, hence the same horsepower most of the time.:-)

:) Guys, I agree strongly with how much the emissions regulations suck :? . However, judging by the the first posted comment about the STR-4, he wasn't comparing it to many cars in specific, except for the WRX. I agree, that it probably would beat the WRX, race specifications pending. On the other hand, a few other people compared cars' superiority with just horsepower comparison. But by my knowlege of cars, sometimes the horsepower doesn't matter at all. I for one am a big Japanese/Swedish car fan (Honda, Acura, Nissan, Toyota, and Volvo (which is now owned by ford)). My point is, my uncle owns a 2003 RSX-s *200hp* and it beats out a 1995 Volvo 850R (turbo)*230 hp* on 0-60 and top-end speed, both cars in mint condition. I haven't seen much publication for the STR-4, but I noticed it while passing through the Dodge website. I was wondering if anyone would know how a RSX-s would own up to a STR-4... Btw, if some people are comparing 30K + cars, try the new 2004 Dodge GTO :D

:oops: Sorry, I meant Pontiac, hhahah. I was just looking at the Dodge website. :oops:

Heheh, no problem, I've made bigger mistakes. Yeah, hp is only one part of the car equasion. You can't tell me that displacement is the final factor either. It's everything working together and I mean everything. Suspension, the steering system, the body construction and how much it twists, just everything. The SRT-4 beats the Evo 8, WRX and the WRX STi along with the R32 in the price/value catagory, though the racing aspect has yet to be totally and truely compared. Then you have theit beating out in performance the Scion tC, the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart, The VW GTi 1.8T, and other similarly $20k priced cars in pure performance, if only straightline. There's nothing else out there really like it.

Well my friend is trading in his Jetta soon for a SRT-4, I'll grab the keys when he gets it and give it my full "evaluation" lol.

hehe, don't get busted by the cops during this "testing" :lol:

hehe, don't get busted by the cops during this "testing" :lol:


Okay I'll try my best...:-)

no comparison.
the SRT-4 like i said can destroy most cars stock.
even the RSX-S (which is about $3,500 more)
thats 230hp @ 250lbs torque vs 200hp @ 142lbs torque
just by looking at that the SRT-4 can woop the rsxs
& it can also beat:
wrx
civic si
focus svt
sentra ser
rsx-s
eclipse gts
and all for the retail value of $20,200

i really haven't seen the SRT4 on the road at all. i think i've seen one. and don't use the argument "it just came out" because there are tons of cars out there that "just came out" and i see them about 10 times more on the road than i do the SRT4. so it seems it's not doing great in sales, regardless of peoples' opinions that they are monsters and they can beat x, y, z, w, etc. cars in straight lines.

i wanted to know, how is this car on the track? i'm not talking about lowly drag strips, but on real tracks. does it have good suspension? stiff chassis? good balance? from what i can see, it's just a car that's made for straightline acceleration. no fun.

i wanted to know, how is this car on the track? i'm not talking about lowly drag strips, but on real tracks. does it have good suspension? stiff chassis? good balance? from what i can see, it's just a car that's made for straightline acceleration. no fun.
No offence, but unfortunately most american cars are like that... :roll:

Anyone send me a website link to actualy statistics for the STR-4 (0-60, 1/4, Top Speed, etc)? :?

STR-4 Small, lite weight= good handling. I suppose it depends on what kind of track you are talking about and do you mean endurance racing?

Lightweight does not necessarily mean good handling...
A Fiat Seicento is very lightweight but I guess it doesn't have that much of a handling. :P

Yeah, I wouldn't be suprised if a Civic Type-R had a higher top speed even.

The top speed of the Type-R is 235 km/h (147 mph).

The top speed of the Type-R is 235 km/h (147 mph).

Automobile got a SRT-4 to 151 mph.

Well, 147 mph is the value that the company gives... I guess you know that in real life, all cars get a little more. Anyway.

Well, 147 mph is the value that the company gives... I guess you know that in real life, all cars get a little more. Anyway.

Not always.

Whatever. Who cares anyway.

Geez, why DID Honda forget about the US when they released the Civic Type-R? That's going to confuse me for the longest time. :lol:

because so many ppl in the united states buy things like huge trucks and straightline-only cars. and unfortunately, ppl in the US are obsessed with things like... *cough* the dodge neon srt-4 in which ppl talk endless discussions about how fast it can go in a straight line, be it acceleration or top speed. so companies like honda are afraid that the US consumers won't buy them at all because it's not what the US consumers want. i mean look at the most popular sport in america. nascar. what a joke. racing in a circle? (i'm sorry. oval. not like that's any better.)