Why is it that America has no good car to offer to young drivers? The closest car is a Focus and who would want to buy a focus? I wonder if Ford and Chevy and Dodge will ever really catch up. Dodge does have the SRT-4, but thats 20k. Im talkin about a good tuner for under 15k. I doesn't have to have all of the fancy seats and gadgets like in the Aveo. I just needs to be simple, cheap, and tunable. Am I the only one that feels this way? Why after all these years has no American company offered a car like this? :?:

E. None of the Above (RX-7)

Well generally I agree with Attaus...

Well what Japanese car under 15k is out thats cheap and tunable??

every car is tunable and the Neon is one ford ****us and probe how ever i would never get one. they do have them but you have to know and understand the USreally hasent ben is the sport compact world that long. So as sport compacts become more and more wanted then yes they will step up but right now they are more worried about putting out SUV's Which i do think that every one with a small car detest how ever they will come around and the SRT-4 is a very nice car fast and for the fact it dosent look that bad they will come give it time.

The Neon SRT is as cheap as it gets... Also watch out for the Saturn Ion Redline. Both are very cheap pocket rocket cars aimed at the youth.

Japan is not ahead of America... Sit in a deville with night vision, onstar, and a northstar engine.

Well, the Bottom line of American car companies ar enot compacts, sports cars or luxury cars. They are Pickup Trucks. Almost 1/3 of Fords Profits are form the sales of the F150.
A comapny like Ford that would spend over 1 billion! in development of a truck does not care much if they make a car to rival the likes of the Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.

Actually Thlam your quite wrong. Ford cares much about competing with Toyota and Honda in the small compact car world which is why they have invested so much money in marketing the Focus. The focus is their 2nd best selling car so why would they not care about it?

nope, Sorry. The F-150 is the best selling car they have. Also their most important car in Europe but thier main focus irght now is also on europe and increasing profits over there too

what the heck? I meant to put that in a different topic wtf?

there isn't the demand in America for quality sport compacts yet really. Americans keep buying stupid trucks, SUVs, and low quality cars for the wrong reasons. If people aren't educated about how much better quality Euro and Japanese cars are, they would be able to force America to start improving. And as for the Deville, that's a very abnormal American car. I don't know how much they cost, but I'm sure it isn't much compared to a Mercedes, Jaguar, or something like a Pheaton. Audis are also much better. You want a better car? You are going to have to pay more, simple Economics. American cars are therefor cheap, and people think cheap means "good deal" while blind to the fact that in 10 years that car will be so much trouble they will wonder why they ever bought it.

Americans don't need cheap cars.

For the hippies that do, that's what Japan is for.

I don't like the idea of buying something foreign whether it be good or not. But in the class of cars I'd buy the Americans are usually better fitted to my tastes.

But the whole idea of beeing "behind" in any way is off.

Isn't there supposed to be a new cavalier coming out soon? its got somewhere in the 200hp range..
If Ford and GM aren't careful honda and acura (is lexus american?) and many other makers will have SUV's aswell. In San Antonio Toyota is really interested in gaining the trust of the ranchers who put their trucks to the farthest extent of punishment everyday. The Titan is going to have 300 hp and its pretty mean lookin. If Toyota can gain the trust of the people that actually put the trucks to use, everyone else would want them too. If you have ever been to Texas then you've seen how many texas edition trucks there are out there. I can't remember how much American companies gain in sales in Texas but it was some insane amount. Toyota wants Texans to buy Toyotas and not fords or chevys so America could be in real trouble because japan already has most of the sedan market.

lexus is Toyota and yes i am from Texas how ever most of my friends that arnt stuck on the fast and the gay love GM products. So i dont think that the US market has any problem.

Hey.. I got a prelude too.. 4th gen (94).. AEM cold air intake... flow master exhaust.. ground effects.. what gen u got?

Ok ready i have a 97 honda prelude SH with a T3/T4 turbo with 20 pounds of boost and after the greddy intercooler it come out to about 45 pounds. with a green air filter. NX N-cooler with Crane cams turbo cams (to help spool the turbo up) AEM cam Gears AEM Pullies AEM Fuel Filter, regulater,fuel rail. skunk2 racing head with crane cams black steel valves titanium springs and retainers. low compression pistons and rods. (provided by eagle) with their Steel crank shaft. Light weight flywheel and there are some others i just cant think of them right now.

o ya and its a 5th Gen
Are you from TEXAS?

i also have a 1st Gen 2nd Gen and a 3rd

I dont have a 4th sad to say but i hear they are nice two

I don't like the idea of buying something foreign whether it be good or not.
That quote is EXACTLY the problem with you Americans. If you (americans) ever got rid of this stupid thinking, you would really see the truth.

Seriously, whats the problem with buying something from another country?! I REALLY want to know. If there is a better product that's available, why not get that?(And as I have made the point many times over, American cars are behind Japanese and Eurpoean ones in engineering and build quality, and I don't know when they will ever catch up)

if you really really think about it, america has many cars that are aimed at younger drivers. The SVT focus, the SRT-4, the new Redline series from saturn, the PT cruiser turbos. All these cars out run there japanese counterparts, such as the civic Si, mazdaspeed protege and nissan sentra GT-R. And if you think about it even more, there are more aftermarket parts for modern american cars than japanese cars. How many aftermarket parts are currently availabe for the 2004 civic, corolla or Mazda 3? Very, very few. But there are alot of aftermarket parts for the ford zetec and GM ecotec engines. So if you want a realy cheap car for about $15k, don't go with either japan or america, go german with the mini.

LOL, thats a 25K car u think any yoth can afford a 25K car out of highschool? Realm your pushing 20 pounds of boost :shock: , that seems a bit extreme

right out out of high school yes but i joined the army and they gave me a lot of money so i dumped it all in to a car

And as for the amount of boost we put it in to an equation and it told me what kinda pistions and rods i needed so the head would not be blown to bits. and I didnt pay 25 for the car more like 7K. i will go through and pull out all the specs on my car if you want me to and you can put them to the test.

Thlam, why don't you read my post correctly first and than respond. I said the focus is Ford's 2nd best car.

You all must be too young to see why.

Maybe you should have paid attention in history or economics in high school.

8)

anybody ever see roger & me by michael moore?

and japanese car makers have moved a lot of their production to the US, so it's almost just as patriotic to buy japanese

everyone (high school students, students fresh out of high school, etc) is so used to seeing japanese cars, that they follow the crowd and buy japanese.

when i was in high school last year; i knew a guy that had a cavalier that tried to put all these aftermarket parts that you would normally find on an import on his cavalier, and everyone just laughed at him......

Modified Cavaliers i have seen are pretty funny too. Most have those ugly Altezza taillights, and huge Aluminum wings

So it is ok to put that **** on a Honda but not a Cavalier?

I think that the whole little "sport compact" thing is the lamest thing ever and there are Hondas and Neons etc. They are all lame!!

As for the Japan patriot thing... We are putting money in their pockets and they are not doing the same. Notice how the economy sucks and nobody has jobs?

Hmm wonder why.

Well i love living in the US and its not that i dont like US cars well maybe i dont like fords but none the less i like my honda that was made in the US by US workers yes some of the money gets shiped back to japan but for the most part it stays right here.

Its not ok for anycar to have them, it looks tacky and horrbile.

As for the Japan patriot thing... We are putting money in their pockets and they are not doing the same. Notice how the economy sucks and nobody has jobs?

Whats funny aobut your commecnt is that you don't know Honda hires over 13 000 people to work at their 4 factories in Ohio alone, when a car company opens up a factory let alone 4 there are thousands of other indirect and direct jobs made. Seems more to me that money is going into the pockets of the American workers then into Honda pockets. This is a win win situaiton for everybody and that is so far working well. People have jobs and Honda gets their cars. The American economy would be doing way better if America stopped putting tariffs to "protect" their industry. It does not protect, it creates almost a monopoly like industry where American corperations will feel it is aliright to make subpar products. Competition is good for everybody. If you don't like Foreign Companies that setup business in America than tell that to the unemployed worker who may have had a job working for Honda and not complaining about how crappy the economy is. Be thankful for foreign factories in the United States they create jobs not make them disappear.

So it is ok to put that [censored] on a Honda but not a Cavalier?

I think that the whole little "sport compact" thing is the lamest thing ever and there are Hondas and Neons etc. They are all lame!

What do you suggest as an alternative?
Not an SUV.. Not a Truck.. there are no more good V-8 camaros or firebirds.. not an american compact or japanese.. what is there left?

Realm, in answer to your question, yes I am from texas. I was wondering though.. I want to put a T3 or T4 turbo in my fourth gen.. what do I need to upgrade to run at a max of 20 psi and how (if its possible) would it be if i put twin turbos or a supercharger?

Its not ok for anycar to have them, it looks tacky and horrbile.

As for the Japan patriot thing... We are putting money in their pockets and they are not doing the same. Notice how the economy sucks and nobody has jobs?

Whats funny aobut your commecnt is that you don't know Honda hires over 13 000 people to work at their 4 factories in Ohio alone, when a car company opens up a factory let alone 4 there are thousands of other indirect and direct jobs made. Seems more to me that money is going into the pockets of the American workers then into Honda pockets. This is a win win situaiton for everybody and that is so far working well. People have jobs and Honda gets their cars. The American economy would be doing way better if America stopped putting tariffs to "protect" their industry. It does not protect, it creates almost a monopoly like industry where American corperations will feel it is aliright to make subpar products. Competition is good for everybody. If you don't like Foreign Companies that setup business in America than tell that to the unemployed worker who may have had a job working for Honda and not complaining about how crappy the economy is. Be thankful for foreign factories in the United States they create jobs not make them disappear.

I knew that.

And to Attaus there are many good cars! SRT4, Ion Redline, and SVT Focus... But I would never drive those.

My point exactly.. there are cars (even though its only 3).. but you nor I would drive any of them. BTW, what kind of car do u drive?

So it is ok to put that [censored] on a Honda but not a Cavalier?

I think that the whole little "sport compact" thing is the lamest thing ever and there are Hondas and Neons etc. They are all lame!!

Hell yeah, its sad to see teens pump there money in these crappy slow cars to make them look worse than stock. They should just save there money and get a nice car, but its there money so more power to them.

Realm, in answer to your question, yes I am from texas. I was wondering though.. I want to put a T3 or T4 turbo in my fourth gen.. what do I need to upgrade to run at a max of 20 psi and how (if its possible) would it be if i put twin turbos or a supercharger?[/quote]

Really all you need to do is upgrade the head see skunk2 and then you will need low comp pistions and rods. (I didnt do any of the inside work i would say to let someone do it) Find a good import shop that knows what they are doing and then ask them if the can help you comput the right sized rods. then have you may at this point want to upgrade the cylinders with some iron sleeves. go see swan tech and have them spray the inside of the block and that will help keep everything safe. As for the twin turbo i wouldent because then you are just wasting money when you can push the same safe boost out of one. And all the upgrades will do the same for the supercharger.

As for the Whole Japan being way ahead of America, No, you fail. All of Japan's once great cars, are GONE! The Skyline, the Supra, the Rx-7 GONE! Even the Ricer Civic has now been turned into a FAMILY CAR, have fun pimpin out what my mom drivers. The Corolla is ****, its got like 80 or 90 horsepower and its now a family car too. Japan as of right now has TWO things going for it. Both being of Three letters too. that is, EVO, and WRX. Yes, I do give a modest nod to the Mazdaspeed Protege and the Nissan Spec-V Sentra (which they turned into a gay-mobile with the new front grille, so that car can eat me) And Japan has crap SUV's. You should all stop bashing American ( in which I give a big red, white, and blue, middle finger to everyone who did without good reason) and maybe start thinkin if the companys you back actually make anything good? Not only that, almost ALL European cars that are somewhat affordable that dont suck total nutsack...OH WAIT, there are NONE! With maybe the acception of the new Alfa Romero hatch back, which is a nice car, but that goes above 20 thousand dollars, so its too expensive for you guys, so you cant include. I have no qualms with European cars however, they make lots of good stuff and find horsepower in the oddest places. But theres nothing quite like putting an engine that BARLY fits in your car and makes a noise that almost blows out the windsheid of the car next to you. I buy American because thats where I live and because thats what I can afford. You get me a BMW that costs 7000 and is fairly new and decently quick and doesnt have a million miles on it, and I'll stop ripping on European cars altogether. As for Japan, bring back the Skyline, thats all I got for them.

well EVO if u want a BMW get yourself an old 318i they are less then 10 000 now. When you posted your thread all i see is that you mention sports cars. You don't mention anything about quality or reliability. Quality and reliability is where Japn wins 10 fold on Ameircan counterparts. People want a car that they can trust and that won't cost them a lot of money to fix becasue of reliability issues. Not all Japan performance cars are gone There is sitll the 350Z, Honda NSX and the skyline is returning in 2007

look Evo_power you are a dumb ass most of the people that get smallers like the civic and others get it for the gas and the reliability then if they want to build it up rather than just going out and buying an allready fast car.

And yess i see y not get a fast car and make it faster well a lot of people cant afford it.

Evo, The supra and skyline are not good cars... they're BEASTLY cars. japan still has many good cars available.. BTW.. what cars are you talking about "instead of buying a civic and adding stuff to it, just spend more money on a car" what car? It must be american made though.. like you said. :twisted:

look Evo_power you are a dumb ass most of the people that get smallers like the civic and others get it for the gas and the reliability then if they want to build it up rather than just going out and buying an allready fast car.

And yess i see y not get a fast car and make it faster well a lot of people cant afford it.

Oh, woah waoh waoh, wait. Stop with the name calling. I'll admit I'm guilty of it myself, but it doesn't get us anywhere. Here is a list of Japanese imports, just the ones available in America! The JDM spec ones are even better!!! And their are more models available in Japan. These cars are exceptional values and beat whatever American counterparts they have, if any!

Acura: NSX, RSX Type-S, TSX
Honda: S2000, Civic Si, Accord LX V-6
Nissan: 350Z, Sentra SE Spec-V, Altima 3.5 SE
Infiniti: G35 Coupe
Mazda: RX-8, Mazdaspeed Protege, Miata
Mitsubishi: Lancer Evo VIII, Lancer Ralliart
Subaru: Impreza WRX STi, Impreza WRX Sedan
Toyota: Celica GT-S
Lexus: IS300

Then in what? Three to five years we will also be getting the NEW Skyline, the NEW Supra, and who knows what else? Nissan has the Silvias going on as well, those are sweet drift machines! Can I rest my case now? :wink:

Im with Raith.. thats a pretty sweet line of cars.. i would take any of them. and they are all currently in production. AND thats not even all of them.. thats the elite list.

right out out of high school yes but i joined the army and they gave me a lot of money so i dumped it all in to a car

And as for the amount of boost we put it in to an equation and it told me what kinda pistions and rods i needed so the head would not be blown to bits. and I didnt pay 25 for the car more like 7K. i will go through and pull out all the specs on my car if you want me to and you can put them to the test.

Actually I would be pretty interested to hear them, not that I doubt you or anything, I just want to see what a Turbo will get me.

look all i am saying is that when you have people that dont have money and all they can afford is maybe a civic then once its payed off then what trade it in for a nother car so they have more car payments. No some people just cant do it but for them the civic and other cars that they maybe able to get they love and if any of you have ever just started out and maybe didnt have much money the first time you payed for a car i bet you loved it and many people just want to the chance to have fun see what every one is talking about. Last it dosent mater what car people have as long as they know its there car.

Dude, Realm.. I just want to know what my hp increase will be If I add a turbo and my time increase willl be. Im trying to decide on weather to get an 1991-1996 MR2 Turbo or keep the prelude and put a turbo in it. Im kinda leanin toward gettin an MR2 though.. I just like the styling better.. and all I have to do is crank up the psi.. (after adding fuel injection and upgrading the fuel delivery system).

An average increase by a turbo is about 30% more HP.

really i mean you cant tell some one what the HP and time woud be after the turbo because it all depends on howw much boost you are going to run. i can give you the equation to put it all in and figuer out what it is going to be.

ok.. I have an SI with an aem intake and fuel injection (is that stock?) along with flow master exhaust.. and maybe some minor details. I want to run at about 20psi. Im planning on getting headers, intake manifold.. prep for a turbo...

i still think 20psi is crazy thats way to much boost for some engines man

ok so its an SI with what engin the H22 or the H23 abut anyway when you buy the turbo you will most likly get a kit so you just need to tell them that you need a boost range that can read 20 psi you will need low compression pistons and rods and i when and got a new steel crank put in. i dont know if the stock crank could handle it but you could try. and you need a new head and valves something that can take the higher compression and you may want to get some iron sleave inserts. that is all that you will need. I am going to put out everything in my engin bay. in the next post.

If I were to get an Audi 1.8T and upgrade the turbo and turn the PSI to 15 maybe.. would I need to do much work? (im planning on selling the prelude)

well yes because the car is set up for the amount that it come off the line with. i am not + as to how much the cars boost is but i am willing to bet that it is not that much. you will still need to upgrade the engin. i mean you maybe able to run that much but the engin will blow up if you dont go in and change and stringthen the engin.

Indeed, i agree with the above post. You'll need to upgrade the engine before you increase the boost.

don't get a 1.8T they are not good, not evne real leather interior! if you want to get an A4 get a 2.8 quattro they ar ebetter and more tuneable because of better engine

I did some reading on it and you cant just turn up the boost and the block will handle it but the more you run it and the more you boost it the less the engin will preform so i would go in and change some of the setting in the engin. how ever you go i would say to wate and really look in to the engin specs. then check and know thats what you want to do.

in some aspects i would say jap cars are ahead but in most cases like SUPERCARS.
NO
japan has what?
NSX-R
& if u qualify these as supercars:
rx8
sti
evo
350z/g35/skyline35
s2000
then us has: notice supercars:
saleen s7
ford gt
than the affordable ones:
pontiac gto
srt-10
z06
svt cobra

dont forget the supra too :)

i've noticed that every japanese car can beat every american car that's listed, except for the exotic that cost like 5x more than the NSX (S7) i don't think the S7 should really be considered here...... the ford GT maybe, but it's still like 50k more expensive than the NSX, and you could do a whole lot with that $

also, does anyone know the difference between the NSX-R and the NSX/NSX-T?

i've noticed that every japanese car can beat every american car that's listed



Lay off the drugs buddy lol. That statement is not even close to being true.

I own a Ford...hahaha....oh yeah dude, welcome to the forum!

Anyways, on with the dispensage of absolute nonsense, my probe's a good car, and hell, actually, not even gonna argue it, too lazy...

The thing with buying any of the American cars on that list, and the S7 shouldn't be on there, the GT, yeah, AND WHERE'S THE VIPER!!!

The Viper versus the NSX........500 horsepower versus, 290, .95 + g's, verus the nsx...ummm....braking to 0 from 60 in 97 ft??!!! The NSX, like I said in a previous post, is well due for the replacement HSC...

The way I see it is, buy whatever you want, for whatever reason you want...no matter how stupid it may seem to others, if you, the one who'll pay for it, wants it badly, then get it!

Also, dude, get the damn MR2, mid engined, awesome looks, stunning performance, and RWD...do it, for the children... 8)

Guys is it really hard to accept that the NSX races on a track faster than the Viper???

its hard fo rthem to accept they all think its underpowered,
pontiac gto
srt-10
z06
svt cobra

HAHAHA u call these supercars but don't qualify
rx8
sti
evo
350z/g35/skyline35
s2000
...as super cars i sense a huge load of bias
and Sallen S7, Tommy Kaira ZZII, now thats a race i'd really love to see :)

i've noticed that every japanese car can beat every american car that's listed



Lay off the drugs buddy lol. That statement is not even close to being true.

read the WHOLE thing :roll:

everything except S7 and ford GT

other than that, all those cars would be beaten; stock

You guys are funny.

Yeah, an NSX beating a Viper... track or not... lol.

other than that, all those cars would be beaten; stock

No way man, it depends on what you are talking about......drag, braking whatever......
Cause ALOT of those "American" cars would spank those "Jap" cars big time.

You guys are funny.

Yeah, an NSX beating a Viper... track or not... lol.
Try to avoid watching any race on a track between them, I don't want you to be disappointed... :)

You guys are funny.

Yeah, an NSX beating a Viper... track or not... lol.
Try to avoid watching any race on a track between them, I don't want you to be disappointed... :)

I have seen many Pro-Solo events with those two cars, the Viper ALWAYS hammers the poor NSX. The NSX had the better balance because it is mid-engined, but it has no power and the Viper has lots. :-)

its hard fo rthem to accept they all think its underpowered,
pontiac gto
srt-10
z06
svt cobra

HAHAHA u call these supercars but don't qualify
rx8
sti
evo
350z/g35/skyline35
s2000
...as super cars i sense a huge load of bias
and Sallen S7, Tommy Kaira ZZII, now thats a race i'd really love to see :)
read my post again retard i didnt qualify the rx8,sti,evo, and all the other jap cars mentioned as supercars, AS WITH the z06,srt-10,svt cobra.
THINK, the cars i stated are the ones being sold brand new '03 models and beyond
too bad the ZZII hasnt been tested yet :( and its been a concept for as long as the pagani
if its not in Road & Track, OR hasnt been tested by any company EXCEPT ITSELF i dont consider it a REAL CAR.
talk about me being biased i am FROM AMERICA i like to SOMEWHAT SUPPORT WHAT WE MAKE, yes yes they have toyota/nissan/etc plants here too,
but i still like FORD, CHRYSLER, GM.
face it the only worthy car OF the SUPERCAR name is the NSX-R
& i never underestimated this car, it almost beat a murciealgo in a tight track...

I *heart* 1mic :lol: seriously dude, you tell it straight when all I can do is stick my tounge out at these guys. I know that these cars rule, I just wish I could prove it like you do :lol:

its hard fo rthem to accept they all think its underpowered,
pontiac gto
srt-10
z06
svt cobra

HAHAHA u call these supercars but don't qualify
rx8
sti
evo
350z/g35/skyline35
s2000
...as super cars i sense a huge load of bias
and Sallen S7, Tommy Kaira ZZII, now thats a race i'd really love to see :)
read my post again retard i didnt qualify the rx8,sti,evo, and all the other jap cars mentioned as supercars, AS WITH the z06,srt-10,svt cobra.
THINK, the cars i stated are the ones being sold brand new '03 models and beyond
too bad the ZZII hasnt been tested yet :( and its been a concept for as long as the pagani
if its not in Road & Track, OR hasnt been tested by any company EXCEPT ITSELF i dont consider it a REAL CAR.
talk about me being biased i am FROM AMERICA i like to SOMEWHAT SUPPORT WHAT WE MAKE, yes yes they have toyota/nissan/etc plants here too,
but i still like FORD, CHRYSLER, GM.
face it the only worthy car OF the SUPERCAR name is the NSX-R
& i never underestimated this car, it almost beat a murciealgo in a tight track...


Wow you called him a retard. :roll:

ok retard, here is your post
in some aspects i would say jap cars are ahead but in most cases like SUPERCARS.
NO
japan has what?
NSX-R
& if u qualify these as supercars:
rx8
sti
evo
350z/g35/skyline35
s2000
then us has: notice supercars:
saleen s7
ford gt
than the affordable ones
pontiac gto
srt-10
z06
svt cobra

u've placed
pontiac gto
srt-10
z06
svt cobra
as AFFORDABLE supercars maybe you should read your own posts before passing judgement on someones mental capacity RETARD

and they race the ZZII its now knwon as the ASL Garaiya in JGTC

the ZZII isnt being sold to the public yet, so therefore its not a production car.
and as for retard dont make me remind u that i made u look like a fool when u said an r34 can destroy a 911 Turbo...
it cant even make faster lap times then a normal carrera @ nordschleife (nurburgring)
back to my statements yes its true the viper maybe be the only one thats not as affordable, but the GTO and cobra are all in the same praice range as your g35 coupe, sti, evo.
& i rest my case with US haveing better supercars.
yea yea, the new supra will come out soon, but so will the c6 corvette, then u still have the srt-10 which is still a convertible not a sportier coupe kind of like the RT-10 - GTS

no sorry u didn't make me look like a retard, what i remember u from is when u called me biased towards Japanese cars and i am not. From what i've read the Skyline is faster then the Carrera around nurburgring. Take an R34 remove the dam limiter and the skyline can beat a 911 turbo, ok maybe it can't beat a 911 turbo, but thats a really small maybe. It can keep up really well with it, if you want actual performance figures of the R34 and Carerra look them up yourself!. How odd of you to finally put the GTO, Cobra, G35 coupe, sti and evo into your supercar category even with your denial, in anycase you've probebly forgotten the Mitsubishi FTO, 3000, Nissan silvia S15, Honda S2000 and the AutoBacs garaiya.

mental capacity...
now im gonna make u eat your words :D
#1
i said:
in some aspects i would say jap cars are ahead but in most cases like SUPERCARS.
NO
japan has what?
NSX-R
& if u qualify these as supercars:
rx8
sti
evo
350z/g35/skyline35
s2000
then us has: notice supercars:
saleen s7
ford gt (WAY BETTER THEN THE NSX-R the only current production"supercar" in Japan)
than the affordable ones:
(yea your right the z06 & srt-10 arent affordable, but the argument is about supercars no price.)
pontiac gto
srt-10
z06
svt cobra
then u said:
its hard fo rthem to accept they all think its underpowered,
pontiac gto
srt-10
z06
svt cobra

HAHAHA u call these supercars but don't qualify < (wtf does this mean???)
rx8
sti
evo
350z/g35/skyline35
s2000
...as super cars i sense a huge load of bias
and Sallen S7, Tommy Kaira ZZII, now thats a race i'd really love to see[/u]
i never called the:
rx8
sti
evo
350z....
s2000 supercars
and remember i said IF U QUALIFY, cuz of the g35 coupe being a skyline in japan some people would consider it a "supercar"
so thats another reason ill call u a retard thlam :(
#2
then i said:
read my post again retard i didnt qualify the rx8,sti,evo, and all the other jap cars mentioned as supercars, AS WITH the z06,srt-10,svt cobra.
THINK, the cars i stated are the ones being sold brand new '03 models and beyond
too bad the ZZII hasnt been tested yet and its been a concept for as long as the pagani
if its not in Road & Track, OR hasnt been tested by any company EXCEPT ITSELF i dont consider it a REAL CAR.
talk about me being biased i am FROM AMERICA i like to SOMEWHAT SUPPORT WHAT WE MAKE, yes yes they have toyota/nissan/etc plants here too,
but i still like FORD, CHRYSLER, GM.
face it the only worthy car OF the SUPERCAR name is the NSX-R
& i never underestimated this car, it almost beat a murciealgo in a tight track
then your said:
u've placed
pontiac gto same price as a damn evo/sti $30,000
srt-10
z06
svt cobra same price as a damn evo/sti $30,000
as AFFORDABLE supercars maybe you should read your own posts before passing judgement on someones mental capacity RETARD

now to put a nail in your coffin:
your last post is what makes the retard in you come out :)
no sorry u didn't make me look like a retard, what i remember u from is when u called me biased towards Japanese cars and i am not. From what i've read the Skyline is faster then the Carrera around nurburgring. Take an R34 remove the dam limiter and the skyline can beat a 911 turbo, ok maybe it can't beat a 911 turbo, but thats a really small maybe. It can keep up really well with it, if you want actual performance figures of the R34 and Carerra look them up yourself!. How odd of you to finally put the GTO, Cobra, G35 coupe, sti and evo into your supercar category even with your denial, in anycase you've probebly forgotten the Mitsubishi FTO, 3000, Nissan silvia S15, Honda S2000 and the AutoBacs garaiya.
#1 i put the GTO in my first post in this thread MUTHA ****ER (read #2 to FULLY UNDERSTAND)
#2 since WHEN did i say the GTO, cobra. g35 coupe... into a supercar category???
i said if u qualify them, THATS WHY I DIDNT SAY IF U QUALIFY THEM in the 2nd part when i started naming American cars... AHHAH im in denial, DAMN I LOVE MAKING PEOPLE LIKE U FEEL STOOPID YES STOOPID not STU, but STOO in your case. THLAM
#3 FTO, 3000 GT, Silvia s15.. HAHAHA were talking about cars still in production
isnt this Thread about Japan getting ahead of US?
dont make me pull out old cars that US made that can spank your FTO, 3000 GT ETC.
and they are almost 40 years old...
#4 FOR THE LAST GOD DAMN TIME the ZZII or autobacs whatever hasnt even been made a public car yet, its not even in production, IT HASNT EVEN BEEN TESTED by ANYONE except ITSELF (autobacs)
whats funny is if this car is SOOO powerful and awsome why havent they made it public??
WHY THE **** is it when i typed: AutoBacs garaiya in yahoo search i only got Japanese WEBSITES?

omfg 1mic....... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

be sure to read all of it, if u dont understand READ IT OVER, it cant get any simliper then how i said it.
so i did some 5 minute research even from that i found that the porsche as stated before runs a faster lap time the the almighty r34
20,832 km 8,28 = 147 km/h Porsche 911 Cabrio 993 285 ps, 1998/1999.
20,832 km 8,29 = 147 km/h Nissan Skyline GTR 276 hp, 1998/1999
and if thats not enough for you thlam:
i did a comparison of the porsche '99 cabrio and the skyline '99 r34

Performance:............'99 cabrio ...................vs........... '99 r34
Top Speed ...........280.0 kph / 174.0 mph......vs........249.4 kph / 155.0 mph
0 - ¼ mile: ...........13.4 seconds ...................vs....... 13.7 seconds
0 - 60 mph: ............4.8 seconds ...................vs.......5.2 seconds
0 - 100 mph: .........11.9 seconds ...................vs.......13.0 seconds
Lateral Acceleration:... 0.91g .......................vs........0.89g
EPA City/Hwy:..........19 / 32 mpg ..................vs.......Combined 22.8 mpg
the funny part was the wieght difference, i dont even wana say it..

WOW 1Mic told him!

1mic, do you have a life? and btw Blue Cam.. is that all you had to say? go team! wow.. im dissapointed. Anyway.. is the cabrio american? NO. AND you did not include prices.. they could be way off.

1mic, do you have a life? and btw Blue Cam.. is that all you had to say?

Yes it was.

All right ENOUGH IS ENOUGH... look at these comparisons :)

Group 1: American:
2003 Pontiac Sunfire:
1/4 mile: 16.3 Price: 19,190 EPA City: 24 mpg
Pontiac Grand Prix GTP Comp G:
1/4 mle: 15.0 Price: 30,370 EPA City: 20 mpg
Dodge SRT-4 BEST AMERICAN DEAL nothing matches at price:
1/4 mile: 14.1 Price: 19,995 EPA City: 22 mpg
Dodge Stratus R/T:
1/4 mile: 15.8 Price: 23.985 EPA City: 20 mpg
Dodge Viper SRT-10:
1/4 mile: 12.1 Price: 85,109 EPA City: 12 mpg
Ford SVT Focus:
price: 21,3950 1/4 mile: 15.9 EPA City: 21 mpg
Ford SVT Cobra:
price: 34,750 1/4 mile: 12.9 EPA City: 16 mpg
Chevrolet Corvette 2001:
price: 54,239 1/4 mile: 13.1 EPA City: 19 mpg
Chrysler Crossfire:
price: 34,495 1/4 mile: 14.8 EPA City: 18 mpg

European:
Audi A4 3.0 Cabriolet matches Pontiac Sunfire in performance:
price: 44,385 1/4 mile: 15.9 EPA City: 20 mpg
Audi A6L 2.7T Quattro matches Pontiac Grand Prix in performance:
price: 44,835 1/4 mile: 15.0 EPA City: 18 mpg
Audi A8L 4.2 Quattro matches Crossfire in performance:
price: 74,090 1/4 mile: 14.8 EPA City: 17 mpg
BMW Z4 3.0i matches Dodge SRT-4 in performance:
price: 45,320 1/4 mile: 14.0 EPA City: 21 mpg
BMW 330i with performance package loses to SRT-4:
price: 40,095 1/4 mile: 14.3 EPA City: 21 mpg
Ferrari 360 Spider F1 loses to Corvette:
price: 176,512 1/4 mile: 13.2 EPA City: 10 mpg
Jaguar XJR barely beats SRT-4:
price: 76,445 1/4 mile: 13.9 EPA City: 17 mpg
Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa matches to Corvette:
price: 93,298 1/4 mile: 13.2 EPA City: 11 mpg
Mercedes-Benz C230 Kompressor barely beats Sunfire:
price: 27,860 1/4 mile: 16.0 EPA City: 21 mpg
Mercedes-Benz S500 4MATIC barely beats Crossfire:
price: 90,820 1/4 mile: 14.6 EPA City: 16 mpg
Mercedes-Benz CLK500 barely loses to SRT-4:
price: 59,122 1/4 mile: 14.2 EPA City: 17 mpg
Mini Cooper S one of the best European deals:
price: 24,000 1/4 mile: 15.5 EPA City: 24 mpg
Porsche 911 Carrera barely beats SRT-4:
price: 85,934 1/4 mile: 14.0 EPA City: 16 mpg
Porsche 911 Turbo barely loses to SRT-10:
price: 118,535 1/4 mile: 12.3 EPA City: 15 mpg
Volkswaggen GTI 1.8T BEST EUROPEAN DEAL:
price: 22,000 1/4 mile: 15.3 EPA City: 24 mpg

Ok now Asian:
Honda Accord Coupe EX V-6 barely beats Crossfire loses to SRT-4:
price: 28,360 1/4 mile: 14.5 EPA City: 20 mpg
Honda Civic LX loses to EVERYTHING LISTED:
price: 15,909 1/4 mile: 17.2 EPA City: 33 mpg
Honda S2000 matches SRT-4:
price: 33,060 1/4 mile: 14.1 EPA City: 20 mpg
Hyundai Tiburon GT V-6 barely beats Focus, loses to SRT-4:
price: 19,344 1/4 mile: 15.6 EPA City: 18 mpg
Infinity G35 Coupe matches to SRT-4:
price: 37,465 1/4 mile: 14.2 EPA City: 20 mpg
Lexus ES300 matches Sunfire:
price: 38,665 1/4 mile: 16.2 EPA City: 21 mpg
Mazda MX-5 Miata matches Sunfire:
price: 22,685 1/4 mile: 16.3 EPA City: 23 mpg
Mazda RX-8 loses badly to SRT-4:
price: 28,300 1/4 mile: 14.5 EPA City: 18 mpg
Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS loses badly to Grand Prix:
price: 26,532 1/4 mile: 15.2 EPA City: 21 mpg
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution loses to Mustang but nothing beats it at price and under:
price: 30,062 1/4 mile: 13.6 EPA City: 18 mpg
Nissan 350Z Touring loses to SRT-4:
price: 38,000 1/4 mile: 14.3 EPA City: 20 mpg
Toyota Celica GTS gets pants beat off by SRT-4:
price: 24,731 1/4 mile: 15.6 EPA City: 23 mpg
Toyota MR2 Spyder SMT matches Sunfire:
price: 25,726 1/4 mile: 16.2 EPA City: 25 mpg
Subaru Impreza WRX Sti unmatched by competition as for bang for buck best Japanese Deal:
price: 31,520 1/4 mile: 13.2 EPA City: 18 mpg

And there you have it. With every European car, I was able to find an American car that beat it or tied it for a lower price. Same for all Japanese except Impreza and Evo :)

And btw Roger and Me is pretty funny :)

1mic, do you have a life? and btw Blue Cam.. is that all you had to say? go team! wow.. im dissapointed. Anyway.. is the cabrio american? NO. AND you did not include prices.. they could be way off.
i did all this in 1 hour stupid ass
talk about no life u have a lot of posts in just 1 month.
:)

be sure to read all of it, if u dont understand READ IT OVER, it cant get any simliper then how i said it.
so i did some 5 minute research even from that i found that the porsche as stated before runs a faster lap time the the almighty r34
20,832 km 8,28 = 147 km/h Porsche 911 Cabrio 993 285 ps, 1998/1999.
20,832 km 8,29 = 147 km/h Nissan Skyline GTR 276 hp, 1998/1999
and if thats not enough for you thlam:
i did a comparison of the porsche '99 cabrio and the skyline '99 r34

Performance:............'99 cabrio ...................vs........... '99 r34
Top Speed ...........280.0 kph / 174.0 mph......vs........249.4 kph / 155.0 mph
0 - ¼ mile: ...........13.4 seconds ...................vs....... 13.7 seconds
0 - 60 mph: ............4.8 seconds ...................vs.......5.2 seconds
0 - 100 mph: .........11.9 seconds ...................vs.......13.0 seconds
Lateral Acceleration:... 0.91g .......................vs........0.89g
EPA City/Hwy:..........19 / 32 mpg ..................vs.......Combined 22.8 mpg
the funny part was the wieght difference, i dont even wana say it..



155 with speed limiter, theoretical top speed in 5th gear not 6th as about 162mph, its 0-60 in 4.7 not 5.2..... 1mic i'm glad you wasted all your itme copy& pasting; at least you found something better to do with your life, and look at this thats with an R33
Nissan Skyline GTR .............. 8 min 28.1 sec
Porsche 911 Carrera ............. 8 min 38.4 sec

"NO
japan has what?
NSX-R
& if u qualify these as supercars:
rx8 This is more of a sarcastic statement then an actual remark but sorry i
sti don't qualify them as supercars
evo
350z/g35/skyline35
s2000"'

lastly was the whole hour of reading everysingle post i've put on this website, trying to disect every word wrote productive for you? I find it very enjoyable seeing you waste your time for nothing


#2 since WHEN did i say the GTO, cobra. g35 coupe... into a supercar category???
i said if u qualify them, THATS WHY I DIDNT SAY IF U QUALIFY THEM in the 2nd part when i started naming American cars... AHHAH im in denial, DAMN I LOVE MAKING PEOPLE LIKE U FEEL STOOPID YES STOOPID not STU, but STOO in your case. THLAM I find that very funny you havne't made anybody feel stupid other then yourself,you are wasting all your god given time for absolutely nothing

thlam i enjoyed making u look like an idiot

ha u wish i read every stupid post you made, i only took in to consideration the things u said on this thread, if i mentioned the funny ones in 996 turbo vs skyline, then everyone in this forum would make fun of you.
and as for wasting time, i just got out of work so it really doesnt matter to you what i do
another fanboy bites the dust, all u did was quote what i said and not have an answer for your stupidity, check the times again there are TWO porsches.
i was wrong on stating "even a normal carrera can beat your r34", but the cabrio sure can beat it, maybes cuz its heavy as hell. but then again u said its a cabrio. yea twin turbo vs NA I6
back to the American cars falling behind Japanese cars...
in the Supercar Category
NO

if i was to take sides, i'd stick with raith.... lol :lol:

he's right about the speed limiter; plus there's a 1 liter difference in displacement; nissan got 50 extra horses out of it's skyline by adding one-fifth of the difference between the displacement of the porsche and the skyline. hmmm....... if i did the math right; porsche should have like 250 more HP than the skyline?

hmmmm........ :roll:

if i was to take sides, i'd stick with raith.... lol :lol:

he's right about the speed limiter; plus there's a 1 liter difference in displacement; nissan got 50 extra horses out of it's skyline by adding one-fifth of the difference between the displacement of the porsche and the skyline. hmmm....... if i did the math right; porsche should have like 250 more HP than the skyline?

hmmmm........ :roll:


Well you can have the stupid Skyline while the rest of the world takes the Porsche.
Comparing a Skyline to a 911 Turbo is SOOOOOOOOO stupid.

uh, oh, is this thread going to go on for 10 pages like the "American 'power vs ALL" one? cause that's just annoying as hell :twisted:

*points to my post* that's where you can find some STATS!!! The SRT-4 seems to beat everything in its price range and most over 10,000 above!

1mic.. settle down.. If you came to this forum to call people names and piss people off... I suggest that you leave. Bluecam... one question.. what is your country of choice? You chose american over german.. then the opposite... then american over japanese.. I dont get it.. pick a country!!! lol :twisted: Why is it so hard to compare a skyline and a porsche? do you know how the skyline drivetrain works? It literally changes where the power goes to the wheels automatically. Once the wheels starts to slip or it goes over a certain RPM the power starts moving forward.. Not all the way.. Just as much as necessary. until it gains control again and goes back to RWD. I know this is available on some cars but it was available on the R33 and some R32 models.. before any other car. And thats not all the skyline has to offer..

Bluecam... one question.. what is your country of choice? You chose american over german.. then the opposite... then american over japanese.. I dont get it.. pick a country!!! lol .

I don't pick a country, thats stupid. I pick the best cars no matter where they come from.

I don't pick a country, thats stupid. I pick the best cars no matter where they come from.

thank you very much! someone needed to say it! I'd rather hang and talk with someone interested in good cars and not stupid about one countries offerings. I think there needs to be the halting of the "(anywhere! anyone!) has the best cars, the rest are crap" thats so ignorant! :mrgreen: what say you all?

1mic.. settle down.. If you came to this forum to call people names and piss people off... I suggest that you leave.
tell me to leave when u just got here..
HAHA
dont ask me if i have a life, u've been here for 17 days and almost have more posts then me.
:roll:
and what the r34 has to offer isnt worth $100,000.
a porsche gt3 offers 380hp from a NA I6 and top speed of 190mph and thats in california, one of the strictest places on emission laws.
a SRT-10 is around 80,000 THATS 20 LESS than your r34. even if u take out the restrictor, its still 100hp less than 500hp the v10 pushes.
a mercedes benz e55 amg makes about 469hp and costs about $78,000, u want straight line performance this can woop the POS skyline, and it can seat 4 COMFORTABLY.
theres too much to mention.
but i would take an NSX, the car i use to hate over this OVER RATED junk.

I don't pick a country, thats stupid. I pick the best cars no matter where they come from.

thank you very much! someone needed to say it! I'd rather hang and talk with someone interested in good cars and not stupid about one countries offerings. I think there needs to be the halting of the "(anywhere! anyone!) has the best cars, the rest are crap" thats so ignorant! :mrgreen: what say you all?

Thats what I am saying.....
But I HATE when someone diss's a car JUST becuase of where it comes from, thats ignorant.

oh! sorry, I agree with that as well. I kinda think certain things and neglect to actually put them down and it turns out that I'm retarded and unclear :lol:

heh. i use to hate the nsx cuz i too thought it was an underpowered overpriced pos.
now i praise it for its track performance v6 mid-engine setup, and the old look has definatly grown on me: :twisted:

http://esilva.nb.net/Automotive_Cars/Honda-red_nsx.jpg

i'm guessing you're trying to put your post in another forum topic

All right ENOUGH IS ENOUGH... look at these comparisons :)

Group 1: American:
2003 Pontiac Sunfire:
1/4 mile: 16.3 Price: 19,190 EPA City: 24 mpg
Pontiac Grand Prix GTP Comp G:
1/4 mle: 15.0 Price: 30,370 EPA City: 20 mpg
Dodge SRT-4 BEST AMERICAN DEAL nothing matches at price:
1/4 mile: 14.1 Price: 19,995 EPA City: 22 mpg
Dodge Stratus R/T:
1/4 mile: 15.8 Price: 23.985 EPA City: 20 mpg
Dodge Viper SRT-10:
1/4 mile: 12.1 Price: 85,109 EPA City: 12 mpg
Ford SVT Focus:
price: 21,3950 1/4 mile: 15.9 EPA City: 21 mpg
Ford SVT Cobra:
price: 34,750 1/4 mile: 12.9 EPA City: 16 mpg
Chevrolet Corvette 2001:
price: 54,239 1/4 mile: 13.1 EPA City: 19 mpg
Chrysler Crossfire:
price: 34,495 1/4 mile: 14.8 EPA City: 18 mpg

European:
Audi A4 3.0 Cabriolet matches Pontiac Sunfire in performance:
price: 44,385 1/4 mile: 15.9 EPA City: 20 mpg
Audi A6L 2.7T Quattro matches Pontiac Grand Prix in performance:
price: 44,835 1/4 mile: 15.0 EPA City: 18 mpg
Audi A8L 4.2 Quattro matches Crossfire in performance:
price: 74,090 1/4 mile: 14.8 EPA City: 17 mpg
BMW Z4 3.0i matches Dodge SRT-4 in performance:
price: 45,320 1/4 mile: 14.0 EPA City: 21 mpg
BMW 330i with performance package loses to SRT-4:
price: 40,095 1/4 mile: 14.3 EPA City: 21 mpg
Ferrari 360 Spider F1 loses to Corvette:
price: 176,512 1/4 mile: 13.2 EPA City: 10 mpg
Jaguar XJR barely beats SRT-4:
price: 76,445 1/4 mile: 13.9 EPA City: 17 mpg
Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa matches to Corvette:
price: 93,298 1/4 mile: 13.2 EPA City: 11 mpg
Mercedes-Benz C230 Kompressor barely beats Sunfire:
price: 27,860 1/4 mile: 16.0 EPA City: 21 mpg
Mercedes-Benz S500 4MATIC barely beats Crossfire:
price: 90,820 1/4 mile: 14.6 EPA City: 16 mpg
Mercedes-Benz CLK500 barely loses to SRT-4:
price: 59,122 1/4 mile: 14.2 EPA City: 17 mpg
Mini Cooper S one of the best European deals:
price: 24,000 1/4 mile: 15.5 EPA City: 24 mpg
Porsche 911 Carrera barely beats SRT-4:
price: 85,934 1/4 mile: 14.0 EPA City: 16 mpg
Porsche 911 Turbo barely loses to SRT-10:
price: 118,535 1/4 mile: 12.3 EPA City: 15 mpg
Volkswaggen GTI 1.8T BEST EUROPEAN DEAL:
price: 22,000 1/4 mile: 15.3 EPA City: 24 mpg

Ok now Asian:
Honda Accord Coupe EX V-6 barely beats Crossfire loses to SRT-4:
price: 28,360 1/4 mile: 14.5 EPA City: 20 mpg
Honda Civic LX loses to EVERYTHING LISTED:
price: 15,909 1/4 mile: 17.2 EPA City: 33 mpg
Honda S2000 matches SRT-4:
price: 33,060 1/4 mile: 14.1 EPA City: 20 mpg
Hyundai Tiburon GT V-6 barely beats Focus, loses to SRT-4:
price: 19,344 1/4 mile: 15.6 EPA City: 18 mpg
Infinity G35 Coupe matches to SRT-4:
price: 37,465 1/4 mile: 14.2 EPA City: 20 mpg
Lexus ES300 matches Sunfire:
price: 38,665 1/4 mile: 16.2 EPA City: 21 mpg
Mazda MX-5 Miata matches Sunfire:
price: 22,685 1/4 mile: 16.3 EPA City: 23 mpg
Mazda RX-8 loses badly to SRT-4:
price: 28,300 1/4 mile: 14.5 EPA City: 18 mpg
Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS loses badly to Grand Prix:
price: 26,532 1/4 mile: 15.2 EPA City: 21 mpg
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution loses to Mustang but nothing beats it at price and under:
price: 30,062 1/4 mile: 13.6 EPA City: 18 mpg
Nissan 350Z Touring loses to SRT-4:
price: 38,000 1/4 mile: 14.3 EPA City: 20 mpg
Toyota Celica GTS gets pants beat off by SRT-4:
price: 24,731 1/4 mile: 15.6 EPA City: 23 mpg
Toyota MR2 Spyder SMT matches Sunfire:
price: 25,726 1/4 mile: 16.2 EPA City: 25 mpg
Subaru Impreza WRX Sti unmatched by competition as for bang for buck best Japanese Deal:
price: 31,520 1/4 mile: 13.2 EPA City: 18 mpg

And there you have it. With every European car, I was able to find an American car that beat it or tied it for a lower price. Same for all Japanese except Impreza and Evo :)

And btw Roger and Me is pretty funny :)
While pretty much everything you said was true, you were comparing completely different cars. MR2 versus Sunfire? Are you insane! Most of your other comparisons are just as stupid. And a 911 Carrera wouldn't almost lose to an SRT-4. It would be somewhat close though. And 360 versus Corvette? Any 360 can beat a regular 'Vette and the Modena can beat the Z06. And a Lancer Evo versus a SVT Mustang would be very close, I would bet on the Lancer though.

i'm guessing you're trying to put your post in another forum topic
talking to me???
if you are what are u talking about:?:

I don't pick a country, thats stupid. I pick the best cars no matter where they come from.

thank you very much! someone needed to say it! I'd rather hang and talk with someone interested in good cars and not stupid about one countries offerings. I think there needs to be the halting of the "(anywhere! anyone!) has the best cars, the rest are crap" thats so ignorant! :mrgreen: what say you all?

Thats what I am saying.....
But I HATE when someone diss's a car JUST becuase of where it comes from, thats ignorant.

I dont pick a car just because of a country. Im in all the different ones.. im not talking about that. Im just saying that, in a post like this, japan vs. america you should pick a country to side with and state a reason, instead of being the "disinterested reporter" and not giving a definent reason. When you don't pick a country, you just end the post with an uncertain answer. Thats what i mean. BTW, 1mic, all of my posts are short, which is why I have so many, and I would appreciate if you stopped commenting on how many I have.

Isn't there supposed to be a new cavalier coming out soon? its got somewhere in the 200hp range..
If Ford and GM aren't careful honda and acura (is lexus american?) and many other makers will have SUV's aswell. In San Antonio Toyota is really interested in gaining the trust of the ranchers who put their trucks to the farthest extent of punishment everyday. The Titan is going to have 300 hp and its pretty mean lookin. If Toyota can gain the trust of the people that actually put the trucks to use, everyone else would want them too. If you have ever been to Texas then you've seen how many texas edition trucks there are out there. I can't remember how much American companies gain in sales in Texas but it was some insane amount. Toyota wants Texans to buy Toyotas and not fords or chevys so America could be in real trouble because japan already has most of the sedan market.

Personally, I don't care if Toyota steals sales from Ford and Chevy... Toyota manufactures a good number of their vehicles in the United States, employing Americans to build them... Ford and Chevy, on the other hand, manufacture a large number of their cars in Mexico, where they can avoid things like U.S. taxes and U.S. labor standards and minimum wage requirements, etc. etc. I live less than 15 miles from a Honda plant that probably employs at least 1,000 Americans... supposedly there is a fairly large Toyota plant nearby as well... and as far as I know, there isn't a single Ford or Chevy plant in the state. I'd have no problem with buying an American car if I knew it was actually built in America and might actually last beyond 75,000 miles.

I don't pick a country, thats stupid. I pick the best cars no matter where they come from.

thank you very much! someone needed to say it! I'd rather hang and talk with someone interested in good cars and not stupid about one countries offerings. I think there needs to be the halting of the "(anywhere! anyone!) has the best cars, the rest are crap" thats so ignorant! :mrgreen: what say you all?

Thats what I am saying.....
But I HATE when someone diss's a car JUST becuase of where it comes from, thats ignorant.

I agree... though I am partial to Japanese makes, I can definitely respect a number of European and American makes as well. I may diss a car for its particular make (i.e. Kia, Peugot, Ford, Volkswagon), but it's not because of where they come from, it's because I don't like those particular brands. I have respect for Nissan, Mazda, Toyota, Honda, Lambourghini, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lotus, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Ferrari, Dodge, Chevrolet, etc. -- I don't really favor one country over another... every make has its strengths and weaknesses, and each one has to be evaluated on an individual basis. Oh, and sorry if anyone here is partial to Kias, Puegots, Fords, or Volkswagons -- no disrespect intended :)

1mic.. settle down.. If you came to this forum to call people names and piss people off... I suggest that you leave.
tell me to leave when u just got here..
HAHA
dont ask me if i have a life, u've been here for 17 days and almost have more posts then me.
:roll:
and what the r34 has to offer isnt worth $100,000.
a porsche gt3 offers 380hp from a NA I6 and top speed of 190mph and thats in california, one of the strictest places on emission laws.
a SRT-10 is around 80,000 THATS 20 LESS than your r34. even if u take out the restrictor, its still 100hp less than 500hp the v10 pushes.
a mercedes benz e55 amg makes about 469hp and costs about $78,000, u want straight line performance this can woop the POS skyline, and it can seat 4 COMFORTABLY.
theres too much to mention.
but i would take an NSX, the car i use to hate over this OVER RATED junk.

What does a four seater have anything to do with it? Four seaters arent bigger than two seaters by much IF ANY. The weight isnt that bad either. Im not a skyline fan, but saying a four seater is better than the two seater really doesnt hold any points in argument. As most can tell, four doors/four seater cars are proving to be just as fast, not to mention a relief on insurance. Plus there have been a lot of good four seaters- the dodge charger is a four seater; that may be a little off comparison, but when i think powerful, i think dodge charger.

I didnt read the whole post about this topic, but plz bear with me: Someone said the R34 is worth a 100k?