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Umberto Cervino
Aug 13, 2005, 4:33 PM
You all seem to be very knowledgeable about everything related to cars and motorsports. Letīs see if it is true:

(1) Only driver to achieve a Grand Slam (F1 Champion, Le Mans and Indy
500 Winner)?
(2) Only F1 champion no to use his real last name?
(3) F1 champions born in a country different from their nationality?

!ChEeKy GiRl!
Aug 13, 2005, 4:46 PM
1)Graham Hill
2)Aryton Senna
3)??

Mopar68
Aug 13, 2005, 5:44 PM
I'm not sure I understand this too well.

1) Mario Andretti? I don't think Jacky Icyx was in the indy 500. Dan Gurney maybe?

2) Can you specify the question?

3) Same as above.

CarRocker
Aug 13, 2005, 6:09 PM
1) Graham Hill(F1 champion in 1962, 1968. Le Mans in 1972. Indy in 1966)

2) Ayrton Senna (da Silva is his real last name)

3) Mario Andretti. Born in Italy, American nationality
Jochen Rindt. Born in Germany, Austrian nationality
Jody Scheckter. Born in England, South African nationality

Umberto Cervino
Aug 13, 2005, 7:07 PM
Not bad!

(1) Of course, Graham Hill.
(2) Nelson (Souto Maior) Piquet. When he started racing karts je used his motherīs surname not to be recognized. Ayrtonīs name was indeed Ayrton Senna Da Silva.
(3) Andretti, wright. Rindt, wright. Schekter, wrong. He was actually born in East London, South Africa. The other driver is Keke Rosberg, born in Sweden, Finn nationality.

Umberto Cervino
Aug 13, 2005, 7:09 PM
Ickx and Gurney were not F1 champions and neither won Indy 500 . Both are -of course- Le Mans winners. Gurney with the legendary GT40 with A.J. Foyt as co-driver.
Until 2004 Ickx shared the record for most wins (6) at Le Mans. He was beaten by Tom Kristensen with 7 wins.

Umberto Cervino
Aug 13, 2005, 8:08 PM
Presently, Jacques Villeneuve is the only active driver in a position to achieve a Grand Slam. He is a past winner of the ī95 Indy 500 and was ī97 F1 World Champion.
The other living ones: Andretti and Fittipaldi, are probably to old to attempt Le Mans, which is the race they missed. Foyt, on the other hand, never even bothered to race F1.

CarRocker
Aug 14, 2005, 7:49 AM
I read once that Scheckter was born in East London, but it didn't said South Africa(or any other country). So I thought, not knowing there is an East London in South-Africa, that he was born in England.

Ah well, I was pretty close with my answers:)

Mopar68
Aug 14, 2005, 2:58 PM
What about David Coulthard and Jacki Stewart. They were born in Scotland, but they represent England. Or do they represent Great Britian and Scotland is just part of that name? I don't know all that much about F1. I'm trying to learn as much as possible now.

Umberto Cervino
Aug 14, 2005, 3:06 PM
Legally they are both british. They are subjects of the United Kingdom which includes England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. So in the case of Sir Jackie Stewart and Jim Clark no matter they were born in Scotland they are in fact UK citizens. Coulthard does not count for this Trivia because he has not been world champion.

Umberto Cervino
Aug 14, 2005, 3:09 PM
I read once that Scheckter was born in East London, but it didn't said South Africa(or any other country). So I thought, not knowing there is an East London in South-Africa, that he was born in England.

Ah well, I was pretty close with my answers:)

Indeed you were. Congratulations.

Mopar68
Aug 16, 2005, 1:52 AM
Legally they are both british. They are subjects of the United Kingdom which includes England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. So in the case of Sir Jackie Stewart and Jim Clark no matter they were born in Scotland they are in fact UK citizens. Coulthard does not count for this Trivia because he has not been world champion.

When and by whom was Jackie Stewart knighted? And call me crazy, but I always thought David Coulthard was a good driver. Since he came to the sport in '94, I think he's been a key player. Infact (now you're really going to think I'm nuts), back in the day when he was with Mercedes-McLaren, I think he was just as good- if not beter- than Schumacher. Just an opinion. Back then I wasn't a big fan of formula 1, but from what I've read they were pretty close.

Umberto Cervino
Aug 16, 2005, 2:17 AM
Jackie Stewart was knighted by the only person with the power to grant that honor on a British subject: Queen Elizabeth II.
By the way, two other F1 drivers are knights: Sir Jack Brabham and Sir Stirling Moss, the best driver ever no to be World Champion.
Since we are discussing trivia, Jack Brabham is the only person in F1 to have been World Champion as a Driver (59, 60 & 66) and as a Constructor (66 & 67).

I agree with you, Coulthard is a great driver that simply was not lucky enough to be World Champion, first McLaren favored Hakkinen, and then Schumacher and Ferrari left no open space for anybody else. The true value of Coulthard is what he has done this season with Red Bullīs inferior equipment, much better than Irvine or Webber when the team was Jaguarīs.

SteveFX
Aug 16, 2005, 5:50 AM
By the way, welcome to SCF, UC. Great posts!

Check the archives for previous commentary on non-current racers. A few of us are aware that the universe existed before Schumi.

gkl880808
Aug 16, 2005, 6:14 AM
I'm not understand this too well.

CarRocker
Aug 16, 2005, 7:37 AM
I agree with you, Coulthard is a great driver that simply was not lucky enough to be World Champion, first McLaren favored Hakkinen, and then Schumacher and Ferrari left no open space for anybody else. The true value of Coulthard is what he has done this season with Red Bullīs inferior equipment, much better than Irvine or Webber when the team was Jaguarīs.

Coulthard is a great driver, but not a champion. He is in the same class as Fisichella, Trulli, Barrichello and some others. Great drivers, but they dont have that little extra(call it the x-factor if you want) to become a world champion. Alonso and Raikkonen do have that little extra.

But as you say, what he did with Red Bull this year, nothing but respect to him!

Mopar68
Aug 16, 2005, 12:07 PM
Coulthard is a great driver, but not a champion. He is in the same class as Fisichella, Trulli, Barrichello and some others. Great drivers, but they dont have that little extra(call it the x-factor if you want) to become a world champion. Alonso and Raikkonen do have that little extra.

But as you say, what he did with Red Bull this year, nothing but respect to him!

I don't think it's the X-factor really. I think these teams just want one really good driver and one good-but-not-as-good driver. Fisichella is good, but he's just not as fast as Alonso. Same with Barichello. I think Trulli could be a world champion. Not this season of course, but maybe in the 2006 season. He's got a great team, and he's shown that he can be a great driver.

And I don't care if red bull racing is doing terrible. They still have the coolest team ever with the coolest cars.

Cooper "s"
Aug 16, 2005, 3:26 PM
Red bull is not doing that bad, considering they had to pick up where Jaguar left off which was not good at all, Red Bull has done an excelent job this season.

Mopar68
Aug 16, 2005, 7:49 PM
No better than jaguar did.

Brian Brogan
Aug 16, 2005, 11:48 PM
No better than jaguar did.

In relative terms Red Bull has performed better than Jaguar.
Jaguar in 5 seasons accumulated 49 points (that is 9.8 points per season)and the best results were 2 x 3rd places.
Red Bull in only 1 season has accumulated 24 points and 2 x 4th places.

Mopar68
Aug 16, 2005, 11:51 PM
In relative terms Red Bull has performed better than Jaguar.
Jaguar in 5 seasons accumulated 49 points (that is 9.8 points per season)and the best results were 2 x 3rd places.
Red Bull in only 1 season has accumulated 24 points and 2 x 4th places.

I suppose so. I think they're still pretty even. Maybe they just have the right drivers. I mean, how much beter could they possibly be? They're basically the same team, right? I'm not sure, so asking is the best way to gain more knowledge.

Umberto Cervino
Aug 17, 2005, 12:05 AM
By the way, welcome to SCF, UC. Great posts!

Check the archives for previous commentary on non-current racers. A few of us are aware that the universe existed before Schumi.

Thank you SteveFX...I am a college professor of history and I am an enthusiastic motorsports fan, so what more natural than combine the two. How very true...there was motorsports before Schumacher...and it was exciting: in F1, sportscars, rallying and motorcycles.

CarRocker
Aug 17, 2005, 6:01 AM
Thank you SteveFX...I am a college professor of history and I am an enthusiastic motorsports fan, so what more natural than combine the two....

.... And post everything you know on SCF:D ;)

Me too hope you stay here. I think I can learn alot more about F1 from you.;)

Umberto Cervino
Aug 17, 2005, 3:48 PM
Thank you guys.
Iīll keep posting...just tell when it is too much, or to boring.
Soon Iīll post another Trivia.