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Umberto Cervino
Aug 21, 2005, 3:44 AM
Very frequently TV commentators say that Ferrari is the only team to have participated in all F1 valid races since 1950. Is it true?
Who won the first ever F1 race? His car? Where?
What is peculiar about the F1 champions of the period 1958-1969 that has not happened again?

CarRocker
Aug 21, 2005, 7:53 AM
1. Doesnt this have something to do with the boycotted races in the 70's. I remember reading something in an issue of the Formule 1 magazines. I'd look it up, if I didn't have so many issues.
2. Nino Farina, Alfa Romeo 158, Silverstone, GB
3. The only thing I could possibly say that they are all from an english speaking country(GB, USA, AUS, NZ)

Umberto Cervino
Aug 21, 2005, 3:48 PM
1. Doesnt this have something to do with the boycotted races in the 70's. I remember reading something in an issue of the Formule 1 magazines. I'd look it up, if I didn't have so many issues.
2. Nino Farina, Alfa Romeo 158, Silverstone, GB
3. The only thing I could possibly say that they are all from an english speaking country(GB, USA, AUS, NZ)

1. NO. Since 1950 Ferrari did not attend 13 valid races: 1950 British GP at Silverstone, 1961 US GP at Watkins Glen, and the 11 Indy 500īs raced between 1950 and 1960 which, then, were part of the official F1 calendar.
3. NO. F1 (as a formula) was created in 1948, the first race was in Pau (for that historic reason no matter the formula any race at Pau deserves the definition of Grand Prix) and was won by Alberto Ascari in a Maserati 4CL. The valid races toward a championship started in 1950 at Silverstone.
3. YES. Amazingly during that period of 12 years all F1 champions were English-speaking: Hawthorn, Brabham, P.Hill, G.Hill, Clark, Surtees, Hulme and Stewart.

Mopar68
Aug 21, 2005, 8:24 PM
Man, this crap is way over my head. Write a book about this stuff, and I'll be the first one to buy it.

SteveFX
Aug 21, 2005, 10:32 PM
PROMOTE INCREASED KNOWLEDGE.

#1 would have gotten a "doubt it."

#2 got an NFI.

#3 made me think of death first: Clark, McLaren, and Hill. Then I remembered Phil and Jackie. I was clueless. Don't forget Jochen Rindt.

Umberto Cervino
Aug 21, 2005, 11:37 PM
Man, this crap is way over my head. Write a book about this stuff, and I'll be the first one to buy it.

You donīt need to buy a book, you can use the same source as I do. It is the tip at your fingertips, itīs called Internet.

Umberto Cervino
Aug 21, 2005, 11:39 PM
PROMOTE INCREASED KNOWLEDGE.

#1 would have gotten a "doubt it."

#2 got an NFI.

#3 made me think of death first: Clark, McLaren, and Hill. Then I remembered Phil and Jackie. I was clueless. Don't forget Jochen Rindt.

McLaren was never a world champion. And, Rindt falls outside the period: he was posthumous champion in the 1970 season.

CarRocker
Aug 22, 2005, 7:12 AM
Mopar, I've got four sites where I learned alot from.

For stats:
http://www.f1-stats.de/en/ (somebody had way too much time on his/her hands)

For story's behind the stats:
http://www.grandprix.com/index.html

For news:
http://www.formula1.com (http://www.formula1.com/)
http://www.f1racing.net (http://www.f1racing.net/)

Mopar68
Aug 22, 2005, 7:58 PM
You donīt need to buy a book, you can use the same source as I do. It is the tip at your fingertips, itīs called Internet.

Is that a bool or something?

KoenigseggCC8
Aug 23, 2005, 1:00 AM
McLaren was never a world champion. And, Rindt falls outside the period: he was posthumous champion in the 1970 season.

That's very interesting actually. So is that one of the only times that a person that has died, won the Championship? If I get what you're saying correctly.... I'll have to use this bit of trivia on my friend from Malaysia... he loves F1 :cool:

Umberto Cervino
Aug 25, 2005, 10:49 PM
That's very interesting actually. So is that one of the only times that a person that has died, won the Championship? If I get what you're saying correctly.... I'll have to use this bit of trivia on my friend from Malaysia... he loves F1 :cool:

That is correct. In 1970 Jochen Rindt was killed in the practices for the Italian Grand Prix at Monza. Monza was the 10th of 13 races. Yet he won the title with a margin of 5 points over Jackie Ickx.
That -unfortunately- made Jochen Rindt (German born, Austrian nationality) the only posthumous F1 World Champion.
Let's hope that this is one statistic that will never be broken.

Mopar68
Aug 25, 2005, 10:56 PM
That is correct. In 1970 Jochen Rindt was killed in the practices for the Italian Grand Prix at Monza. Monza was the 10th of 13 races. Yet he won the title with a margin of 5 points over Jackie Ickx.
That -unfortunately- made Jochen Rindt (German born, Austrian nationality) the only posthumous F1 World Champion.
Let's hope that this is one statistic that will never be broken.

Ohhhh! I knew that one!

Umberto Cervino
Aug 27, 2005, 1:54 AM
Ohhhh! I knew that one!

I am positive you did!